User talk:A morris

Disambiguation
Would it be an idea to change disambiguation pages into a setup as below, using 'Music' as an example:

'Music' redirect -> 'Music (disambiguation)' -> ...links to the disambiguations.

This would mean that only the clearly (disambiguation) marked pages would show up in Orphaned pages making it easier to spot 'real' orphaned pages as you would simply disregard the disambiguations. It would also mean that one could find disambiguation pages who are not lonely and change 'what links here' to link to the correct article.

Do you think this is a good idea? Duskey ( talk ) 06:19, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I think it is much clearer. Although I don't think we should redirect to disambiguation pages. Wikipedia suggests redirecting 'Music (disambiguation)' to 'Music', with 'Music' being the actual disambiguation page. Although, it wouldn't prevent users from linking to 'Music' accidentally, but it would be easier to find them and fix them. I'd rather have it redirect to a content article, but the decision to which article would have to be by consensus. --a_morris (talk) 20:19, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not following you. What would the purpose of 'Music (disambiguation)' be if 'Music' is the disambiguation article? Duskey ( talk ) 20:52, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually you shouldn't link to a disambiguation page, you should like to the specific page. A page should only link to the disambiguation page to notify users that there are other pages of a similar topic or title that they may be looking for instead. We would use 'Music (disambiguation)' for that purpose. That way if someone links to 'Music' without realizing it is a disambiguation page we can tell that the link needs to be directed to the specific page. --a_morris (talk) 20:58, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * So the fact that Music is now a disambiguation page (without the title) is temporary? Duskey ( talk ) 21:12, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose the order doesn't matter as long as 'Music (disambiguation)' is used as an intentional link to the disambiguation page. --a_morris (talk) 21:23, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm utterly lost :p Duskey ( talk ) 12:56, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

On the disambiguation and orphaned pages discussion, I'd like to argument that if you redirect from the main article (eg. Fish), to the disambiguation page (eg. Fish (disambiguation)), it is easy to disregard that page when it's orphaned. As an example I keep finding myself click on the worthington household and other disambiguation pages without the (disambiguation) suffix. If we fix all the links for all disambiguation pages one day, orphaned pages will be littered with articles like these, making it almost impossible to find new legitimate orphaned pages. In the example above, the redirect 'Fish' will still how up in the special disambig page if someone mistakingly links to it. Duskey ( talk ) 21:12, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then if we do structure it the other way (the way Wikipedia suggests), then neither will be orphans. i.e. pages with similar titles will soft redirect to the page with the (disambiguation) suffix and that article will hard redirect to the real disambiguation page. Once we clean up the mistakenly linked pages there will still be the hard redirect from the '(disambiguation)' page and only the redirect should show up in the special disamig page. --a_morris (talk) 00:37, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * And any pages with the (disambiguation) suffix that do show up in the orphaned list can be easily disregarded. --a_morris (talk) 00:44, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you show me this in an example using 'Fish' or something? I'm not sure I'm getting it. Duskey ( talk ) 03:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Families with the same name
Perhaps we should agree having the first family with the name keep the page and link to the new one through distinguish? This would eliminate the need for a disambiguation page, but it could still be created. Duskey ( talk ) 14:23, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can agree with that. What about Sims with the same name? --a_morris (talk) 19:58, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say the one which appears in a game first, some games come with Sims with the same name, maybe prioritize townies over NPCs? How would you structure it? Let's use the Kim family as an example: At the moment it's 'Kim family (Sims 2)', 'Kim family (Sims 3)' & 'Kim family' as the disambig. Personally I'd redirect 'Kim family' to 'Kim family (Sims 2)' and make sure Sims 2 & Sims 3 link to each other through distinguish links. This method makes sense to me, but it does seem like guidelines suggest otherwise. Duskey ( talk ) 21:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Heads-up
I just wanted to tell you ahead of time that I'm going to be temporarily inactive starting August 22nd, and ending sometime after September 1st. I'll mark myself as inactive on the Admin page, and put up a notice on my pages when the time comes. -- Patrick (LostInRiverview) (talk)(blog)(random page) 05:32, August 15, 2010 (UTC) Why?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 05:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm involved in a program at my university welcoming incoming students. Starting next Sunday I start training then start actually participating in the program, meaning my days will be dedicated to the program and my nights will be dedicated to... sleeping. -- Patrick (LostInRiverview) (talk)(blog)(random page) 05:35, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 05:37, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am planning to be away around that time as well. --a_morris (talk) 15:10, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * OMG, mom and dad are outta the house, PARTY! Duskey ( talk ) 15:30, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Templates

