Olive Specter/theories

Is Olive Specter a murderer?
Many believe that Olive Specter is a murderer due to her having so many graves on her lot and all her husbands have died quite quickly after her marrying them. Is she? Why? Write your theory to whether Olive Specter is a murderer or not below.

Theories

 * It is clear that Olive Specter is a killer. She has random and not random dead people in her back yard and in her bio it states that she will "stop at nothing to get what she wants." I believe that she killed people for many reasons. Earl E. DeMise because he left her at the altar, Hugh Thanasia because he had the romance aspiration and cheated on her, Lou Thanasia because he witnessed it all, Rigger Mortis for money, maids and service Sims because they were witnesses and the pizza delivery lady 'cause she wanted free pizza :D. I also think that she killed to see the Grim Reaper--each time she killed she and Grim developed a higher and higher relationship, then they WooHooed. Olive was an elder then, but she wanted a baby so badly so Grim granted her fertility, and that was how Nervous Subject was born. Grim had a busy job so they both knew they couldn't be together. He wanted nobody to know that he was the father of Nervous, or even that they were in love, so he erased himself from the family tree. Olive was stricken with grief, so she was too busy crying to take care of little Nervous. He was taken by the social worker and given to Loki and Circe Beaker, and they were cruel enough to changed his last name from Specter to Subject. But Olive still wanted a child, so she murdered her own sister and brother-in-law to take care of Ophelia. MJ567 08:05, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * There is clear evidence that she is a murderer but The Sims 2 is for 7-year olds and not a horror game. I don't think that will wright did create murderers in a child game. He's not that stupid.
 * Well I think she was so ugly that everyone who saw her killed them self.
 * SHE'S A MURDER PEOPLE!!! SHE KILLED LYLA GRUNT TOO!! SHE KILLED HER HUSBANDS!!! HER OWN SISTER BECUZ SHE WANTED A DAUGHTER SOOO BADLY!!! AND IN TRADE TO HAVE A CHILD SHE KILLS PEOPLE!!! BUT ONCE SHE FOUND OUT NERVOUS WAS, WELL MENTAL! SHE DIDN'T WANT HIM AND THUS CONTIUING HER KILLING SPEAR!! I KILLED HER IN MINE!


 * I believe she is, but what I find strange is that in reality, when many deaths occur around one person, the police start to investigate. I know she's a sim, but they should have made it a little more realistic, like that the police were on to her or something of the sort. When multiple murders happen, people don't just forget about it. Then again, she did kill many witnesses and possible leakers, such as her husbands' brothers, delivery people and maids who might have seen, etc. She gves me the heebie-jeebies.
 * NO! I think it's just the fact all her husbands died. Makes more sense cause there ain't no guns so she ain't a murderer.
 * She murdered all of them to see Grim, and for revenge because Earl E. left her at the altar. She got another husband in my game. He died soon after. After that, Olive died. Ophelia farted on her grave. She seemed pretty happy.
 * I think that after her fiancee left her she wanted a child so she had a deal with the Grim Reaper for her to have a child Olive must kill others in return but she got so caught up in her killing spree Nervouse got neglected and the social worker came and took him away.I also think she killed her own sister out of jealousy and got her daughter Opheilia but never expected Opheilia's outrages behavior and just wants to die gracefully and be with her beloved Grim Reaper and become Olive Reaper ...
 * I think that Olive's husband left her at the alter, so she killed him. When Grim arrived, she had a shoulder to cry on and they woohoo'd and had a child. As Olive had Grim's child, she swore down on her son's life that she'd help the Grim Reaper kill various sims. So, with the Grim Reaper behind her, Olive went out killing lots of people, but Grim decided to use Olive's garden as a burial ground, so the bodies would just go missing, rather than have a murder case on their hands. As Olive got older she gave Nervous up to the adobtion service and the deal with Grim was now broken. Grim left Olive with the bodies and Olive had to live with the awful scent of death in her garden. As her days come to an end...she's glad she gave Nervous a better life...but has he?
 * I think she had a thing for the Grim Reaper so whenever she married someone or someone got on her friggin' nerves she asked the Reaper to kill then leading to a WooHoo after.

