Olive Specter/theories

Is Olive Specter a murderer?
Many believe that Olive Specter is a murderer due to her having so many graves on her lot and all her husbands have died quite quickly after her marrying them. Is she? Why? Write your theory to whether Olive Specter is a murderer or not below.

Theories

 * Okay what I think is that Olive was a bit crazy but she wasnt a murder. I also think the room next to the kitchen though some people call "the killing room" was at first Nervouses room. I think what Maxis tried to do was when the social worker came they edited the room to make it look all creepy and stuff and then added all those graves to the lot! Its that simple!
 * Maybe Olive's a bit messed up in the head... Or has really, really bad luck with people? My name is Joine, and Skip ate my pie!!! DX 19:01, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Earl died of Electrocution (Same with Lyla), so how could Olive have killed him? Maybe she tricked him into fixing a TV with water near it? Probably not lol, Hugh died of Fire which might have Happened in an accident, or Olive is a Pyro! (:P) Lou is not even buiried in Olive's graveyard, Ichabod Died of Old Age and her Parents died in a Fire, Willow Died by Drowning ans Olive does not even have a pool!! So she Probably is not a Murderer... but! She may have Starved some sims in "The Empty Room of Death"!!!


 * To those who say Olive Influenced someone to repair a TV: as far as I know, "Influence" was introduced in the University expansion pack.24.140.26.1 13:42, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I predict that Olive has severe schizophrenia, a mental illness that makes you have delusions, hear voices and makes you kinda depressed. The voices told her to kill people, so, she obeyed. The Grim Reaper was fascinated by Olive, and started to get to know her. Eventually, she fell in love with Grim, and she made love with him soon after that. Then came poor Nervous Subject. As Olive killed more and more, talked to herself and went all looney, the social worker thought that she was way too crazy to take care of Nervous, so she took him away. That empty room that Olive has is used to lock up innocent victims as they die of starvation. Opheila, on the other hand, just can't wait to get out of Olive's house so that the ghosts aren't going to freaking kill her! o____O
 * My bad! I got dead by old age then brought her back to life!
 * Some people that died in Olive's house is starvation. Plus, there's an empty room next to the kitchen. Olive might locked them there and killed them all.
 * I have 2 theories. Olive may have am ental disorder called schizophrenia which causes her to have a split personality. Which means she could have murdered those people and not remembered. Second it was all a coincidence.
 * I have two theories. One, she's a murderer because in Sims 2 she has all those graves on her lot and she might have killed them all so she could become friends with the grim reaper, who she ends up woohooing. That way, everytime she killed someone, she got to see her baby's daddy. My other theory is her family is a family that owns like graveyards and stuff. In Sims 3(50 year ahead in time from The Sims 2)there is a graveyard in Sunsetvalley(Pleasantview). Well, if you have someone remains in your inventory and you click on the mausoleum, it says manage the dead. You click on that and when you go in the building, a thing comes out and shows you all the dead people you have put in the masoleum and you cann add to it. On the screen, it says Specter's masoleum or something like that. So, that makes sense to as why she has all those graves. They could be the result of her funeral thingy business closing and no one took the grave.
 * I realised something which I'd like to add, (to back up the fact she could be a murderer): First of all, her name : Olive Specter, a Specter (according to Dictionary.com) is a visible incorporeal spirit, esp. one of a terrifying nature; ghost; phatom; apparition, or some object or source of terror or dread: the specter of disease or famine. Olive is a lot like the word alive. So her could mean alive spirit/ terror or something. There is also the guy who left her at the altar, Earl E DeMise, : Earl E = early Demise = Death. (early death).
 * I think Olive is a cold blooded murderer. She had a doctor looking after her, perhaps, but she killed him. She killed people like Maids, because she had a mental illness, due to her parents died when she was a teen (Grief is odd - some people go blind!) so when she was older, she got it into her head that she needs to kill people. So she killed people. She hated herself, but she carried on. Her husbands learnt of these things, but she killed them before they told anyone. Death thought 'I know, let's play another cruel trick on everyone!" (sorry, I hate death! I have words to say to him...) and so he got Olive pregnant while she was asleep. Then Nervous was adopted to a family (the subjects who died?) But then Nervous went to the beakers. I'll continue another time.
 * I don't belive Olive is a murderer. Think! Whywould she kill? Ok, heres my suggestion: Some people have a mentel disorder. This makes them have two personalitys. For example, they could be a little angal one moment, and a killer the next. They have no control over this. Olive had this. She hated killing the people, and always realized what she had done when death came round, and she always pleaded with Grim to let them live, but she never could. Grim promised to up her chances (30 percent) by 30 percent if she would bear his child. Olive, wanting to do anything to protect her latest husband, agreeded. But the deal was off, Grim said, when the child was taken away! So Olive lived a sad life, and was filled with horror when she saw she'd killed her sister and brother-in-law. She begged Grim to return them to life, reminded him of Ophelia and of Nervous, yet he still refused. Remembering Nervous, she sadly took in Ophela. She felt great relif to die, for she could be with her last husband.
 * I think that Olive killed Danielle accidentally while arguing with her, fearing what would happen if she was caught she buried Danielle in the garden later blocking out all memory of the event. The guilt of having killed Danielle began eating up at her subconsciously until she began to experience black outs whenever she experienced extreme sadness or anger . When Earl left her at the alter she blacked out and killed him waking up to find him dead buried him in the garden with Danielle. This continued on for many years taking the lives of her husbands her younger sister and her brother-in-law and as the bodies piled up she buried them all in the garden. With so many encounters with death she began to fall in love with death himself and have a child She also lost her son due to her frequent black outs she neglected him making the social worker take him away.--Thelamppost 00:05, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that maybe she is a murderer and the reason she has a graveyard is because her house was supposed to be a graveyard. She wanted the lot and kill the man that is the mysterious grave that it seems noone knows where he/she came from.
 * In my theory, I say that Olive is not a murderer, because well yeah many people have died on her lot, but it doesnt mean she is a killer. In the case of all of her husbands, she couldve blacked out for weeks upon weeks, maybe even months. After her last husband dieing, the grim reaper came, she woke u before he left, and they started to have a relationship. Then another accident happened, the grim came and he got her pregnant. Olive gave birth but didnt tell Grim of his child. She couldnt take care of her illigetiment child, so teh social care worker took him. Olive regretted abandoning her child, but since her sister and her husband died, she was forced to take care of Ophelia.Jankster Jackson 19:05, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Jankster Jackson
 * My theory is that Olive killed her husbands because they cheated on her or she wanted money. She killed Earl E. Demise because he left her at the altar. Then rumours started circulating and Olive got scared so she went on a crazed killing spree, killing everyone who might have seen something. Then when the Grim Reaper showed up he threatened to tell Ichabod, Olive's current husband. In exchange for his silence, Olive agreed to bear his child. When Nervous was born Ichabod guessed that it wasn't his child. He threatened to divorce Olive. He was near death and Olive, knowing she wouldn't receive the inheritance she relied on if they divorced before he died, called her old love Grim Reaper and asked him to take Ichabod. As for Olive's sister and brother-in-law, Olive decided after Nervous was taken by the social worker that she wanted a child. Not wanting to adopt, she asked Willow and her husband for custody of Ophelia. When they refused, she went crazy and killed them. She then pretended they'd died in a horrible accident and, as Ophelia's closest living relative, got custody of her. As for Lyla Grunt, I think she moved in with Olive for a while after her divorce and, while Olive was out, tried to fix a broken TV with a puddle under it. So she died and was buried in the Specter graveyard.