 * FA templates: Are we using any of the numbered FA templates? Nothing links to them as far as I can tell and their subst uses it non-existant because of the previous featured article list. Duskey ( talk ) 10:40, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * These are supposed to be used by Wikia though I don't know if they actually are. See Help:Featured article system. They also haven't been updated in a while. --a_morris (talk) 15:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Featured system is quite manual. I'll see if I can clean it out one of these days. Have to make sure I don't ruin the old featured articles. Duskey ( talk ) 13:41, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Newpage templates: These are used together with subst when creating a new page from scratch, right? Or just for copy+paste? Duskey ( talk ) 10:45, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * They fill in a new page automatically, similar to if you copied & pasted. They are never transcluded so subst is unnecessary. See MediaWiki:Newarticletext. --a_morris (talk) 15:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah right, don't think I've ever used any of those :p Duskey ( talk ) 20:43, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * To update them, do you just copy+paste the bare example from the original template? Duskey ( talk ) 07:15, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically. --a_morris (talk) 14:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

List of Sims
There're some orphaned Sims in Special:LonelyPages. I don't mind adding them, but where do I do that? List of Sims (alpha)? Isn't it "double-work" if I have to add them to that list and then the list with Sims by games and then List of Sims from x game and all that? :s Duskey ( talk ) 07:17, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * List of Sims by game is a list of lists, just put the Sims on the alpha list and the list for their specific game. --a_morris (talk) 17:02, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I added the orphaned ones. I don't get these lists of sims though, isn't this what categories are for? And whouldn't a table be better so you can automatically sort them alphabetically? Duskey ( talk ) 18:16, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists) -> There are benefits despite redundancy. --a_morris (talk) 18:21, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * So on a perfect wiki there would be category and a list for everything? Duskey ( talk ) 13:52, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Playability
I just saw your edit to Naomi Hunt's playability now. 'Up top player' is not a valid parameter and result in the Sim being categorized in the unknown category. I have no experience with the Life Stories games and I don't know if an additional valid paramer should be added for playability. Duskey ( talk ) 11:51, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why there was a question mark beside her name on my to do list. The unknown category is just a catch-all for problem articles. --a_morris (talk) 14:41, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * The definition of what is a playable sim could be extended to fit her case. What do you think? --a_morris (talk) 17:12, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, how does it work in the game? Duskey ( talk ) 17:43, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't remember. It might have given the player the option to plead with the Grim Reaper or just come up as a dialog box choice. --a_morris (talk) 18:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it's easy isn't it? Is she dead? If no, is she playable? And then we have the answer, or am I missing something about those life stories games? Duskey ( talk ) 20:25, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Sims Stories are scripted games. The player fulfills certain tasks to continue the story. Only at the end does Naomi become playable and that may be only up to the player. To "complete" the game the player is asked to have her and Vincent star gaze, and then a satellite falls on her. I can't remember if she is playable for that part, but then the player is given the choice to save her or not. If they do save her she would be playable but if not then she would be dead. --a_morris (talk) 19:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd say that qualifies as playable. Regular townies in the PC version aren't "playable" either until you move them in, which requires an action. Naomi requires the action of saving her, ergo I believe the correct term would be playable. Duskey ( talk ) 21:08, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * A player could choose to kill a townie instead of making them playable or do nothing. Life Stories forces the player to act, but the outcome of Naomi's fate is up to the player. Townie's aren't categorized as playable anyway, they are categorized as townies. --a_morris (talk) 19:42, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Well then her playability is special, is there no other life stories Sims who are similar in that respect? We could just name it "Special" as a catch-all for future stuff like this. Duskey ( talk ) 20:51, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know. If I remember correctly, in Life Stories, Naomi becomes playable after moving in, and she and Vincent stargaze, which causes her death. The player can then ask the Grim Reaper to save her, or not. But either way, she was playable, so I think that should be her playability. --Random Ranaun 21:00, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sims Answers Wiki
Hey A morris, I'm not sure if you know this already, but Wikia now allows wikis to make their own answers wikis for them. I think it would be a great idea to make a Sims Answers Wiki, but what do you think? --Random Ranaun 04:56, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found out that there already is a Sims Answers Wiki, but it is largely unused. Do you think that we could add some links to it around this wiki to make it more popular? --Random Ranaun 05:04, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm just chiming in here. I think it should be discussed or at least people shoule be made aware on the community portal talk page. It depends whether you want another place "off-site" to answer Sims questions other than the forum. Not that anyone really uses either place. Duskey ( talk ) 13:40, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Q&A format Answers uses might be easier for some users to use than the forum. Forum:Questions links to Wikia Answers already but it could link to The Sims Answers instead. --a_morris (talk) 19:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Like many projects, I think it needs a driving force behind it. By that I mean someone who builds it up and takes cares of it while it grows. I believe that the idea behind the admin positions, to name an example. If someone is willing to do that, I think it would be a cool idea. We could answer questions and then link to our page where you can find the information, or it would be a incentive to add some information we might not have thought neccesary before. Duskey ( talk ) 21:06, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Template includeonly
Remind me, what's the point of  I mean the noincludes? Duskey ( talk ) 03:07, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The includeonly means to only show in the article the template is transcluded in or, alternatively, to show how the template is structured by showing the parameters on the template page (instead of the value). It is normally used in the output.

