The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 1

Proposing New Sim Bio Template
With the upcoming release of The Sims 3 we need to be able to display a Sim's information from all three games. I have designed a series of templates and you can see them at work here. Please tell me what you think of them and any ideas you have for The Sims 3 template. Also, the way the templates are designed The Sims 3 template can be able added under the existing template. -- a_morris 22:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I love Example 1. Just a question for the Player Stories, where would that page direct? Something like Mortimer Goth/Player stories? Makiah   (talk)  05:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Like how the current template is set up now. -- a_morris 14:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Users are beginning to add information about characters in The Sims 3 so I am going to implement these templates. -- a_morris 04:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Voting Delete or Keep or Move
Delete {CAS sim pages would fill up this wikia with pointless information.) Makiah 17:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Move? I don't mind if they're kept here or not, but rather than simply deleting them, if the pages contain useful information, we could make a spin-off wiki for CAS Sims. Angela (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather than making separate pages we could have 'one page' for CAS sims for all different users and delete the [rest, since most CAS sim pages are very short and contain one line (from what I have read). I know there is a page where people can talk about their CAS families. Makiah 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...actually I, too, prefer the idea of making a CAS sub-wiki or separate category. The game is just as much about customization as the stories/characters/info that ship with it. I do like that idea. I just don't think such Sims should be included in the actual game info, such as being listed in Pleasantview; this could confuse those not as familiar with the game as all of us are - people just wanting general information on The Sims 2 as it ships. I'm all for making a separate area for CAS info rather than simply deleting it - either way, though, I think they need to be moved or removed from where they are now. skatoolaki 13:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If we were to make a spin off wiki for CAS sims and families, I believe that someone else would have to step up to the plate. I just recently (Like 1-2 days ago) took the job of admin on this wiki and I don't think I'm personally ready to start another wiki just for CAS sims.


 * I also think it's hard for me (and anyone else who is not the beginner of the page) to expand CAS pages when they are not my sims. Thus we are left with blank pages or pages with one or two lines describing a sim, which seem a waste of space. I also don't think the categories thing will work because people tend to not always categorize everything the way it should be categorized.


 * Maybe instead of many different pages we could use the CAS page to describe what a CAS sim is and the talk page could be where people talk about their characters. We could merge all CAS pages together in the talk. Where older pages come in we could take the original owner's name or ip and say "SoandSo says..." then what they posted in a page(s). I don't think many people have posted their CAS sims but I think the few who have, created many pages for different characters of their families. Then we could make an announcement of the new page to post CAS sim information and archive the older pages when they get full.


 * I think this is a better idea than deleting them. That way members are still heard but it is differenciated between base game and CAS sims. The same thing could also be done with objects. Though I think we should cross that road when we get to it. ~ Makiah 16:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It certainly would be more work - and likely confusion - for all involved. I see your point, Makiah (and gratz on the Admin position).  The idea of a Create-A-Sim page detailing what they are all about and the 'Talk' feature allowing people to describe, talk about, and share their custom made Sims sounds like a fair and efficient idea to me.  That way we could take the CAS Sim pages already made on the Wiki and paste them into the 'Talk' section of that page.  I'm all for that. skatoolaki 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! ^_^
 * I want to get this done as soon as possible so it's off the plate. So we will start the voting procedures again and disregard the old vote. Voting ends when there are 10 votes or after 2 weeks, which ever comes first (unless there is a tie, cross the road when we get there). If there is another option voting will restart again that way we include it. ~ Makiah 17:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick idea, what does everyone think about moving the Player stories to the talk pages of those particular characters? Not a big issue, but I think it would add neatness and allow people to sign their post. ~ Makiah 20:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all about neatness! Whatever we can do keep the wiki clean, efficient, and informational, I'm all for it.  (BTW, and hate to ask here so you can delete this afterwards, how does one go about applying to be an officer/admin-type? Thx).
 * Well, I'm sure Angela could give you a better explanation if mine doesn't cover any of your questions but if you want to create a sub wiki, you are the admin of it. However, if you want to be like me and take over a wiki they first determine if the admin of the wiki has been active. If they haven't edited in the past two months they are not active and you can then apply to an admin, like Angela to Adopt a Wiki. ~ Makiah 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright well the votes going to be officially closed. To be honest I didn't think we would get 10 people. But I guess since I opened it to unregistered users it upéd the vote. Alright so just in case someone else votes after this. Voting results were: 1 Delete, 2 Keep, 1 new wiki, 6 talk page, 0 other. I'll start moving the CAS sim pages to the talk page and deleting them afterwards. If anyone helps and they transfer the data from the actual page to the CAS talk page. Please report the page so I know to delete it with a simple message letting me know. I'll start most of the work tomorrow though. ~ Makiah 04:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that they be moved to the user's page or user subpages. A category could be made to keep track of them. -Lөvөl 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would have been a great idea however because we already voted I think it's hard to re-vote. I would be willing to consider creating a new vote if there were enough people behind it. To be honest I'm happy with the solution we came up with. Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

What should we do with CAS pages? Delete them --They could potentially fill up this wiki with pointless information. Keep them --They are part of the game after all, Sims was based on the fact that players can costumize their games. Create a new wiki for the sole purpose of CAS sims. Use the CAS sim page and talk page to host CAS sims from other players. Other --Explain in a post.