In short, yes, Olive is a murderer, but sometimes she had a good reason.Simslover66 16:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

.*To the above: The Sims 2 is actually for teenagers, as the rating is Teen,but little kids also like to play it.
 * I think she had a bad day once and after ordering pizza, the pizza lady demanded a high price and Olive got mad and killed her (Her memories state the pizza delivery girl was the first death). Then she realized how much fun killing was and started killing a bunch of people.
 * It is clear that Olive Specter is a killer. She has random and not random dead people in her back yard and in her bio it states that she will "stop at nothing to get what she wants." I believe that she killed people for many reasons. Earl E. Demise because he left her at the altar, Hugh Thanasia because he had the romance aspiration and cheated on her, Lou Thanasia because he witnessed it all, Rigger Mortis for money, maids and service Sims because they were witnesses and the pizza delivery lady 'cause she wanted free pizza :D. I also think that she killed to see the Grim Reaper--each time she killed she and Grim developed a higher and higher relationship, then they WooHooed. Olive was an elder then, but she wanted a baby so badly so Grim granted her fertility, and that was how Nervous Subject was born. Grim had a busy job so they both knew they couldn't be together. He wanted nobody to know that he was the father of Nervous, or even that they were in love, so he erased himself from the family tree. Olive was stricken with grief, so she was too busy crying to take care of little Nervous. He was taken by the social worker and given to Loki and Circe Beaker, and they were cruel enough to changed his last name from Specter to Subject. But Olive still wanted a child, so she murdered her own sister and brother-in-law to take care of Ophelia. MJ567 08:05, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * There is clear evidence that she is a murderer but The Sims 2 is for teens and not a horror game. I don't think that Will Wright did not create murderers in a game for teens. He is not that stupid.
 * Well I think she was so ugly that everyone who saw her killed them self.
 * She is a murderer people!!! She kill Lyla Grunt too!! She killed her husbands!!!She killed her own sister because she wanted a daugther so badly! And in trade to have child she kills people!!! But once she found out Nervous was, metal! She did not want him and continued her kill spree!! I killed her in mine!
 * I believe she is, but what I find strange is that in reality, when many deaths occur around one person, the police start to investigate. I know she's a sim, but they should have made it a little more realistic, like that the police were on to her or something of the sort. When multiple murders happen, people don't just forget about it. Then again, she did kill many witnesses and possible leakers, such as her husbands' brothers, delivery people and maids who might have seen, etc. She gives me the heebie-jeebies.
 * NO! I think it's just the fact all her husbands died. Makes more sense cause there ain't no guns so she ain't a murderer.
 * She murdered all of them to see Grim, and for revenge because Earl E. left her at the altar. She got another husband in my game. He died soon after. After that, Olive died. Ophelia farted on her grave. She seemed pretty happy.
 * I think that after her fiancee left her she wanted a child so she had a deal with the Grim Reaper for her to have a child Olive must kill others in return but she got so caught up in her killing spree Nervouse got neglected and the social worker came and took him away.I also think she killed her own sister out of jealousy and got her daughter Opheilia but never expected Opheilia's outrages behavior and just wants to die gracefully and be with her beloved Grim Reaper and become Olive Reaper ...
 * I think that Olive's husband left her at the alter, so she killed him. When Grim arrived, she had a shoulder to cry on and they woohoo'd and had a child. As Olive had Grim's child, she swore down on her son's life that she'd help the Grim Reaper kill various sims. So, with the Grim Reaper behind her, Olive went out killing lots of people, but Grim decided to use Olive's garden as a burial ground, so the bodies would just go missing, rather than have a murder case on their hands. As Olive got older she gave Nervous up to the adoption service and the deal with Grim was now broken. Grim left Olive with the bodies and Olive had to live with the awful scent of death in her garden. As her days come to an end...she's glad she gave Nervous a better life...but has he?
 * I think she had a thing for the Grim Reaper so whenever she married someone or someone got on her friggin' nerves she asked the Reaper to kill then leading to a WooHoo after.
 * The magic poodle's theory: I am friends with a Maxis member so I know for sure that: Olive is supposed to be the common death and ghost tutorial. She will teach you to: A. Not be scared of sudden things B. Know what ghosts do C. Give you knowledge about how sims die the people who died died because they get scared to death by the ghosts of the original one person who died. About the woohoo nervous mystery. Yeah, they used boolprop to make a sim who looks like grim and had him marry olive. Then they woohooed them and erased the grim guy 100 percent, unlike Bella. They only erased Bella 75 percent and made a copy of her. So why Nervous Subject? Obviously, when nervous was already at the Beakers', Maxus again used boolprop and then tomstone of L and D to change his name. You will kow this if you purchase The Sims 2: Strangetown Uncovered. Only available in TS2 stores. TS2 stores are located in downtown busy neighborhood places as street vendor shops.They actually sell super hacks and stuff. Sims can now smoke tobbaco, get amneisa, own horses that can move (10,000 simoleans each, wow!), and you can upload yourself and simmify. It's like looking in a morror!
 * Ophelia has Hypochondria. So She was shocked that olive killed her parents. also, Olive is a Virgo. Virgos are shy. She was shy to admit that she killed all those people. But, how dod Nervous get his last name "Subject", not "Specter"? I'm on the case!!!!!!!!!
 * No I believe Olive Specter is not a murderer. I also believe Nervous was born without a father. I think that all those people happened to be killed on that lot (All but her husbands). I only believe she killed her husbands noone else.
 * I made her die of old age. Even though almost everybody thinks she's a killer, I still respect her. I made a building and put her remains there for Ophelia to see.
 * First of all, she may be a killer, but look- do you have any evidence? Solid evidence.
 * I sometimes treat her grave lavishly. Although her home chills me to the core.
 * I think she is! In my story, I got rid of her before she kills somebody. My friends think she is a teribal murder and that when someone is killed, that is disasteriffic. Her niece, Ophelia Nigmos, just danced around her grave after the old woman's execution. Everyone is happy, even General Buzz Grunt, who later killed his son, Tank, because he thought that the boy was a trater for daiting Amalia. Thank you, Amalia.
 * I think all these people said somthing wrong or did somthing wrong. to make her go on a temper tantrum. So out of rage she killed them all.
 * I think she loves the Grim Reaper, and killed all of those people so that she could see him more. I also believe she killed her husbands for money.
 * DUH! Then how the heck did al those graves get there!? She's a mass murderer!!!! You can only move graves to community lots! She invited them to her house, and blew their heads off!!! Sheesh, she's just like the tot mom!
 * Well, in my story, I let her grow old and I just watched what she did. I agree that she murdered her husbands but she is currently in love with the Grim Reaper (so I believe). On my game her niece grew up and on her birthday, Pollination Technician 9's son Johnny Smith, proposed to her. The still live in the smith house and they had 2 kids. (aliens) Mandy and Alanah Smith. (Named after me and my best friend)I will upload pictures. Back to the subject. I agree, she is a mass murderer.