Ex. 1 results in  in both the template and the article.

Ex. 2 results in  in both the template and the article.

Ex. 3 results in  in the template only and like Ex. 2 in the article.

--a_morris (talk) 18:24, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah right, so it shows the parameter in the template, but hides it if it's empty in the article? Duskey ( talk ) 20:48, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

New Idea
Hey A morris, can you look at this and this? They are these Wiki battles where users can nominate a fight consisting of any two characters, game features, etc. After a fight is chosen, users can then vote for who or what they want to win. It seems like a really fun idea, and there are many things in The Sims series that could be used in these fights, so I wanted to know if we could incorporate it here. What do you think? --Random Ranaun 04:34, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw this on MySims Wiki, but I like the one-on-one format better. It could definitely be done here. Did you want to start one? --a_morris (talk) 18:43, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah! But how do you think we should make it? --Random Ranaun 18:52, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just finished the battle layout. Here it is. What do you think? --Random Ranaun 20:21, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. --a_morris (talk) 20:47, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, about the page name, the FF wiki and the KH wiki both use names of in-game areas for their battle pages. So, I was thinking that maybe we could call it The Sims Wiki:Llama Memorial Stadium. What do you think? --Random Ranaun 20:54, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you should make a post about it on the Community Portal talk page so everyone gets a chance to have a say. Some people might have some nice ideas that we'll want to add. Give people some days to reply. Duskey ( talk ) 21:28, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just added it to the Community Portal. I really hope people like the idea. --Random Ranaun 22:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Heads Up
So... I said I was going to be absent after the 22nd... it turns out I'm losing my internet connection today, in about 8 hours. I've marked myself as absent on my pages and on the administrator page, but I'll try and sneak back on a couple times when I can to do various things. Just thought you should know. See you in September! -- Patrick (LostInRiverview) (talk)(blog)(random page) 04:51, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Are you absent?
Are you absent because you haven't been editing recently?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 11:44, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been a bit busy. Sorry. --a_morris (talk) 19:07, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bloglisting not updating
I made two blog posts recently for the main page, but they're not showing up. I tried purging the pages, but that didn't help. They don't show up in their bloglisting's either nor my personal blog thingy. They can be found in the categories though. I was wondering if this has happened before or whether you know anything about it. Duskey ( talk ) 03:23, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that they don't show up right away. --a_morris (talk) 03:27, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems it was a bug across wikia, but it's fixed now. Only took about a day for them to show up even after I purged them :p Duskey ( talk ) 22:12, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Tried to complete your "Sims still using T-sim" project
I tried to complete your "Sims still using T-sim"Project.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 06:47, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --a_morris (talk) 16:19, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 16:41, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work both of you. I was planning on having Vicky do it, but the bot software (AWB) is incompatible with Wikia at the moment. They're hoping it'll be fixed this wedensday, but who knows. Where was I? Ah yes, well done! Duskey ( talk ) 13:36, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE: While I'm away...
Sure. Any particular vote/contest thing poll you had in mind for next week? Duskey ( talk ) 02:50, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * How do I work that into a one-week poll? I believe his idea is to make it a regular thing. In my opinion we shouldn't ditch the monthly contest for the battle system. I'll just use one of the other examples in Bleeh's blog. Duskey ( talk ) 03:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Spyro Wiki