I am friends with a Maxis member so I know for sure that: Olive is supposed to be the common death and ghost tutorial. She will teach you to: A. Not be scared of sudden things B. Know what ghosts do C. Give you knowledge about how sims die the people who died died because they get scared to death by the ghosts of the original one person who died. About the woohoo nervous mystery. Yeah, they used boolprop to make a sim who looks like grim and had him marry olive. Then they woohooed them and erased the grim guy 100 percent, unlike bella. They only erased bella 75 percent and made a copy of her. So why Nervous SUBJECT? Obviously, when nervous was already at the Beakers', Maxus again used boolprop and then tomstone of L and D to change his name. You will kow this if you purchase The Sims 2: Strangetown Uncovered. Only available in TS2 stores. TS2 stores are located in downtown busy neighborhood places as street vendor shops.They actually sell super hacks and stuff. Sims can now smoke tobbaco, get amneisa, own horses that can move (10,000 simoleans each, wow!), and you can upload yourself and simmify. It's like looking in a morror!
 * The magic poodle's theory:
 * Ophelia has Hypochondria. So She was shocked that olive killed her parents. also, Olive is a Virgo. Virgos are shy. She was shy to admit that she killed all those people. But, how dod Nervous get his last name "Subject", not "Specter"? I'm ON THE CASE!!!!!!!!!
 * No I believe Olive Specter is not a murderer. I also believe Nervous was born without a father. I think that all those people happened to be killed on that lot (All but her husbands). I only believe she killed her husbands noone else.
 * I made her die of old age. Even though almost everybody thinks she's a killer, I still respect her. I made a building and put her remains there for Ophelia to see.
 * First of all, she may be a killer, but look- do you have any evidence? Solid evidence.
 * I sometimes treat her grave lavishly. Although her home chills me to the core.


 * I think she is! In my story, I got rid of her before she kills somebody. My friends think she is a teribal murder and that when someone is killed, that is disasteriffic. Her niece, Ophelia Nigmos, just danced around her grave after the old woman's execution. Everyone is happy, even General Buzz Grunt, who later killed his son, Tank, because he thought that the boy was a trater for daiting Amalia. Thank you, Amalia.


 * I think all these people said somthing wrong or did somthing wrong. to make her go on a temper tantrum. So out of rage she killed them all.


 * I think she loves the Grim Reaper, and killed all of those people so that she could see him more. I also believe she killed her husbands for money.


 * DUH! Then how the heck did al those graves get there!? She's a friggin' MASS MUDERER!!!! You can only move graves to community lots! She invited them to her house, and blew their friggin' heads off!!! Sheesh, she's justlike the tot mom!


 * Well, in my story, I let her grow old and I just watched what she did. I agree that she murdered her husbands but she is currently in love with the Grim Reaper (so I believe). On my game her niece grew up and on her birthday, Pollination Technician 9's son Johnny Smith, proposed to her. The still live in the smith house and they had 2 kids. (aliens) Mandy and Alanah Smith. (Named after me and my best friend)I will upload pictures. Back to the subject. I agree, she is a mass murderer.


 * I think she met Death after the death of her first husband, plead for him, but he killed him and left. Angry, she killed her first husband accidentally, in a tantrum. After death came, she WooHood with him. They fell in love, but after Grim left, she forgot about him, from dmentia brought on by her elder stage. After this, Grim saw he married and married again, so he killed them all out of jealousy, making it look like an accident to find her again. He eventually gave up, realising that she had moved on. Rather sad, actually.


 * Sorry about the whole "Friggin" thing. I was watching too much Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Go, Master Shake!!!!!! Anyway, FRIGGIN MASS MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!


 * My sister, Kaylee, had Olive kill poor Bella Goth, then that way, she can come back to Pleasantview in a story.