 * I think she met Death after the death of her first husband, plead for him, but he killed him and left. Angry, she killed her first husband accidentally, in a tantrum. After death came, she WooHood with him. They fell in love, but after Grim left, she forgot about him, from dmentia brought on by her elder stage. After this, Grim saw he married and married again, so he killed them all out of jealousy, making it look like an accident to find her again. He eventually gave up, realising that she had moved on. Rather sad, actually.
 * Sorry about the whole "Friggin" thing. I was watching too much Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Go, Master Shake!!!!!! Anyway, mas murderer!!!!!!!!!!
 * My sister, Kaylee, had Olive kill poor Bella Goth, then that way, she can come back to Pleasantview in a story.
 * Most definately. I say she went mad with grief after her first fiancee left her. She killed him and his brother, only to meet Death himself. She fell in love, but he advised her to seek a lover that she could actually carry a relationship with. She tried many times, only to be reminded of Death. Soon, she couldn't go an hour without longing for the spirit. She began to kill anybody, regardless, just so she could see him again. On one of these occasions, he gave in and WooHooed with her, producing Nervous Subject. However, her longing for Death occupied her every thought, and she neglected her son, eventually having him taken away. She lusts for Death each day, still, and probably hopes to be able be with him forever once she dies. --KazeNoYouko 22:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that she's a serial killer. After being left at the altar by Earl E. Demise, she killed him out of rage. (And he was pretty young when he died, hence the name 'Earl E. Demise'.) Then, she married rich Sims so that she could take their money, and then kill them off. Sometimes, she would take out her anger on NPC's that came to the house. Either way you look at it, there's no way that Maxis would have put a bunch of graves in Olive's backyard, without some kind of story behind them. Angelgirl45 18:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Angelgirl45
 * Okay, so everyone thinks Olive is a serial killer, right? She may well be. Get ready to listen hard...Olive seems to be a right villain. Lets start at the beginning of the problems... It seems she was left at the altar by Earl E. Demise, who did exactly that. She probably wanted revenge. to be continued when I get back from my hols! Crazyrowanting
 * It's a bit like Hazel Dente on the PSP The Sims 2. She killed all her husbands when she had blackouts. Hazel might be the PSP parallel of Olive.
 * Killer she is. She killed all those poor Sims to be with Death so much. She even killed Bella on my game.
 * I really do agree she is a murderer she killed a maid a exterminator and police and Lyla Grunt and all her husbands and one of her husband`s brother and her parents her sisters spouse and her sister so yeah and also how they died a secret gun she STOLE from a repo man she knew how to turn it to a random death gun so it does any death she often got drowning so willow and Creon drowned in the ground a police/bill man went to her home to investigate but he just died to and Jenny and PT9 heard on the news and wanted to give Ophelia a better life a spy went on her and the scanner shown she had 2 days to live and Ophelia will be an adult in 2 days the spy told the police shocked on what the results and told Jenny's family about it and Johnny aging to a adult the same day they felt happy. 92.238.105.163
 * Um, well, I think its alittle more than a coincidence that practically ALL the people she loved and was close to are dead, and how to all thiose ghraves of random sims just "magically appear" In Olives back yard? And why, oh why, is Ophelia so scared of everything? Coincidence I think not. Lena Hendersojn
 * Olive has to be a murderer since after killing 12 sims or more
 * But we're missing something: motive. What's the motive in some of these death? Half of them are random. Olive doesn't seem all that murderous, anyway, if her niece is still kicking, and she seems like she'd need a reason and not just be doing killing for the kicks, especially concerning family. I think she might be too intimate with Death, probably called in some favors to off people like Earl E. and a couple ex-lovers, and Death required payment in the form of ruining her life in other ways (killing off acquaintances, getting Nervous taken away, and possibly getting Ophelia orphaned). I'm thinking that probably the only ones to not either be killed by Olive herself or to be a victim of Death's deal are her parents, and even then, I don't know if they died before or after Earl. E (if after, they'd be the payment as well). Possibly Ophelia's parents may have drowned themselves, but I only think so because of Ophelia's name.
 * I think that she killed them but I notesrd she was a hoola girl!
 * Okay here's my theory: As an teen, Olive lived a sad life. When she was 15, her parents died in a kitchen fire. That's when she met Grim. She loved him. Therefore, she went insane. Logic told her he only comes when someone dies. She realized she needed to kill others to meet him again and again. So she did that. She dropped out of high school and canceled her scholarship accepts to La Fiesta. She sat outside her house on a splintery wooden bench and waited for others to walk by. She greeted them and befriended them. Then, she killed them. She saw Grim at least four times during her remaining teen years. When she turned into an adult, her sister, brother-in-law, and niece came for a visit. She occupied Ophelia with Johnny Smith and killed HER parents. Once again she saw Grim and promised to kill others. Finding her parents mysteriously dead, Ophelia lived with Olive. She's now dating Johnny Smith. Four months after the event, General Buzz Grunt divorced with his wife Lyla. Olive killed her by asking her to fix her TV, which caused electricution. Throughout the rest of her years as an adult, she killed resident NPC's and all four of her husbands. Being a gold digger, she married rich sims and those who she thought she loved. Then, down they go into the world of death. Ichabod Specter was her only true love. He was the only natural unmurdrerous death. Otheriwise, they all died. When she turned into an elder, she woohooed with Grim, amd got pregant with Nervous, who was taken by chld services. Now, she currently resides in her home, sitting in her gardnen with about 15 graves. Conclusion: Olive is a serial killer.
 * (Sorry I couldn't figure out bullets, I'm new to this site) Olive saw her parents die and met Grim. She fell in love at first sight, and asked him to stay. He said no and left. She killed her niece Ophelia's parents, and Ophelia had to live with Olive. Ophelia figured out what happened to her parents, and never spoke to Olive again, and was afraid of almost everything. Olive killed many NPCs, and all of her husbands except for Ichabod just to see Grim. Grim gave in and woohooed. She had Nervous and tried to kill him too. Nervous got taken away after that, and then moved with the Beakers. It's a pun. Nervous Subject? Like he's a nervous test subject.
 * I think Olive IS a psycopathic serial killer, and I think Ophelia knows she is, resulting in her being scared of everything around her! I think Ophelia is afraid to do anything, in worry that Olive will disapporve and, if she disapporves strongly enough, that she will kill her herself. However, I also believe that Olive did not kill one person in the graveyard, and that is Ichabod! I think she loved Ichabod too much to kill him, but I think his death pushed her over the edge. I think she became a serial killer following Ichabod's death. My only wonder is with her sister, Willow. Willow drowned right? And she'd've had to die on the lot, but there was no pool for her to drown in. I think that was kinda proof of Olive's murderous ways. That she drowned her sister, somehow, as there is nothing for her to drown in on the lot...

