User talk:FreedomV

Fanon Template Guideline
Greetings there, new user!

You wished to use the Green boxes? Hmm, then simply use this: Copy it in either mode and modify it and you should be ok, although in this case Source mode is recommended (as it lists the different things to be listed). This is an empty Sims 3 Sim template.

As a sidenote, when you go writing things like hair color and eye color, preferably state the sim's hair color (unless none of the listed fit: examples such as this and this ) as either black, blone, red (which includes shades of oranges), brown or grey, as other inputs will put them on the colored hair section. This is a minor element but it helps in categorization. Likewise with eye color, use blue, green, brown, or grey, as other inputs will put them on the category "Sims with unusual eye color (fanon)".

You also stated to have wanted to have some screenshots, right? Regarding screenshot, simply press C to take a screenshot. However, if you wish to take those headshots with the blank backgrounds, the way to do it as far as I know is to use the s3pe program (google it): once you have that opened, Depending on your OS,

(XP)

It should start at My Document -> Electronic Arts -> Sims 3 -> Library

(Vista/Win7)

Document -> Electronic Arts -> Sims 3 -> Library

And there is where your families are.

But, to do it that way you must save the family into the library: if you haven't done so, when you play the game, go to the town edit mode, select your family and click on the folder button, which will send your family into the library for you to access.

OR

Document -> Electronic Arts -> Sims 3 -> Saved Sims

Like the family one, you also must save the individual sim. The quickest way in most occasion is to activate the cheat testingcheatsenabled (opening the console via ctrl+shift+c), and assuming that your game is up to date, shift clicking your sim will allow you to access the CAS menu (beware, your sim must be in one of the 5 standard clothing set, that is no work clothes or martial arts clothes), and from there there should be a button at the bottom right corner of the sim portrait with the ellipses on it. Once again, click the folder icon.

Having opened the file, you will get a list of files. To find what you need, first sort the files by the tag name by clicking on the tag tab, which will sort it in alphabetical order. Scroll until you get to the SNAP tags, which will hold what you want.

Otherwise, happy fanon writing!

Best wishes, MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES  (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 01:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)p

Thanks so much for the help! I'm very happy to have started my Sim's page but I'm having some issues with the picture. I downloaded s3pe but my cpmputer says I need some other download or something to use it. I also tried taking a picture of my sim in the CAS but the picture appearently did not save to my laucher. I have no clue what to do next :P Also

Freedom50000 02:19, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I've found where to look at a saved sim (My Document -> Electronic Arts -> Sims 3 -> Libary). I have a ton of files there that I cannot open and here is the error message that shows up when I try to open s3pe. Also (sorry for all the questions) I can't seem to edot the green character box for my fanon sim and her children have disappeared from it.

Freedom50000 20:23, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to budge in like this but maybe try checking in (Documents-Electronic Arts-Sims 3- Screenshots) if you took a picture of your sim in CAS. You can open the picture in Paint. :) Its just a thoughtful advice. Starmoonie 20:43, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's no problem and thanks Star. I can see If I can upload one of these on to my fanon page.

Thanks again

Freedom50000 20:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of the .NET 3.5 Framework, all you need to do is to get it: it should be easily accessible, just google it. As Starmoonie had mentioned (and probably made what I mentioned unclearly clear) you could use the screenshot folder, but s3pe is the way to get the headshot picture. With the library folder, what it stores is the saved custom family (in the bin) and the custom lots that you've bothered to save to the library for use. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 01:19, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I'll look for it but I still can't edit Meredith's chacrter box properly. Whenecer I go into Edit mode all there is a green puzzle piece and when i click a botton that says "edit" there very little it actually lets my edit. I can't add her children. Sorry for all the difficulties, wikia is confusing to me. xp

Freedom50000 13:01, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Use the source mode. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 13:45, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'll try that, thanks!

Freedom50000 03:29, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hey I would like to tell you that you have a very impressive fanon! and also when you upload images be sure to license them so others won't claim them. It is under the options button when you upload it, thank you! :) Starmoonie - Talk Here  13:59, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it and especially from a talented writers like you! I'll go back a fix that, Thanks again!

Freedom50000 14:08, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question
I have a question, how did you do your fanons sims?

Thanks! Arthur001 23:01, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Like the green infoboxes? Or the headshots? or what...?

Freedom50000 23:26, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Like Arabella Reaper

Arthur001 00:47, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

You are still not being specific. Her page? Her character? Her story? I cannot read your mind.

Freedom50000 01:35, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Her character how did you do it?