 * Most definately. I say she went mad with grief after her first fiancee left her. She killed him and his brother, only to meet Death himself. She fell in love, but he advised her to seek a lover that she could actually carry a relationship with. She tried many times, only to be reminded of Death. Soon, she couldn't go an hour without longing for the spirit. She began to kill anybody, regardless, just so she could see him again. On one of these occasions, he gave in and WooHooed with her, producing Nervous Subject. However, her longing for Death occupied her every thought, and she neglected her son, eventually having him taken away. She lusts for Death each day, still, and probably hopes to be able be with him forever once she dies. --KazeNoYouko 22:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that she's a serial killer. After being left at the altar by Earl E. Demise, she killed him out of rage. (And he was pretty young when he died, hence the name 'Earl E. Demise'.) Then, she married rich Sims so that she could take their money, and then kill them off. Sometimes, she would take out her anger on NPC's that came to the house. Either way you look at it, there's no way that Maxis would have put a bunch of graves in Olive's backyard, without some kind of story behind them. Angelgirl45 18:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Angelgirl45


 * Okay, so everyone thinks Olive is a serial killer, right? She may well be. Get ready to listen hard...Olive seems to be a right villain. Lets start at the beginning of the problems... It seems she was left at the altar by Earl E. DeMise, who did exactly that. She probably wanted revenge. to be continued when I get back from my hols! Crazyrowanting


 * It's a bit like Hazel Dente on the PSP The Sims 2. She killed all her husbands when she had blackouts. Hazel might be the PSP parallel of Olive.


 * Killer she is. She killed all those poor Sims to be with Death so much. She even killed Bella on my game.


 * I really do agree she is a murderer she killed a maid a exterminator and police and Lyla Grunt and all her husbands and one of her husband`s brother and her parents her sisters spouse and her sister so yeah and also how they died a secret gun she STOLE from a repo man she knew how to turn it to a random death gun so it does any death she often got drowning so willow and Creon drowned in the ground a police/bill man went to her home to investigate but he just died to and Jenny and PT9 heard on the news and wanted to give Ophelia a better life a spy went on her and the scanner shown she had 2 days to live and Ophelia will be an adult in 2 days the spy told the police shocked on what the results and told Jenny's family about it and Johnny aging to a adult the same day they felt happy. 92.238.105.163

Coincidence I think not. Lena Hendersojn
 * Um, well, I think its alittle more than a coincidence that practically ALL the people she loved and was close to are dead, and how to all thiose ghraves of random sims just "magically appear" In Olives back yard? And why, oh why, is Ophelia so scared of everything?


 * Olive has to be a murderer since after killing 12 sims or more


 * But we're missing something: motive. What's the motive in some of these death? Half of them are random. Olive doesn't seem all that murderous, anyway, if her niece is still kicking, and she seems like she'd need a reason and not just be doing killing for the kicks, especially concerning family. I think she might be too intimate with Death, probably called in some favors to off people like Earl E. and a couple ex-lovers, and Death required payment in the form of ruining her life in other ways (killing off acquaintances, getting Nervous taken away, and possibly getting Ophelia orphaned). I'm thinking that probably the only ones to not either be killed by Olive herself or to be a victim of Death's deal are her parents, and even then, I don't know if they died before or after Earl. E (if after, they'd be the payment as well). Possibly Ophelia's parents may have drowned themselves, but I only think so because of Ophelia's name.

I think that she killed them but I notesrd she was a HOOLA girl!


 * Okay here's my theory: As an teen, Olive led a sad life. When she was 15, her parents died in a kitchen fire. That's when she met Grim. She loved him. Therefore, she went insane. Logic told her he only comes when someone dies. She realized she needed to kill others to meet him again and again. So she did that. She dropped out of high school and canceled her scholarship accepts to La Fiesta. She sat outside her house on a splintery wooden bench and waited for others to walk by. She greeted them and befriended them. Then, she killed them. She saw Grim at least four times during her remaining teen years. When she turned into an adult, her sister, brother-in-law, and niece came for a visit. She occupied Ophelia with Johnny Smith and killed HER parents. Once again she saw Grim and promised to kill others. Finding her parents mysteriously dead, Ophelia lived with Olive. She's now dating Johnny Smith. Four months after the event, General Buzz Grunt divorced with his wife Lyla. Olive killed her by asking her to fix her TV, which caused electricution. Throughout the rest of her years as an adult, she killed resident NPC's and all four of her husbands. Being a gold digger, she married rich sims and those who she thought she loved. Then, down they go into the world of death. Ichabod Specter was her only true love. He was the only NATURAL, UNMURDEROUS death. Otheriwise, they all died. When she turned into an elder, she woohooed with Grim, amd got pregant with Nervous, who was taken by chld services. Now, she currently resides in her home, sitting in her gardnen with about 15 graves.

