Forum:Term to describe "regular" Sims

So, once upon a time, it was (apparently) decided that on the wiki, we wouldn't use the term 'human' to refer to "normal" Sims (i.e. Sims that are not an "occult" or other life state). I can't say exactly what the motivation for this was since I'm not sure where, if anywhere, a discussion of this exists.

I noticed today, however, that on Sim and the Simbio templates, that normal Sims are listed on the template as 'human.' I looked through the template code and it looks like it was all changed by Random Ranaun in December. He hasn't edited the wiki yet this year, and I don't really know what prompted him to change it in the first place. In this case, I'd rather not override what he did without figuring out whether or not we should.

So, how do we feel about this? When referring to non-"special" Sims, should we call them 'human' or 'Sim' or 'normal' or something else? --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 05:31, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
I think that 'Human' does not describe Sims, they are just Sims. So I go with Sim life state, not Human Joey.eyeball (talk) 05:34, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a note, RandomRanaun was on the IRC today - he may not be editing the wiki actively, but he's still here. I'd also rather have where we just refer to them as 'Sims'. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 05:37, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't really bother me, either way. As long as we stick to the category for "Normal" Sims. C.Syde65 (talk) 05:50, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should change it back to 'Sims' as that is what regular Sims are called, just 'Sims'. However, I could see what made RR change the term we currently use, but it doesn't necessarily mean we have to call Sims 'Humans'. Beds (parlare - da leggere ) 19:44, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

In my Sims games, "regular Sims" are not human. But "Sim" is a generic term, used to denote any electronic living thing. Zombies, vampires, fairies, dogs, cats, werewolves, witches, warlocks, etc. are all technically Sims. So it is a very confusing topic. We could just say "Normal", but that looks a bit weird. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 21:37, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

We have an article about Sim which describes a Sim as a "virtually simulated person." The practice seems to be to use the term 'Sim' as a sort of synonym for 'human' (though obviously, a simulated one) and, by extension, to not use the term 'Sim' to apply to zombies, vampires, etc. I think that's re-enforced by the fact that we do already have separate names for those life states; we don't call them 'Zombie Sims' or 'Vampire Sims' or 'Cat Sims'... we just call them by their life state. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 22:12, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

I think the first (only?) instance where the game uses "human" in terms of life state is in Supernatural, where the EP gives the ability to choose a life state in CAS. The normal state is called "human", but that's it. I think that's where RR got the idea from. I'd prefer if we call the non-occult Sims just "Sims", while if we need to name the state (as in  parameter in Sim), we should call it "Normal", not "Human".  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:28, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should stick to "Normal". That's what it's always been... it would bother me if it was anything otherwise. But what's been ticking me off recently, don't know if anyone else's noticed this, but since around the release of Supernatural, a lot of non-occult state Sims just have the "stage" parameter left blank. That really gets on my nerves, but it looks like most of it's been fixed. 19:54, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think that using "Sim" as a general term would be better than using "Human", as Sims technically aren't humans, even though they look like them! ~ Waikikamukow  ( Anyone wanna chat? ) 03:38, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'd stick with Humans. I realize they aren't that, but they're about as close as it is in game. "Normal" does sound weird, and Sims is used for all live states. And besides, I would go with whatever CAS says it is, which is, in this case, Humans. The Raven   -  Nevermore 23:22, February 22, 2014 (UTC)Slade81

I think we shoud call them "Human". Every life state is a sim when you think about it. Normal is just plain boring. The Sims is a simulated version of real life. You are human, You are not a ghost, zombie or a vampire (hopefully). Vampires, are NOT human at all. They are still sims, (in a way) They act different from normal sims. You don't have fangs. You don't come around biting people. Do you? Humans don't, in turn making normal sims, Human. StartUp talk 06:26, March 11, 2014 (UTC)