Arthur001 21:20, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well you didn't pick an easy one for me to answer. Well I picked a a sencero I wanted: A wife for the Grim Reaper. Then put together traits of someone who would being crazy enough to marry Mr.Death. Then I simply continued my game. Named her kids the way she would, lear what skills I though she would want, ect. Honestly It's easy said than done. If it helps I usually base characters (Sim fanon and others) off of characters in movies, shows and books. Hope that helps! (If you do create a fanon page I would love to take a look!)

Freedom50000 21:38, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Fanon
Hmm, It seems like you are taking good care of your fanon. It is good to see determined fanon authors out there. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 03:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Have to say hard than I thought xp

Freedom50000 21:07, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Undid anon edits
I undid edits to Fanon:Estelle Reaper and Fanon:Eloquence Reaper by anon user 60.230.209.234. Dharden (talk) 12:10, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

Freedom50000 21:08, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reaper Family
Sorry for disturbing, but I was thinkinga and I realized I'am very bad doing fanon, and I think can I help you with your fanon Reaper Family?

Thanks!, Arthur001 01:52, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer but no. General creative critisism on the family's pages (and hopefully an actual fan fiction soon) would be great.

Freedom50000 01:57, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I love your Reaper family fanons!!! They inspired me to write my own fanons!!! Thank you for the Reaper family awesomeness!!!

FiveLeafClover 21:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)FiveLeafClover

No problem!

Freedom50000 01:19, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Goth
So, Rebecca Goth is real -- like, for real? All this time we haven't had enough reliable source for that statement. Can you explain more about her, like who she is, whether she's a townie or NPC or what, how she's like, her connection or influence to other families in that game, or anything?  Nikel  Talk  03:44, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly I don't know. I was just updating pages and connecting information. If you want to know more about her (which may be hard since I believe she is unplayable) I would see if someone has the Sims 3: Pets (for console) to do some research on her.

Freedom50000 20:43, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I suppose we should really suspend anything related to Rebecca Goth. There has never been enough reliable source to state her existence. I think I'll clean them up a little.  Nikel  Talk  11:38, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay I'll hold off on the editing. Freedom50000 11:51, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, no. Not you. I referred to Rebecca Goth. I hope nobody else edits it unless they can prove it that she exists.  Nikel  Talk  12:10, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Categories
You can look on the right side of a page when you edit the page. The categories section will be at the bottom and you can remove and add there. Sometimes you can't edit the categories because they are automatically placed there if there is something on the page giving it it's category. If you want I can check the pages you want to edit the categories and see if there is something I can do, other than that I or you can ask another admin for some more info. :) Starmoonie (Talk Here) 01:43, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, sometimes that is a huge problem. Sometimes users are probably going to add more family members or there are more that they won't give names. I too have done the same before. Starmoonie (Talk Here) 01:54, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Headshots
Basically I'm doing it the same way your probably doing it now. I don't know if there is any other way but just clicking those buttons that says upload pictures sorry. :( Starmoonie (Talk Here) 01:00, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

The Good Ones
Hi Freedom! This is Pidgeoraptor7! I'm writing a Fanon story, called The Good Ones. I was thinking, would it be okay if I used Nisha Slayer, one of your Fanons, in my story? I get that at this point in time, she is a child, but in Of the Night, Jessica Talon is also a child. Therefore, she would age up to a young adult at the time of my story. If you let me, great! If not, I understand. Pidgeoraptor7 18:17, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks so much Freedom! I've been a fan of your Fanons as soon as I signed up, and I hope that including Nisha in one of mine will make it more interesting: a collaboration of sorts. If I was to include Nisha in The Good Ones, I would most likely have Nisha just be Pierce VanPyre's, the main protagonist, friend. The whole purpose of the story is how the original Bridgeport vampires fight the newer, more corrupt, vampires, and Nisha would play a role in helping them defeat the "Bad Ones". Here, you might want to check out the chapter: I'm working on it now. Here's the link: Meeting Nisha. If you don't like it, let me know, and I'll see what I can do to improve it. Thanks again! :p Pidgeoraptor7 02:41, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Pidgeoraptor7 15:31, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's okay, Freedom. There's no need to be sorry. I understand if you don't want Pierce to be in your story, however I'm glad that you allowed Nisha to play a roll in mine. Can't wait for Chapter 3, by the way! :p Pidgeoraptor7 02:19, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you're continuing your story! It's great that I could help you along with it, and I really liked Chapter 3. Keep up the good work! For some reason I feel as if I'm getting addicted to The Sims 3 way too much... Anyway, great job! Oh, and by the way, I fixed Pierce's page for you. :p Pidgeoraptor7 02:36, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Userbox
Here ya go! :) Starmoonie (Talk Here)  01:56, June 18, 2012 (UTC) want me to change the colors?