Conclusion: OLIVE IS A SERIAL KILLER.

- (Sorry I couldn't figure out bullets, I'm new to this site) Olive saw her parents die and met Grim. She fell in love at first sight, and asked him to stay. He said no and left. She killed her niece Ophelia's parents, and Ophelia had to live with Olive. Ophelia figured out what happened to her parents, and never spoke to Olive again, and was afraid of almost everything. Olive killed many NPCs, and all of her husbands except for Ichabod just to see Grim. Grim gave in and woohooed. She had Nervous and tried to kill him too. Nervous got taken away after that, and then moved with the Beakers. It's a pun. Nervous Subject? Like he's a nervous test subject.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I didn't think she killed her parents! I think her parents died naturally.
 * I think Olive IS a psycopathic serial killer, and I think Ophelia KNOWS she is, resulting in her being scared of everything around her! I think Ophelia is afraid to do anything, in worry that Olive will disapporve and, if she disapporves strongly enough, that she will kill her herself. However, I also believe that Olive did not kill one person in the graveyard, and that is Ichabod! I think she loved Ichabod too much to kill him, but I think his death pushed her over the edge. I think she became a serial killer following Ichabod's death. My only wonder is with her sister, Willow. Willow drowned right? And she'd've had to die on the lot, but there was no pool for her to drown in. I think that was kinda proof of Olive's murderous ways. That she drowned her sister, somehow, as there is nothing for her to drown in on the lot...


 * I think after the Grim Reaper left Olive, she decided to become a black widow and decided to kill so she could get to see the Grim Reaper again. She decided to kill anyone she saw though she couldn't love him again, explaining how Nerveous Subject was taken by Social Worker|Social Serveses


 * Olive was not a psychopath or a murderer, the graves on her lot were probably accidents her husbands and guests with no cooking skill probably lit themselves on fire. Panicking, olive hid the bodies before any form of law enforcement arrived, and when Grim Reaper came repeatedly, she had grown accustomed to his company. When Grim stuck around one day, relaxing in her bed she decided to sit in bed and cry on reapers shoulder about her misfortune, and the grief became infused with her passion, as she had tragic losses of her Husbands before the relationships could florish, and they slowly Woohooed. Afterwards she felt uncomfortable with it, and did not enjoy Death's choice to give in, she did not enjoy the expierience, she did not enjoy her pregnancy, and she did not enjoy the company of Nervous, As a result she gave away Nervous and severed all but the memory of her escapades with the Grim Reaper. She did not want Ophelia to know anything about this, and so Olive lived the rest of her life in Grief and pain. She died, with a tombstone that only read: "Why?"


 * I think that Olive killed all that people, except for Lerato and Peponi Muenda, and Willow Nigmos. Willow's death was accidental, Olive just wanted to kill her brother-in-law, but Willow loved him so much that she wanted to rescue him, and it ended with both deaths.That happened in Willow's home (it's stupid believe that they all lived in the same house). Olive felt very guilty for it, and when Ophelia moved in with her, she promised to always take care of her. And my theory for Nervous is the last one in Nervous Subject/theories
 * Okay, guys, I think you're over-reacting. All of this is pure boolprop. I can make a sim like Olive and make him/her a murderer. Do yow know how? I'll tell you. All the sims buried on her lot are just regular Townies and they were just passing by. With the boolprop cheat she made them selectible and then made them use Rodney's death creator. As for Nervous, there are two possible ways, and they both include using the boolprop cheat. One of them is, Olive got pregnant with the Tombstone of L and D and eventually had Nervous. And then, while Nervous was selected, with the Tombstone of L and D he was made grim's child. (Using the Make me family child command) And as for olive's memory of WooHooing with grim, well, the Memory Manager is responcible. The other version is that, with the Tombstone of L and D Olive added grim to her family with the Tombstone of L and D and then, while the game was paused, she again used the Tombstone of L and D to get pregnant with him. Also, memory mananager is responsible for the WooHoo memory... There! Problem solved. Not a mystery anymore, huh?