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I didn't think she killed her parents! I think her parents died naturally.


 * I think after the Grim Reaper left Olive, she decided to become a black widow and decided to kill so she could get to see the Grim Reaper again. She decided to kill anyone she saw though she couldn't love him again, explaining how Nerveous Subject was taken by Social Worker|Social Services


 * Olive was not a psychopath or a murderer, the graves on her lot were probably accidents her husbands and guests with no cooking skill probably lit themselves on fire. Panicking, olive hid the bodies before any form of law enforcement arrived, and when Grim Reaper came repeatedly, she had grown accustomed to his company. When Grim stuck around one day, relaxing in her bed she decided to sit in bed and cry on reapers shoulder about her misfortune, and the grief became infused with her passion, as she had tragic losses of her Husbands before the relationships could florish, and they slowly Woohooed. Afterwards she felt uncomfortable with it, and did not enjoy Death's choice to give in, she did not enjoy the expierience, she did not enjoy her pregnancy, and she did not enjoy the company of Nervous, As a result she gave away Nervous and severed all but the memory of her escapades with the Grim Reaper. She did not want Ophelia to know anything about this, and so Olive lived the rest of her life in Grief and pain. She died, with a tombstone that only read: "Why?"


 * I think that Olive killed all that people, except for Lerato and Peponi Muenda, and Willow Nigmos. Willow's death was accidental, Olive just wanted to kill her brother-in-law, but Willow loved him so much that she wanted to rescue him, and it ended with both deaths.That happened in Willow's home (it's stupid believe that they all lived in the same house). Olive felt very guilty for it, and when Ophelia moved in with her, she promised to always take care of her. And my theory for Nervous is the last one in Nervous Subject/theories


 * Okay, guys, I think you're over-reacting. All of this is pure boolprop. I can make a sim like Olive and make him/her a murderer. Do yow know how? I'll tell you. All the sims buried on her lot are just regular Townies and they were just passing by. With the boolprop cheat she made them selectible and then made them use Rodney's death creator. As for Nervous, there are two possible ways, and they both include using the boolprop cheat. One of them is, Olive got pregnant with the Tombstone of L and D and eventually had Nervous. And then, while Nervous was selected, with the Tombstone of L and D he was made grim's child. (Using the Make me family child command) And as for olive's memory of WooHooing with grim, well, the Memory Manager is responcible. The other version is that, with the Tombstone of L and D Olive added grim to her family with the Tombstone of L and D and then, while the game was paused, she again used the Tombstone of L and D to get pregnant with him. Also, memory mananager is responsible for the WooHoo memory... There! Problem solved. Not a mystery anymore, huh?


 * Olive was in love with Death. She would kill her mother, father, mailman etc., so when death would come she would hang out with him, romance him and, as the rumors go, WooHoo with him! Evil yet smart.


 * I don't think she's a killer.When her first husband died,grim saw her and fell in love with her.He killed all of her husbands because he was jealous.When she kept marrying with many man he was very mad and killed her loved ones and everyone she knows so she can be in pain.He made Olive look like a killer and made us think like that and we REALLY think like that!


 * I like to think that Olive belonged to a secret cult devoted to contacting demons in the land of the dead. Olive was brash and foolish and, with great callousness, made a deal with the devil to attain massive wealth (i.e., her mansion and the top of her career). But with this deal came a curse; all of her friends would suffer misfortune and a sudden death. Hence, all of Olive's husbands and every other member of the cult passed away, and Olive has had no friends since (despite being a professional party guest). Knowing Maxis's reluctance to touch upon religion, though, it's unlikely that this theory will ever be an official explanation. (It's possible that she did the deal with the devil on her own, and not as part of a cult, but there's better creative potential for a cult.)


 * MY theory is that Olive's house is a cursed, psycho-ward. Her house was cursed sometime around when she made love to the Grim Reaper. It got worse once she had a child...Nervous Subject. Once he was taken away, she went crazy, and got even MORE cursed...or she murdered out of anger. MrWoof 19:55 August 23rd, 2009


 * My theory is that Olive Specter is so ugly that the other people that are now graves did suicide.