Voting Procedure
I was thinking about making an official voting procedure limiting people who can vote. I don't think I liked how the CAS Sims vote was ran. Here are my proposals:


 * To have Voting Requirements:
 * Must be a Member (Anonymous or IP Votes will not be counted)
 * Must have atleast 1 edit in the sims wiki
 * Votes must be signed correctly with ~
 * Banned user's votes will not be counted.


 * To have a voting format to make achived voting topics more comprehensible. Something like


 * ==Voting Topic==


 * Small Description


 * ===Agree===


 * # Vote


 * *Comment


 * **Another Comment


 * ===Neutral===


 * ===Disagree===


 * ==Comments==

These ideas were mainly based on StarWars Fanon's archived vote, as well as their voting restrictions.

I know this is a small community also so I think I would like to limit voting time periods but do not know what that time period should be. Comments? Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, my idea is that the time limit for voting will be 2 weeks, however if anyone would like to put in their input that would be great. On March 12th if no one has any input I think we will adopt the above as our voting format and voting rules. That way we will be able to use that to vote on the Policy and Main Page. Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks very decent to me. I was wondering if we could have each vote have its own page, linked from a main "Current and Archived Votes" page; that way we can watch the current votes page for changes while not cluttering it up with old votes. Just a thought. --Narc (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinkings about that but I still have to look into how to do it. Like archived talk pages. I figure this would be the best place to hold the discussions then we could move it to another page and lock it indefinately as archived in an archived category that way it's viewable and people could read it but not change it. Then on the Article part of this page list the past discussions and their result with links to the archive. If it's the way I think it would be then a sample discussion/vote archive for example would be like Discussions/Main Page then in the article part would have a copy of the discussions then under that the votes. The article part would be locked and the Discussion part would be for any comments on those discussions. This page would be a central locations for all discussions and voting. Sound good? ~ Makiah 19:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like what I was thinking about, honestly. --Narc (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright guys, you can check out the policy here: Sims wiki:Policy. I'm still willing to discuss the idea above. But whats in the policy is what we agree upon so that's why I kept it off for now. Makiah 21:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the 2 week time period because no one contested the view and I didn't remember at the time when I was writing it that it was there. I haven't added the idea above about voting on other pages because while I agree with the idea I'm not sure how to do it or if what I mentioned above would be the best way to do it. If the way above is the correct way and no one opposes I'll write that into the Voting Procedures, that way it's set in stone and people have a format to follow. I think this should be priority over the other things mentioned on this page because we can use this to vote on the other things. ~ Makiah 00:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't think of anything to add. I think it's probably more important right now to have a voting policy in place than to tweak its specifics -- we can always do that later. --Narc (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Policy
There is no deletion policy in effect however I have been asked in the past, what is the policy here? I, liking my freedom to delete anything when I want anytime, do not want a deletion policy. However I'm asking the community should we have one or not? We will not vote on this topic unless someone wishes to put forth a possible deletion policy. I'm willing to consider any items put forth seriously and will do what the community wants! No fear! RAWR! ^^ Makiah   (talk)  22:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, then, I suggest something simple like having a page to put articles up for deletion in. The point of it is to give non-admin contributors the ability to at least suggest that a page be deleted. On the other hand, deletions probably won't come up very often, so whatever works, you know? --Narc (talk) 13:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * We could have a simple page linked to in the Discussions maybe? Discussions/Delete Page and people can request pages to be deleted for a reason and also have a link the the deletion log and if any admin deletes a page they want, people can vote for it to be recreated by the admin. (I don't know if a non-admin can restore a page with all the previous edits...but admins can) How does that sound? Do we need to vote on this? Makiah   (talk)  03:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's pretty exactly what I was thinking about, honestly. I don't think we need a vote -- this is admin privilege, honestly, so whatever you say is how we'll go. If anyone feels the need to change the methodology later, they can always say so. --Narc (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sims Policy
I believe we should have a policy, currently there is none but I believe it should address a few topics which may seem obvious but if it is written out it is more enforceable. Somethings I believe it should contain:
 * A clause about vandalism not being allowed.