Six months ago, I was a shy wikian who was never noticed. And now, I am an admin at the Spyro wiki. I want this wiki to have sistership with our wiki, but I just don't know what to say. We are in need of more help, and you guys have lots of help. Please don't let us be forgotten. Uxie  Lover  1994 13:31, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, and one more thing. At our wiki, we never forget our helpers, and we reply to messages. Currently, then only active admins are ZACH, Aura24 and I (all the others have ether left or are ocupide with other wikis). I am awere of this wiki's struggle, and I see you have lots of people here everyday. Please don't forget about the Spyro wiki! Uxie   Lover  1994 06:10, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I started a discussion on the subject at our Community Portal. Future discussion should be taken there. UxieLover is also welcome to join in, to speak for his suggestion. Duskey ( talk ) 06:20, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am hopeing that the Spyro wiki and Bandipedia can get more help. I beleave that popular wikia such as this one should help the run down wikis. Is that a good idea? (And Duskey, I am a really girl!) Uxie   Lover  1994 06:35, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

R.F.B. last request.
I'm requesting to become a Bureaucrat:


 * 1,000 edits on here
 * 1,000 edits on other wiki's
 * well trusted by the community

-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 13:58, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

When will RFB be open for requests
When will RFB be open for requests next year?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 23:47, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * BUMP.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 22:00, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

The Sims 2 Castaway
Hello A morris. I was just about to add pages for the Sims in The Sims 2 Castaway (DS) when I noticed that there isn't a Simbio for that game. Should we make one? If yes, what parameters should we have? Also, I think that we should create a The Sims 2 Castaway (DS) article, since the DS version is very different from the other ones. What do you think? --Random Ranaun 06:06, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sims from consoles and handhelds can usually use the same templates as the PC versions, i.e. Sim2 & Simbio2 with the, unless it is quite different from other games. I don't know this game at all. You can create a new template using the master template, Sim or Simbio, with the game parameter default set to The Sims 2 Castaway (DS), but if the master template needs changing can we discuss it when I get back? You can start on the article. --a_morris (talk) 16:42, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

RipBrandiBroke
RipBrandiBroke keeps trolling me, here is the proof:User talk:Monster2821.And should i block him?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 11:31, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion here: The Sims Wiki talk:Admin Portal. Duskey ( talk ) 11:59, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Admin request
Hi A Morris, I intersested in admin position but Patrick (Lost in Riverview) said that now the requests are close when will you allowing the requests ? Thanks. Guilherme Guerreiro 20:38, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Founding date
Special:WikiaStats says "Created: 00:59, November 12, 2004" :s Duskey ( talk ) 21:31, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back
Pre-emptive WB message. I'm sure you're drowning in recent changes and messages so I took the liberty of quickly outlining the most important happenings while you've been away: Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Duskey ( talk ) 22:14, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Sims Wiki talk:Admin Portal - 1 week rule for warnings has been removed
 * The Sims Wiki talk:Requests for bureaucratship - Monster would like to hurry the process of the new bureaucrat nomination rules, which also resulted in a message on Community Central
 * The Sims Wiki talk:Admin Portal - The Digimon spam issue has been fixed.
 * I've moved the featured templates to Category:Main page templates.
 * I may also have stepped out of line in denying to old requests on The Sims Wiki:Requests for rollback. (Also there's an open request there which looks promising)