Hey Thanks!
Thanks for correcting my mistakes Xxgreenbunnyxx 18:58, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Thanks!
You're welcome and no problem! (: -- RoseGui ( talk here )  13:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * OMG! >:O You said Alani would be your last townie... Just kidding. :) Thanks for adding the headshots. -- RoseGui [[File:Thanks rose.png]] ( talk here ) 14:18, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Absent
, or there you go! :) Starmoonie (Talk Here) 05:23, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback request
Hi, just thought I should let you know that I have approved your request for rollback. Feel free to ask around if you need any help with the tool and congratulations! :) 16:20, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Fanon Horses
Hi Freedom! Sorry for the late reply. Oh, and thanks for pointing that out. I'll try to fix it in a moment.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:34, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * There! It's fixed once you update your fanon, or just wait until the categories fix themselves. The categories only need to be created now.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:41, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Undoing your userpage
Hi, Freedom! I saw that you reverted your page, which turned out to revert all your edits to its original state. I undid your revert before you added the Goth template because I suppose you did that accidentally. Please note that you should use the rollback button with care when doing it in your subpages or userpage, because it's mostly only edited by yourself. If you don't think I undid it right, you can revert my undo again (which will make your userpage back to its real original state).  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  09:57, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Categories
Sorry for the late reply, Freedom. And thanks for pointing that out! It seems that it also includes the user namespace. Since I don't really think there will be enough fanons to use this category, I decided to exclude the fanon category. Unless, you think I had better make one for fanons too. Again, thanks and sorry! :)  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote  –  Guess!  08:37, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Forget it, I'm going to make ones for the fanons!  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote  –  Guess!  08:39, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Of The Night
Hey Freedom,

I was gone for a two weeks and got back today. I checked your "Of the Night" fanon ( the best fanon ever) and saw that you haven't updated it yet. I was wondering if you were still continuing the fanon. Have you quit? (If you did, you shouldn't stop writing. It's so good!)

Kat (FiveLeafClover) (talk) 22:19, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! Can't wait!!

Kat (FiveLeafClover) (talk) 20:22, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

YAAY!!! They're out!

Kat (FiveLeafClover) (talk) 17:00, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Community input required
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Hi! I LOVE your fanon the Reaper family, but there's one problem; why hasn't it been updated in ages? Please reply soon! 89.241.61.66 (talk) 09:00, August 15, 2012 (UTC)An Anonymous User

Categories
Hi, Freedom! I saw that you removed categories from traits, such as Category:Proper Sims from Proper trait. May I ask why? They are supposed to have one.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  09:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's okay, I see. I prefer that way because we can easily head to the trait page from the category page, as it appears at the topmost section in the category.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  02:41, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, true... You can add it to the page as well. But I prefer attaching the category rather than editing the category page. :/ Some categories have a main article, let's say Category:Traits and Category:Pets. We can tell that Trait and Pet would be the main topics related to the categories, respectively, and both pages are categorized there as well. Usually categories have descriptions, but some others are usually forgotten to be included. Adding categories seems to be more practical than checking every category that hasn't had descriptions, and this has been done since long as well.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:07, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

The new Van Gould family page
Hey, I see that you've nominated the new Van Gould family page for deletion. I never made the page but I personally think that the one that was made previously should be deleted as it has less information. Thanks! :)  Colin the Panda -  Meow  16:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, great! I'll get it sorted right away! :)  Colin the Panda -  Meow  16:12, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm, I can't rename it just yet because that's the name of the page with less information :/ We can do it if we get rid of the page with less information.  Colin the Panda -  Meow  16:17, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I made that page it took me ages too look at my contruibutions if you dont belive me. Why should you delete it?

Jane Pok
Could you check if it's Jane or Janet Pok in your game when you can, please? Some people say Janet is the correct name.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:39, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

RfA
Your request for admin rights has been approved. Firstly, congratulations from me, you deserve it :) Second, feel free to ask myself or another admin if you have any questions about the admin tools, I'd be glad to help. Also, I have noticed you have joined the IRC once or twice, but you don't seem to have an IRC account with Freenode - if you register you are also entitled to channel operator rights in #wikia-sims. Finally, congrats again, and good luck!