 * Mention about inappropriate words such as cuss words.
 * Something concerning new pages. Such as if there is a topic already on that page just with different capitals, should be deleted. Misspelled pages should be either deleted or moved depending on the circumstances.
 * Also with new pages, I suggest that empty pages created after a policy is put in effect be deleted. Example: SimCity 3000 has never had anything on it but can't be deleted per policy because it doesn't have anything on it. But if an empty page were to be created say titled Mirrors but has nothing on it, even though it is relevant to Sims it should be deleted. Maybe something saying you need at least 3 facts in complete sentences to start a page. That way there is something to build off of. Some sort of content.
 * I'm thinking that we really don't want empty pages at all. I've seen pages like "There's no content here yet 'cause I'm concentrating on categorizing" -- we don't really want that to remain. If the page has no content, it should show up in Special:Wantedpages -- which it won't if it has nothing but that sentence on it. --Narc (talk) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that page too. But I feel rather than deleting old empty pages we should work to improve them unless they show no potential. ~ Makiah 19:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether we find them via Special:Wantedpages or otherwise is the same thing in the end. I like what's currently in the proposed rules about using the "Report a problem" feature, since that would probably help prioritize things. --Narc (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Just some starting suggestions. Anyone else have any ideas or comments? Makiah 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If no one has any input by March 12th I will draw up the policy and post it so everyone can see using my ideas. It would be great to have some discussion to include the community! Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, everything you've mentioned so far sounds brilliant to me; please do write it up -- it sounds good. I do have one addition, though: I haven't looked around the Templates and such yet, but I know we have a template. I don't know if we have something like "cleanup required" yet, but we need it, too: several pages I've seen look like they have a bit of info but it's poorly formatted or even unformatted. Again, I haven't had a chance to look at the Templates yet, but if we don't have it yet, we need it. --Narc (talk) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is interesting -- 69.254.46.13 used the template (Template:blank) on the page Biotech station earlier today, and it seems a decent way to get lists of blank, but "very" wanted pages. Personally, I'm thinking we might consider using that at first, and then deleting pages after a while if they're not filled in. Though, also personally, I'd prefer such pages were never created in the first place. --Narc (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That was me! ^_^ I found it yesterday while looking for useless images, when I had to delete a horse picture someone uploaded. I believe I have seen a clean up template somewhere but can't located it right now. I'm sure a little bit more searching and I will find it. ~ Makiah 17:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If needed, I'll work something up and make a note of it here; this seems to have become our village pump, apparently :) --Narc (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone can check out the proposed policy at Sims wiki:Policy. Makiah 21:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I added block times so everyone knows the consequences of their actions which hopefully will deteriorate them from breaking the rules. I would like to add a note at the bottom saying that Wikia helpers, janitors and admins may use their discretion when blocking a user as that user may also be vandalizing other wikis. I want to cover every angle...what do you guys think? In the past helpers such as Uberfuzzy have helped us by banning vandals. Makiah 02:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandals tend not to read the rules in the first place; those who do and still break them usually have a bone to pick. As far as I'm concerned, the simplest rule you can use is "Whatever the admin wants, the admin gets." As for Wikia people helping, I do believe it can't hurt to make a note of it. Covering every angle, though, that's a tough one. The best way to do that, I've found, is to make short and open-ended rules, without going into much detail about what exactly constitutes vandalism. In short, what you have now is probably best. On that note, however, I would personally recommend against very short blocks (like an hour), since those have practically no value unless they're given immediately once a violation is noted, and that will almost never happen unless someone sits on top of Special:Recentchanges refreshing every minute. I don't know about you, but I don't have that kind of time. --Narc (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, I changed that hour thing. I added the other clause. And I guess this can just go to voting... Makiah 17:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sims Policy Voting
After discussing the issue a policy was written up and can be viewed at Sims wiki:Policy. If you agree, you want this policy to be put through. If you disagree, you don't want the policy to be put through. Voting ends 28 March 2008. Please remember to sign your votes!

Agree

 * 1) Makiah 17:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Narc (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