 * i believe that olives house was built on a bureal ground then when he husband was killed the grim reaper come to take his soul away but they fell in love with each other and woohooed. when she got married the grim reaper became jealus and killed her husband. then the next, and the next, and the next. then when she gave birth the grim reaper want here to be miserbal so he had her let the baby starv and then the soical people came and she was so sad she killed herself


 * People think about it, Maxis, they want us to look like idiots! I think that a bunch of those people were people Maxis made but threw away because they didn't like them, that explains why they're so glitchy. Then to cover it up, they made this whole backstory that Olive loved the G.R., killed a few extra townies, and bam! They've tricked us into making a theory page! But as for the townies, yeah, Olive murdered them to see G.R. Zordon123456789mlw7 20:16, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe Olive Spector is, indeed, a murderer. C'mon, she has a chair in a gigantic graveyard in her backyard. And she watches the graves. And she had a baby with the Grim Reaper, the prime guy when it comes to death! She's killed so many random people! Why would they just die like that? How could a maid just drop dead on her own accord on someone's lot? Carelessness? No! She is obsessed with death. Dying, killing, slaying, and of course, the Grim Reaper (she woohooed him and had at least one of the Nervous Subjects with him). She's even close to death herself.


 * I truly think she is because in my game (Maybe glitch) every person who goes to Olive's dies. Even around her!


 * I'm joining the band wagon of the theory that she is a murderer. At first, I thought she was like the Goth family back in The Sims 1. But later on, as I saw that three dead men are actually married to her, I was going "Wait a minute....". Then later on, I started believing it after watching the TV series "Dexter", Olive is just like Dexter, a lunetic serial killer. And yet she got laid with The Grim Reaper. What's wrong with this old hag? I think that I'll be better if she killed ones who really deserve to die, like the Jonas Brothers, or Brian Glick, the guy who designed the crappy beta channels for YouTube....


 * The Sims That has died on her lot may have died by acident, and do you notice that there is some sims that have drowned? When there is no pool on her lot!!! And stop over reacting its just a game it will not happen in real life i did this with the Boolprop cheat each time a sim walked on to my lot i made the sim selectible used the death creator and they obvisly died and EA used the C.A.S. to make nervus subject and did a few things with the family tree and on my friedns game he atuly Woohooed with death. so its possible that EA used Boolprop or an secret super cheat that will kill youre game and its not boolprop AND STOP THINKING THAT OLIVE IS AN MUDERER ITS DRIVING ME INSANE!


 * She obviously must be a murderer. Because it would be a weird coincedence if all of her exes, her brother in law and sister AND all those townies all died at hers by coincidence. I guess they didnt make it too obvious, because sims is not a horror game. So what I think is that Olive being a killer was the intention, but players can choose as they like. I made her a murderer though, she killed an annoying cheerleader that came over and I plan on making her kill the Grunt family, cos I hate them.


 * I think Olive was a serial killer or murderer, well, there's no difference, actually. It all happened after Earl E. Demise left her at the altar. She was extremely depressed, and she decided that if he didn't want her, she didn't want him to live. She killed him and she started to think that killing was a sweet addiction. She then decided to marry people and killed them. Then, she felt it was not enough. She started to hire people from the services and killed them too, well, I don't remember all people she had killed because I haven't played her family anymore. And perhaps after she killed her first victim, Earl E., she met Grim Reaper for the first time and instantly fell in love with him. That also motivated her to kill people: to meet Grim. She finally succeed at some point to seduce Grim and Try for Baby with him. Grim realized it was wrong and he shouldn't have children with humans, and he tried to kill his child with Olive, but Olive protected the baby and Grim left her and their baby. Thus, Olive became depressed again and that's why when the baby was born it was named Nervous: his father tried to kill him. Olive kept on killing people in hopes of meeting her son's father, but he always left right after the Sim she killed was dead. She didn't take care of Nervous properly, and thus Social Worker came and took him away. She was sorry, therefore she wanted to stop killing people. When her niece came and needed her care, she took her in, because she didn't want her to be alone the way she left her own son alone.


 * I believe that Olive was going to die if she didn't murder.When Olive's parents died, Grim came as usual and took pity on Olive, and decided to tell her that she was going to die soon after. She felt this was this was too soon and begged for more time. Grim told her if she killed other people to replace her he would extend her life. If she failed, Grim would kill one of her loved ones and eventually her.This would mean that the people she intetionally killed would be people she hated(Earl E DeMise)or people she didn't know(Pizza men,Maids, Random NPCs). She was unable to bring herself to kill someone so many times, that grim killed her many of her loved ones (husbands, family etc) so she had no one left but Opheila (the only reason she kept killing was so Grim woudn't kill her). As for Nervous, Grim may have one day wished to have WhooHoo with while collecting his "payment".She had Nervous who was a constant reminder of what she had done.She tried to ignore him which led to him being taken away. So then Opheila is scared of Olive because the "accidental" deaths are happening too often for it to be a coincidince.Olive lives a miserable life where she has to kill. This not the same one as this persons....a new statement... my statement: - umm.... she may have killed some people... but her sister had drowned. And brother-in-law. Her and Ophelia don't seem to have a very good relationship at the beginning... plus she has got smart wants, not family wants. and, shes already rich so why would she need more money? Plus, how can a sim be a murderer? Yes, Olive is a bit crazy... I know that. But still, you can see my point. I reset my case! Sincerely, Anonymous Sims 2 Lover.


 * I don't think Olive's a murderer. Nearly all victims died of drowning and some people might have resided in Olive's lot before she moved in and died somehow. The house is just probably cursed and Olive's husbands died after marriage. It was just bad luck, accident or then a curse.


 * After Olive was left at the alter, she got pissed. There was a time skip in her life and after, she murdered her ex-fiancee, and when the Grim Reaper came she convinced him to have sex with her and have a baby somehow. She mistreated Nervous because she kept killing other sims and marrying them and one thing led to Nervous being taken to the Beakers who changed his name, and treated him well enough to let him stay. The reason the Grim Reaper does not show as a lover is because of his dissaperences after taking a sim. Everytime Olive killed a person, the Grim Reaper comes and shows that he doesn't love her anymore by ignoring her. The waiting made Olive think about her life and find her elder days were wasted on killing others and waiting for the Grim Reaper to love her and now waits for death and doesn't kill, depending on how a person can stage accidfents.