 * Olive was in love with Death. She would kill her mother, father, mailman etc., so when death would come she would hang out with him, romance him and, as the rumors go, WooHoo with him! Evil yet smart.
 * I don't think she's a killer.When her first husband died,grim saw her and fell in love with her.He killed all of her husbands because he was jealous.When she kept marrying with many man he was very mad and killed her loved ones and everyone she knows so she can be in pain.He made Olive look like a killer and made us think like that and we REALLY think like that!
 * How can a sim kill others...?
 * I like to think that Olive belonged to a secret cult devoted to contacting demons in the land of the dead. Olive was brash and foolish and, with great callousness, made a deal with the devil to attain massive wealth (i.e., her mansion and the top of her career). But with this deal came a curse; all of her friends would suffer misfortune and a sudden death. Hence, all of Olive's husbands and every other member of the cult passed away, and Olive has had no friends since (despite being a professional party guest). Knowing Maxis's reluctance to touch upon religion, though, it's unlikely that this theory will ever be an official explanation. (It's possible that she did the deal with the devil on her own, and not as part of a cult, but there's better creative potential for a cult.)
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 * MY theory is that Olive's house is a cursed, psycho-ward. Her house was cursed sometime around when she made love to the Grim Reaper. It got worse once she had a child...Nervous Subject. Once he was taken away, she went crazy, and got even MORE cursed...or she murdered out of anger. MrWoof 19:55 August 23rd, 2009
 * My theory is that Olive Specter is so ugly that the other people that are now graves did suicide.
 * i believe that olives house was built on a bureal ground then when he husband was killed the grim reaper come to take his soul away but they fell in love with each other and woohooed. when she got married the grim reaper became jealus and killed her husband. then the next, and the next, and the next. then when she gave birth the grim reaper want here to be miserbal so he had her let the baby starv and then the soical people came and she was so sad she killed herself
 * People think about it, Maxis, they want us to look like idiots! I think that a bunch of those people were people Maxis made but threw away because they didn't like them, that explains why they're so glitchy. Then to cover it up, they made this whole backstory that Olive loved the G.R., killed a few extra townies, and bam! They've tricked us into making a theory page! But as for the townies, yeah, Olive murdered them to see G.R. Zordon123456789mlw7 20:16, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe Olive Spector is, indeed, a murderer. C'mon, she has a CHAIR in a gigantic GRAVEYARD in her BACKYARD. And she WATCHES THE GRAVES. And she had a baby with the Grim Reaper, the prime guy when it comes to DEATH! She's killed so many random people! Why would they just die like that? How could a maid just drop dead on her own accord on someone's lot? Carelessness? No! She is obsessed with death. Dying, killing, slaying, and of course, the Grim Reaper (she woohooed him and had at least one of the Nervous Subjects with him). She's even close to death herself.
 * I truly think she is because in my game (Maybe glitch) every person who goes to Olivie's dies. EVEN AROUND HER!
 * I'm joining the band wagon of the theory that she is a murderer. At first, I thought she was like the Goth family back in The Sims 1. But later on, as I saw that three dead men are actually married to here, I was going "Wait a minite....". Then later on, I started believing it after watching the TV series "Dexter", Olive is just like Dexter, a lunetic serial killer. And yet she got laid with The Grim Reaper. What's wrong with this old hag? I think that I'll be better if she killed ones who really deserve to die, like the Jonas Brothers, or Brian Glick, the guy who designed the crappy beta channels for YouTube....
 * The Sims That has died on her lot may have died by acident, AND DO YOU NOTIS THAT THERE IS SOME SIMS THAT HAS DRONED? WHEN THER IS NO POOL ON HER LOT!!!
 * She obviously must be a murderer. Because it would be a weird coincedence if all of her exes, her brother in law and sister AND all those townies all died at hers by coincidence. I guess they didnt make it too obvious, because sims is not a horror game. So what I think is that Olive being a killer was the intention, but players can choose as they like. I made her a murderer though, she killed an annoying cheerleader that came over and I plan on making her kill the Grunt family, cos I hate them.
