Talk:Pay site

I tried to make this article as neutral point of view as I could. Let me know if you think I succeeded or failed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Userafw (talk • contribs) 02:32, Mar 6, 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe you were successful, however I would like to see this article expanded to include examples of pay sites. I can't name any off the top of my head... Makiah 01:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Describe the controversy

 * EA side
 * Taken no legal action on either side
 * Clarification - End User License Agreement, plz read "These artists set their own terms for how they want to share their talents with the community at large. Those terms should be respected by other players."


 * Creator side
 * A history
 * One Creator's viewpoint is they have the right to share what they create and that it is a hobby, not about money
 * Well Dressed Sim limits non-free content to files that are 100KBs or higher for TS1 clothing and TS2 files, and 75KBs or higher for TS1 Furnishings.
 * Rosesims2's faq states "your contribution will help to keep our site running and more better creation making."
 * 8th Deadly Sim "Some of the content in this site is not suitable for people under the age of 18. This is why we are requiring people to have a credit card."
 * SimsHost closed because it "never reached break-even and the gulf between operating costs and revenues from subscriptions and downloads grew to the point that SimsHost was losing more money than we could possibly afford."
 * TSR "The cost of maintaining the site was starting to outweigh the income from advertising, and so the decision was made to provide both free content and subscription only facilities at the site." "Claims fully supported by EA" and that the EULA is limited to the game software
 * Creations are "gifts only to those people who support me, to show my gratitude for their help."

Their mission is to piss off pay site owners and to alleviate pay sites' bandwidth load
 * Paysites Must Be Destroyed

It uses EA's EULA as a basis for its redistribution of paid content
 * EA owns all of the rights, ... changed in 2007
 * Not for commercial use
 * TS2: You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community
 * TS3: use the Software for your personal, limited, non-commercial use
 * Creators waive their rights to contributions
 * TS3: when you contribute content through the Software, you expressly grant to other users of the Software the non-exclusive, perpetual, transferable, worldwide, irrevocable right to access and use, copy, modify, display, perform, and create and distribute ...

Certain expressions ["may", "claim"] should be used with care, because they may introduce bias. -Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Words to watch
 * Note on language

I like this writeup. Duskey ( talk )( blog ) 19:13, June 20, 2010 (UTC)