 * I think Olive first murdered Earl E. DeMise after he left her at the alter out of anger. Then she met the Grim Reaper when she killed Earl, and immediately had a crush on him. But, she needed to kill more people, or she couldn't see him. The more people who died, the stronger the relationship grew. Then bam! She gave birth to Nervous (who wasn't named Nervous at the time) and the Grim Reaper got mad at himself, and broke away from Olive. But Olive still loved him, and continued killing so she could see him. But he wouldn't stay long enough and avoided her every time. Then the Social Security came and took Nervous, because Olive was spending too much time gaining and killing lovers or townies, instead of feeding, loving, and paying attention to Nervous. Soon she ran out of people to murder, so she murdered her sister, and took care of Ophelia in place of Nervous, who was adopted by the Beakers, who only cared for him enough to keep Social Security away, and used him as a test subject, changing his name to Nervous Subject, because he was a nervous test subject. Then Olive dies and Nervous and Ophelia get big wads of cash.


 * I doubt that Olive is a murderer. The people that died may of died of fright due to the ghosts there. However with all the graves there the Socila Worker taken Nervous away for his own good.Tditda2010 17:38, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think she's a murderer but some of the people may have died of fright from the other ghosts.I also believe Lyla Grunt asked Olive to kill her.


 * She does not have memories of most sims who died on her lot. So here is my theory. The previous owner of the house was the serial killer and that person kept on marrying and joining union with others for the money and then killed them. Soon that person died on a different lot that was deleted and that sim was created as single and never met anyone other thant their spouses. Everyone who was related to Olive died accidently.


 * I think she is. She killed many people including Margaret Howe (sobs.) nah kidding but she did kill her. I also think she did because (wondering if this happened to anyone else?) no other ghost i have ever had except Olive had ever scared people to death seriously there were 5 new graves only 4 days after Olive died of old age all scared to death. And by the way to the 2nd post The Sims 2 is not for 7 year olds it is rated teen (even though 7 year olds play it) so yeah and they didn't actually make her a murder they hinted it as a way to play her. Entirely player's choice.


 * Have any of you noticed that right next to the kitchen there's a empty room, my theory is that she locked people in there and soon they starved to death.


 * I've got another theory: Her house may double as a residential and comunity lot. She lives in the house and other sims put their deceased ones in her yard. As or Nervous he was officially adopted by the Beakers, he was probaly kidnapped.


 * Olive was lonely. and got dumped by Earl, and could not have a daughter so she got jealous of her sister. you do the math.Awesomebloodvamp 19:19, March 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * The people in graveyard, I think that the Grim had a crush on Olive but always when Olive married someone, Grim Reaper killed any possible love interest for Olive so only Grim would love her. After some time, the Grim Reaper raped Olive after not winning the love of Olive. Whitecat2 16:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, i just picked up on the Olive Specter theories, but I already picked up a theme. I went through the list of people buried on her lot, and found that some of the names have something to do with DEATH. For example, Tim Lee DeMise (Timely Demise) and Earl E. Demise (Early Demise). Another thing, Olive Specter Duh. Also she woohooed with The Grim Reaper. Lizardassassin 23:25, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think she killed people because she has Knowledge aspirations and she wanted to see their ghosts


 * Either she's very unlucky or she killed them all to see Grim.


 * Olice should have died but didn't, because she made a deal with the Grin Reaper that if she pays him a mortgage of so many souls over the course of so long, she gets to live. She is only half alive due to this until she has payed off her debt. This explains 'O-live (alive) Spectre.' Gallifrey102 12:23, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * My theory has multiple reasons why she murders. One is that Olive had relationship problems with other people, eventually leading for her to kill them. Second is that she somehow fell in love with the Grim Reaper after seeing him take her parents away, making her murder people just so she could see him again and maybe get a chance to WooHoo with him. Third is related to the second because I think that she married her husbands so that she has something to do in her spare time and so that they are close to her when she kills them. Finally, from my point of view, I think she has a hidden sadistic nature... --TrIxTeR11 10:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have two theories :

1. I think Olive was in love with the Grim Reaper and she killed all these people to see him.

2.She might not been a murderer. I think the Grim Reaper was in love with Olive, and he killed all her husbands, so he will be the only one to love her.Then he woohooed with poor Olive and she had Nervous, but she didn't want him.That's why he lives with the Beakers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalhead-666 (talk • contribs) - Sign your comments with ~

I don't really think that Olive would kill. I mean, how do Sims kill, anyway? Can they? And I know there is evedence of her being a murderer, but in Sims 3, she's just another grave in the graveyard. I dont' think Sims can kill, thus Olive isn't a murderer. -- Honeyrose34 21:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

like the thoery above, sims can't kill! besides, they probably had accidents in the form of a coinsidence, just like Earl E. Demise (or shall i point out, early demise like on his page)
 * I think that Olive would have been a murderer if it was allowed in the game and the game wasn't rated T for teen ( I think if they had murders, the game would eventually be M or something...) so the developers probably put down a bunch of hints to suggest she is a murderer with out actually saying so... So, in the big picture, yes she is a murderer, but technicaly no. It's not possible in the game.Mbc595 01:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Olive killed so she could see the Grim Reaper. Each time she killed, Grim came and their relationship got higher and higher, and one day they finally woo-hooed.


 * Olive is obviously a killer. even though each individual murder had its reasons, it all came down to being able to see Death himself, her true love, once more.
 * There was something someone said a while back (I don't know if there was a username or anything at the end, but it was written in caps) that made me realise something. They said that she killed her sister and her brother in law because she wanted a daughter so badly... maybe that's why she put Nervous up for adoption? Sorry if it's been said, I just skimmed through most of the theories.
 * I think Olive is innocent.The NPC's could have saw the ghost of her parents (who died naturaly) and died of fright.Her sister and son-in-law probably died of a theif (they were protecting Ophela so she survived) and Olive met Death and ended up loving him and they woohooed. They didn't know that Olive was pregnant untill she had Nervous. They put him for adopton and Ophela came around that time. My theorie is weird but i have been playing sims 3 all day and i tryin 2 get a ghost so stop pressurin me. 4 future refrences
 * Its impossible for a sim to be murdered or for a sim to be a murderer without hacks or mods. Her husbands could of had parties which caused their deaths beacuse they drowned for one's party and a fire could of started for the other one's party while Olive was at work. Beacuse no one was home the Grim Reaper decided to relax beacuse he though no one was home then Olive Specter comes home from work and relax and got a high relation with the Grim Reaper and they woohooed. As for the electrucution death that could've been a broken TV and Olive's Friends tried to fix it and ended up getting electrocuted.