I forgot one: Yay,your back!-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 14:44, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Sims Wiki talk:Admin Portal's block was up and lead Monster on. It ended in a block and they might have had a sock puppet as well. Duskey ( talk ) 22:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --a_morris (talk) 15:01, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Opening request pages
Can i "open" the request pages?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 15:30, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Please the rolback requests I made one I hope you see it ! Thanks Guilherme Guerreiro 16:34, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Two people want it open me and G.G.(Guilherme Guerreiro)-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 16:55, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No response, so "opening" at 1:00 PM today.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 17:02, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have been away for a week. For you to expect a quick response is unreasonable. "opening" will have no impact on the timeliness or favor-ability of my response. --a_morris (talk) 17:19, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

offended.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 17:21, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry i got mad, but i think admins should have influence in opening and closing the request pages-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 17:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just make me a 'crat it's so simple and i like helping people.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 17:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also,i heard you are vary tired and since you are the only 'crat i figured i'll help you out.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 18:04, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have few things I'd like to get off my chest upong seeing this conversation:
 * Rollback requests ARE open, they almost always are. The reason GG's request has taken so long is that our only active bureaucrat has been away for a few days, just be patient.
 * If Monster wants the sysop request page open, then we can discuss that, that's fine. Remember that there needs to be concensus (meaning people agree on it).
 * The bureaucrat page is closed because we're discussing how to handle requests or nominations in the future. It is definately not okay to give ultimatums to other admins or issue 'deadlines'. Remember that many users are on different continents and none has any idea when "1:00 PM" is since we're all in different timezones. Use the UTC time format like signatures does.
 * It most certainly is not simple. Once someone becomes a bureaucrat that are difficult to demote again. A bureaucrat can easily do long term damage to a wiki if they are not up for job.


 * This is directed at Monster: You can help people easily by being an admin. You can even help people just be being a user here on the wiki. Admins only have 2 extra buttons on the wiki. "Delete" and "move file", there's almost no difference between regular users and admins. Why do you wish to become a bureaucrat so bad? Levels are not 'promotions' or 'rewards'. Duskey ( talk ) 18:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm saying it's simple because y'all trust me,don't y'all?-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 18:18, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are positions so hard to get?it's not like I'm becoming a president.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 18:28, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, no. I don't think you really understand exactly what a bureaucrat does or why it's important that selecting them be done correctly. And to be honest, if I had to promote an administrator to a bureaucrat, you wouldn't be my first choice. You simply don't know enough, and there's no good way to put that where it doesn't sound insulting, so I'm sorry about that. You seem entirely too impatient, and when you're stuck waiting, you get even more impatient and start acting out, which doesn't make you look any better and only makes me favor you less. So while I have nothing against you as an administrator or as a member or a person, I do not and will not support your bid for bureaucrat.


 * My apologies, A morris, for having this "go down" on your talkpage. I'm just a little sick of holding my tongue on the matter. -- Patrick (LostInRiverview) (talk)(blog)(random page) 21:05, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * >:(-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 00:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I get why i can't become a 'crat because it's way to much responsibility.Plus i don't want to anyway permanently now.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 03:04, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Scott Morris
Who is Scott Morris your father,brother,ETC.?Because i saw him through your facebook account.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 19:19, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's my brother. --a_morris (talk) 19:42, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh.-- Danny (Monster2821) (talk)(random page) 19:44, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Inactive Admin Warnings
Hi A morris. I added the inactive admin policy to the main Admin page since it was approved. I also checked to see which admins are inactive currently, and only Bleeh and JAL currently fit the description of 'inactive.' I don't think it's my place to issue them an inactivitiy warning on their talk page, however, so I wanted you to be aware of that, so you can take it into your own hands. -- Patrick (LostInRiverview) (talk)(blog)(random page) 22:38, August 29, 2010 (UTC)