 * I think Olive was a serial killer or murderer, well, there's no difference, actually. It all happened after Earl E. Demise left her at the altar. She was extremely depressed, and she decided that if he didn't want her, she didn't want him to live. She killed him and she started to think that killing was a sweet addiction. She then decided to marry people and killed them. Then, she felt it was not enough. She started to hire people from the services and killed them too, well, I don't remember all people she had killed because I haven't played her family anymore. And perhaps after she killed her first victim, Earl E., she met Grim Reaper for the first time and instantly fell in love with him. That also motivated her to kill people: to meet Grim. She finally succeed at some point to seduce Grim and Try for Baby with him. Grim realized it was wrong and he shouldn't have children with humans, and he tried to kill his child with Olive, but Olive protected the baby and Grim left her and their baby. Thus, Olive became depressed again and that's why when the baby was born it was named Nervous: his father tried to kill him. Olive kept on killing people in hopes of meeting her son's father, but he always left right after the Sim she killed was dead. She didn't take care of Nervous properly, and thus Social Worker came and took him away. She was sorry, therefore she wanted to stop killing people. When her niece came and needed her care, she took her in, because she didn't want her to be alone the way she left her own son alone.
 * I believe that Olive was going to die if she didn't murder.When Olive's parents died, Grim came as usual and took pity on Olive, and decided to tell her that she was going to die soon after. She felt this was this was too soon and begged for more time. Grim told her if she killed other people to replace her he would extend her life. If she failed, Grim would kill one of her loved ones and eventually her.This would mean that the people she intetionally killed would be people she hated(Earl E DeMise)or people she didn't know(Pizza men,Maids, Random NPCs). She was unable to bring herself to kill someone so many times, that grim killed her many of her loved ones (husbands, family etc) so she had no one left but Opheila (the only reason she kept killing was so Grim woudn't kill her). As for Nervous, Grim may have one day wished to have WhooHoo with while collecting his "payment".She had Nervous who was a constant reminder of what she had done.She tried to ignore him which led to him being taken away. So then Opheila is scared of Olive because the "accidental" deaths are happening too often for it to be a coincidince.Olive lives a miserable life where she has to kill. This not the same one as this persons.... A NEW statement... MY statement: - umm.... she MAY have killed some people... but her sister had drowned. And brother-in-law. Her and Ophelia don't seem to have a very good relationship at the beginning... plus she has got smart wants, not family wants. AND, shes already rich so why would she need more money? PLUS, HOW CAN A SIM BE A MURDERER? Yes, Olive is a bit crazy... I know that. But still, you can see my point. I REST MY CASE! Sincerely, Anonymous Sims 2 Lover.
 * I don't think Olive's a murderer. Nearly all victims died of drowning and some people might have resided in Olive's lot before she moved in and died somehow. The house is just probably cursed and Olive's husbands died after marriage. It was just bad luck, accident or then a curse.
 * After Olive was left at the alter, she got pissed. There was a time skip in her life and after, she murdered her ex-fiancee, and when the Grim Reaper came she convinced him to have sex with her and have a baby somehow.  She mistreated Nervous because she kept killing other sims and marrying them and one thing led to Nervous being taken to the Beakers who changed his name, and treated him well enough to let him stay.  The reason the Grim Reaper does not show as a lover is because of his dissaperences after taking a sim.  Everytime Olive killed a person, the Grim Reaper comes and shows that he doesn't love her anymore by ignoring her.  The waiting made Olive think about her life and find her elder days were wasted on killing others and waiting for the Grim Reaper to love her and now waits for death and doesn't kill, depending on how a person can stage accidfents.