 * I highly doubt that she killed anyone, I think that the house was originally a boarding house for the homeless and that all who died there, the graves stayed there. She may have been a resident before the place closed and met the grim reaper and woohooed with him by force and then has Nervous. Then the place closes down and she rebuilds it for her needs and lives there.
 * Look, people, I don't believe she's a killer. Although it could be possible. I just think she has had a long streak of bad luck. - Meghan
 * I believe that she is not a murderer in the exact sense. Sims on her lot dies of electrocution, starvation, and drowning. How would they die like that? Olive could have became friends with her victims, and invited them into her home, and figured out how to control them, to have them die of electrocution, starvation, drowning, ect., which would only be possible if she was abl to tell them what to do, like swimming to drown, not eating to starve, and so on, so she could meet the Grim Reaper, and build up a high enough relationship with him for them to WooHoo together, because she was fascinated with him. [=)--Frankthepenguin  Talk here!!  18:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a perfectly sound idea. Olive was going to marry Earl E. Demise, but he left her at the altar. She got mad, and in a fit of rage, killed him. The Grim Reaper appeared and she fell in love with him, love at first sight kind of thing. So, she started killing innocent sims that were in the wrong place at the wrong time. People who came to visit, and service people, ect. Anyway, afetr so many murders, she and good ol' Grim developed a bit of a relationship. Eventually she ended up woohoo-ing with him, but they knew that it would never last, so he left, and she stopped killing so he wouldn't have to visit. Then, she had her kid, Nervous, and he reminded her of all the people she killed that resulted in his birth, and it drove her crazy, so the Social Worker took Nervous away. Good enough reason for you? And, a little bit back, someone said that one of the people died of drowning and theres no pool on the lot. I have some news for that peson. There is such a thing as a delete tool. Yuki Yukimura, 15th July, 2010, 18:55 GMT.
 * My theory is that she was phsycic. When someone was thinking poorly of her, she invited them in for a drink that she put poison into, including her husbands and ex-fiance. They then drank it, reluctantly and they passed out. Knowing that she had little time left until they woke up, Olive quickly put the bodies into a little chamber and dead-bolted the door and just sat down and waited until her beloved Grim Reaper came to visit. One time, she poured him a little concoction she made herself, which did the same justice it did to her victims. It got him all drunk and then... well let's just say Nervous was conceived. ;) Nine months later, little Henry Specter (Nervous' old name) was born. Grim came today to see his bouncing baby boy. 11 months later, the Social Services found out about her murderous ways and made a deal with her. They left a message on her phone that was like this, "Hello, this is Nancy from Child Services. We know what you did! We know you are a deranged murderer. We have a deal to make. We know a good, no, great prison you would not do well in. If you don't give us Henry, we will have you put into that cell for life! If you give us Henry, we will let you continue to live in the outside world. We MUST hear back from you by 7:00 pm January 14. If we don't, you will go to prison. Have a good day!" Well, she was just out with her baby, not even thinking about murdering anybody, when she got that message on her cell-phone. She cried hysterically. She then called and said,"This is Olive Specter..... Yes, I accept the deal........ Yes, you may take my baby.... Yes, January 19th is good...Wait that's his birthday... please anyday but then!!!" But it was too late. On January 19th, little Henry was taken from her. She then murdered more violently, but not on January 19th. That was the day she didn't kill. Instead, she cried all day. The next day, after her 10th year of mourning, her sister, her sister's husband and her sister's daughter were coming to visit from Pleasantview. She thought about little Henry and decided to kill them, too... but not Ophelia, her niece. Oh no,she was going to tell her that her parents got into an accident and that she was to live with her. She did that and told the next 2 victims all about her heinous acts.They died in fright and Grim Reaper paid a visit, and asked about Henry. She told him about the Child Protection and he was enraged! He told her they would never see each other again, no phone calls, nothing ! She cried for days, but put a cheery face on for her "daughter" Ophelia. She met General Buzz Grunt and they loved each other. She asked him to marry her and he said he was already married! "But to who????" Olive asked General Buzz said Lyla Grunt. She was already plotting for her next victim. She died and Grim came and visited, ignoring Olive, she knows who her next victim is, herself..............I_Am_Such_A_Sim 20:41, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * its possibal she could be a sucupus, a female demon that seduces men and eventuly kill them by sucking thier lives out , their evil powers make a man blind to love .Casecr 17:53, July 31, 2010 (UTC) (UTC)
 * I believe she murdered her husbands, but not anyone else...UBFunkaneer 20:12, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It may be posible that olive wasent a murderer. One day grim was collecting the dead when he saw olive he thought she was beautiful but she ignored him so he began to kill everyone around her so hed be her husband. he raped her and had nervous.
 * Has anyone stopped to think that MAYBE those people were already dying and just happened to die on her lot. And that when she was getting out of the shower, the Grim Reaper, somehow derobed, accidentally BUMPED into her, and, nine months later, Nervous was born. But because of her nudist ways, she was deemed unfit, so the Beakers got to have Nervous (his mohawk is the result of seeing his ageing mother naked). Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
 * Ok, here's my theory. You know the memory of when she woohooed grim? Maybe she woohooed a fake, hidden grim that looks EXACTLY like grim and then maxis removed the hidden grim because they couldn't remove the interacting feature on hidden grim (because he is a dangerous object to add to the household)
 * I believe, the she did NOT kill Earl.E.Demise. He died, and Olive met Grim. She then killed people to see him more (remember, every time he leaves, nobody will remember him), till one day, WOOHOO! Nervous was born. BobNewbie talk •  blog 17:41, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * i think that olive murdered lyla grunt. from, bvbfan1
 * I think Olive is a murderer and a pretty good one. Boom. Why is she a murderer? she's in love with the Grim Reaper and sometimes at night she takes her fancy red chair into her graveyard and just sits there all alone, waiting for him to come back....