Congratulations, Freedom50000 Hope you like your new ability.v--Je voudrais un (t a l k h e r e) 09:52, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yaaay! I knew you'd get it Freedom! ^_^ Congratulations! :D  Colin the Panda -  Meow  16:31, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't believe I didn't see this sooner- congrats! <font face="Courier (typeface)"><font color="#74C365">Asher <font color="#FFA700">Éire I'm a lonely person, so please talk to me... 16:40, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow congats user:Salammbo talk to me, like me. Why? Just do it! 16:47, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks all of you! Freedom50000 (talk) 20:36, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, congrats there, Freedom! :D  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:41, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats Freedom! I'm next... :) <font face="" color="scarlet">PGR7 (<font face="" color="indigo">habla - <font face="" color="grey">escuchar ) 00:37, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again everyone and good luck Pidgeraptor! Freedom50000 (talk) 00:44, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Signature
Would you like a personal signature for yourself, You can juyst ask me to ask Christy, Thats if you would like one. I read your blog and commented on it. Je voudrais un (t a l k  h e r e) 09:57, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Signature
Ok, here is your signature code: <font face="Avenir"> Freedom  talk

However, there is an issue. The talk button doesn't seem to work for some reason so you should go see someone who has more knowledge in making signatures. Sorry about that :c

Now, to get the signature to work all you have to do it drag the code above into your preferences and put it into the box that says 'Custon Signature'. Make sure that you allow wikitext. Then all you have to do is put down four tildes (~) and your signature should appear! :D

It should then come out like this: <font face="Avenir"> Freedom  talk

Hope this helps! c:

Participation in the Photo Caption Contest
To mark your participation in the Photo Caption Contest, I'm giving you the following box; feel free to place it on your user page, to show that you participated.

Additionally, if you win the October 18th contest, I'll give you the appropriate template to mark that occasion. Good luck, and thanks for participating!

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Featured Author
You are the new Featured Author for November 2012! Congratulations! I have left a template on your userpage which you may remove or move if you wish. Congratulations Freedom! BakeryChaz ~ ( let&apos;s have a chat! ) 04:33, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! <font face="Avenir"> Freedom  talk  12:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I love your writing! Of the Night is the first I ever read on The Sims wiki. If you have any suggestions for my fanon stories, I would appreciate that.

Hurshbr (talk) 17:54, November 16, 2012 (UTC)Hurshbr

Adminship
Thankyou, and I will remember that. Здравствуйте, меня зовут Dévdevdev (talk) 18:33, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

also I would like to say your Fanon's are AWESOME! Здравствуйте, меня зовут Dévdevdev (talk) 18:34, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Abandoned "fanons"
Hmm, I can see that there's still blind spot in the policy. IMO, only admins are supposed to review fanons (or those who are reliable to help), and authors aren't supposed to put an abandoned tag in their own fanons. The critical case is that they try to tag their fanons as abandoned to protect them from being a stub. If the fanon is clearly a stub or require cleanup, the abandoned tag should be completely void. In other words, reviews should always be involved with admins.

Thanks for the report too, Freedom! I'll try passing this issue to a discussion and bring it up to the policy when I can.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  02:50, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Friends!?
Can we be friends on your talk page? and do you have a Sims 3 account? Здравствуйте, меня зовут Dévdevdev (talk) 08:18, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh I thought we knew each other well (You always helping me and all that stuff.) Здравствуйте, меня зовут Dévdevdev (talk) 07:39, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok sorry for disturbing you maybe not then.Здравствуйте, меня зовут Dévdevdev (talk) 07:39, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, can you think of a few good names for a story about a ghost and the witch he's bound to? Not a Sims story, an actual book.Hurshbr (talk) 01:54, December 5, 2012 (UTC)Hurshbr

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RE: Administrators List
That's so strange. I guess there's some point when people seem to... forget to update the list at that time. So sorry about that! Feel free to fix what's not right next time.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hello Freedom 50000! :)

I hope you take care of me! :)

Sorry
But do you know how to fix My Talkbox because it keeps acting strange like it is at the moment. Thanks! 08:04, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Notice about the Warning template
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Happy Wiki-versary!
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 * Happy Wiki-versary! Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 04:15, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ideas
Hey, I'm planning on making a fanon about four sims, two guys and two girls, who are each leading a double life. I need an idea for a name, and ideas for lives they could lead, and anything else you got. Thx.Hurshbr (talk) 20:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)Hurshbr

Fanon:Uncle Derek
I'm starting a fanon called Uncle Derek. Since you are an excellent author {I love Of the Night} I would appreciate it if you would contribute. If you would like to, then we have things to discuss. Hurshbr (talk) 02:15, May 15, 2013 (UTC)Hurshbr