 * I think that Olive was always a little cukoo. That's why Earl left her at the altar after he realized it. But that made her even more crazy, and even more when he died a few days later. After that she began locking random service people in her "killing room" and begging them to tell Earl that she loves him, then left them in the room to starve to death. When Rigger Morris came along he finally seemed like a nice man who would make Olive happy. He knew that she was a bit off her rocker, and he didn't care because she was sweet and he loved her (although he didn't know she was a killer, he suspected it but knew that at heart she was a good person). Olive never wanted to woohoo with him because it was "scary", and Rigger was okay with that too. But then he died, thus putting Olive over the edge once and for all. She killed all the sims she could find, Lyla included after Lyla came looking for help after her divorce. When she was burying Lyla, Hugh found her and promised her he would keep his secret if she would marry him. She did. On their wedding night, she killed two other people because she was so afraid realizing what she would have to do. While she was having a terrible first woohoo with Hugh, she suddenly wrapped her hands around his neck and choaked him (thus committing her first hands-on murder). The grip reaper showed up and Olive went even further over the edge and convinced herself that she was whoohooing the grim reaper instead of hugh. Ichabod Specter was the nurse on duty when she gave birth to the baby. When she saw that she had legally listed his name as Nervous Subject, he called the social worker to see if she was mentally capable of parenthood. The social worker saw Olive yelling at her couch because it wasn't soft enough for a whole hour, then took Nervous away and put Olive in a mental institution. She signed herself out and promptly turned her charms on to Ichabod Specter. She convinced him she was in love with him, married him, and then killed him before they could WooHoo. Then she found out that her sister and brother-in-law (who had kept their distance from her as much as possible) had died in a car crash and offered to take care of Ophelia. Ironically, Ophelia spent the rest of Olive's life and her teenagehood taking care of HER and keeping her out of trouble.
 * Olive could be schizophrenic, however, I belive it went like this: Olive's encounter with the pizza girl was pure coincidence, but when Grim showed up, Olive became somewhat obsessed with him. This obsession led her to dispose of other townies in hopes of seeing Grim again. This worked, as that is how Nervous came about. But! Because of the rampant murders, she became addicted to the rush of controlling whether another Sim lives or dies, and continued to do so, becoming so caught up in the thrill that she lost Nervous. This also could be why the residing ghosts aren't as hostile as one would think; they either pity her, or they understand that she cannot help it, or maybe they are just waiting for her to 'kick the bucket' so they can torture her for eternity...
 * I think that Olive murdered Earl E DeMise, because I think she's a bit mad in the head and she was angry as Earl left her at the alter.
 * I don't really know what I think about it. I guess Olive has some sort of mental disorder or something like that, so she doesn't remember killing people. When she was a teen, Danielle Greaves was delivering her pizza, and tried to overcharge Olive. Olive got really annoyed and tried to correct her, but she didn't change the price. She was sick of it, so she stuck her in the killing room, which I guess she used for storage or something at the time. Danielle died, and Grim came. I think she might have been interested in the Grim Reaper, but she also sort of liked having control over other people's fate, and being on good terms with the Grim Reaper would help her do that. Maybe her parents controlled her life and she liked being in the powerful position. Earl E. Demise was, as I think most of us agree, killed because he left her at the altar. I suppose she asked him to fix her TV or something and poured water on it while he wasn't looking. She told him that she wanted to become friends again or something like that, and while he was there he could do her a favor. His brother had come over to see what was taking so long, and saw her pour the water on the TV. Since she was an adult by that point, she might have been more romantically interested in Grim, and when he wouldn't stay and get to know her after Earl's death, she became sort of obsessed with seeing him again. She figured that since Tim Lee Demise would tell, and so she killed him to see Grim again, and when he refused again she went into a small frenzy and killed Seth Zaidi and Patrick Jones. She still needed her TV fixed and hired Seth to fix it. Patrick was Seth's apprentice for a while, so he brought Patrick with him. Seth had to use the bathroom, and Olive tricked him into going into the killing room and locked him in. Then she went and dumped some water onto the TV (Patrick was still working on it) and Patrick died. Melissa was Patrick's friend and when he wasn't home when they were supposed to go and have lunch, she asked his parents and they said he was at Olive's house. She looked in the window and saw his dead body and freaked out. Olive heard her scream and tried to catch her but she got away. She got pissed off because she had to leave Grim to get her. She waited for a while and then got her and starved her in the killing room. Her parents came over for dinner, and she tricked her parents into coming in once she started a fire in the kitchen. She waited until she was sure they were dead, then called the fire department. One day her maid Jessica Ebadi was there. Jessica got on her nerves or something, and Olive asked her to clean the killing room. She locked her in and Grim came. He was actually starting to like Olive a lot by that point, but she was getting over the fact that he wasn't interested in her beforehand, so she had let Rigger Mortis flirt and kiss her. She hadn't bothered to clean out the killing room after Jessica died, and bugs had decided to start eating at Jessica. Olive didn't look closely and just saw a bunch of bugs. She called Benjamin Cho, the exterminator. He brushed some bugs off and saw the body. When Olive realized her mistake, she slammed the killing room door shut, and locked him in. She wanted to do some research on her dead bodies since she was a Knowledge Sim, but she needed money. Rigger Mortis had that, and so she married him. Grim became sort of jealous. Olive planned on killing Rigger, but Grim got so sick with envy that he beat her to it and burned him to a crisp. Vicki Sims, a relative of Melissa, wanted to know more about Melissa's death and came snooping around. Olive got worried and irritated with the questioning and locked her in the killing room when saying that this was where Melissa was last. Hugh Thanasia got interested in Olive at that point. Lyla Grunt divorced General Buzz Grunt and went to Olive for comforting since they both no longer were with their husbands. Olive got sick of her moaning and groaning, and Grim took pity on Olive and struck Lyla down with lightning. Hugh and Olive got married around that point, and Grim got jealous again. When Hugh started having secret affairs, Grim made him burst into flame. Olive realized that she still loved Grim and they had Woohoo, but they both knew that it wouldn't work out. Knut Futa interupted them with a food delivery, so Olive buried him alive. Nobody to this day has figured out how he died. Luc Smith was loitering around because of a bet and he started to vandalize Olive's house, so she drowned him in her bathtub. Olive in.had twin boys who were twins. Circe and Loki Beaker were the doctors and they told her that she had one child so they could take one home to test things on. She named one of them Nervous and took him home. The Beakers didn't care about the boy at all, so they figured that they'd call him the same thing. They made an experiment at one point that messed with people's emotions, particularly nervousness. They wanted to see if they could cause nervousness and fear in people. They called Nervous the nervous subject, and it stuck. As for the other Nervous, his room was in the killing room. Olive was now feeling guilty about some of her murders, particularly the ones in the killing room. She rarely went in as it reminded her of the killings, and she didn't want to be reminded. Nervous was taken by the Social Worker. Grim felt sorry for his son at the Beakers's and went to save him from his misery, but it got mixed up, and the Nervous who was taken by the Social Worker was killed instead. Olive was never informed of this. Olive married Ichabod Specter, and Grim had him die of old age since he was still sore from losing Olive. Olive had actually loved Ichabod though, and so she drowned Creon and Willow Nigmos in her sadness and rage when she found out that it was Grim's fault. She felt bad afterwards and so offered to take Ophelia in.