 * I overall agree, with one exception. I think the text of rule #5 needs to be clarified or abbreviated; I'd personally suggest something like "Blocks will escalate in severity if multiple offenses are committed" -- assuming that's what you meant. Aside from that, my agree above stands. --Narc (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: I've taken the liberty of copy-editing a bit, which has also highlighted one other question for me: what does it mean to use an inappropriate word "in general terms"? Can you clarify, please? Thanks, Narc (talk) 23:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I guess #5 does sound confusing. I'll rewrite it to your suggestion. What I meant in general terms, which probably doesn't even need to be stated because I changed the block time. It was supposed to be like a differentiation between using curse words toward someone and using them in everyday speaking. Like for example, if you ask me a question and I reply, "#@&$ if I know!" That's the way I meant it but to make this go quicker we can just omit it since it really doesn't matter now. One other thing, I liked the changes to the policy you made but there was one thing I'm going to change back and that's the unannounced warning thing. No big deal I suppose with you but I don't want anyone to complain they didn't get a warning and me having to leave warnings on IP talk pages. Makiah 23:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked my edits. I see what you meant now about the general terms. One question: if a warning is unannounced, is it still a warning? Perhaps consider it more of a "points" system (like for driving), and say "If you do such and such, you will be remembered and blocked if you keep doing it" or something? Or is there an official wiki warning system that actually does something else, and I'm missing the point entirely? --Narc (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No there is no warning system, it would just mean that every time a minor offense is done once we would have to give a warning. I sorta consider that to be an unannounced warning, it's not hard to remember considering it's all kept in the contributions. Now I know this doesn't happen a lot but I don't want to create a lot of talk pages for IPs that are only going to be seen once. I figure they know what they are doing when they do it so they don't actually need a written warning. ~ Makiah 06:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering some people can't figure out "that cupholder thingy" on their computer, I'm not 100% sure that'll work, but we can certainly try it. I'd honestly not mind creating lots of talk pages (it's not my server, and even if it was, it could only be a minor amount of space occupied, compared to the _real_ articles; and with a template to subst in, it shouldn't take more than a minute to create the page), but ultimately it makes little difference to me, since you're admin so this is your job. In any case, thanks for clearing it up for me. --Narc (talk) 12:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Skin Voting
Quote from here.

"i would like to suggest you move to one of the monaco skins instead of quartz. wikia is no longer actively supporting quartz, so any problem with it are very unlikely to be fixed. monaco can be customized much in the same ways as quartz, but offers more controls and menus options. See Monaco Skin Customization for all the ways you can customize it. --Uberfuzzy 23:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)"

Being suggested, I would like to take a vote to this. Wikia changed the default skin (I think earlier on 18 March 2008) I changed it back to Smoke Quartz, however as Uberfuzzy pointed out, above, Quartz is no longer supported. So I believe Smoke should be the color, but is everyone okay with Monaco? Personally it's what I use when I'm logged in. Doesn't really need a discussion since there are only two options...If you agree with Uberfuzzy, you want the supported skin Monaco. If you disagree, you want to keep it the way it is. I recommend you try each skin to know exactly what your voting for. This vote ends April 1st, 2008.

Neutral

 * 1) I hold the right to change my vote later. ^^ (Just incase everyone is neutral!)  Makiah   (talk)  02:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I can't say this makes any difference to me. My preferences are set to use the monobook skin I'm comfortable with and I don't see myself changing to any other. --Narc (talk) 13:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The Sims Categories
Continued from User:Narc/Categories Project

I figured we should put this here since I foresee a problem should we not get this issue solved very soon. I am personally suspending all category creations until we vote on our laid out plan. This way everyone as a community knows what to do and is not doing their own thing. One weeks worth discussion and two weeks to vote on the issue is going to be our set time plan.

Issue: The category system needs fixing. It's very unorganized and messy.

(DO NOT COPY AND PASTE, RATHER EDIT YOUR IDEAS INTO) The proposed category system is as followed:


 * Sims Wiki (this is our super-category, the mother of all categories; everything is rooted here)
 * Sims Games (this category is the root of the "games" tree as noted above; in this tree, we categorize things by the games it's in)
 * The Sims
 * The Sims Base Game
 * Livin' Large
 * (etc.; one category for each expansion pack)
 * The Sims 2
 * The Sims 2 Base Game
 * University
 * (etc.; one category for each expansion pack)
 * Stuff Packs
 * Holiday Party Pack
 * (etc.; one category for each stuff pack)
 * Simology (this category is the root of the "simology" tree; it categorizes by aspects of a sim's life)
 * Aspirations
 * Careers
 * NPCs
 * Talent Badges
 * Skill points
 * Motives
 * Life Stages
 * Life States
 * Aliens
 * Interactions
 * Sims
 * (what we already have here except the Premade Sims category)
 * Images
 * Sim Images
 * Sims 2 snapshots
 * Sims 1 Snapshots
 * Game Screenshots (For other game's screenshots)
 * Wiki Images
 * Box Art
 * Logo
 * Templates
 * Blank
 * Stubs
 * Disambiguation
 * Featured Articles
 * Games (for all other Sim games)
 * Community
 * Websites
 * EA Games (I think the Maxis category should be integrated into this one)
 * (more? Your input is required)

Comments
I have added all the categories that I believe are available as of now (all the ones I believe should be kept) as well as inserted ideas. Realize when you are discussing these are the exact titles we want to name these categories. They are to be used as more efficient and to enable better searching. Time is of the essence people and by Monday, March 24, 2008 I hope to be voting on this issue. Thanks for your time, I know this is a long topic! If anyone thinks of anything to be added please do! Makiah  (talk)  22:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll unfix the stuff in Simology, but what i want know is, how is any of that different then the stuff in "Games Systems" --Uberfuzzy 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)?
 * Personally I don't like the Game Systems category because if I was a person looking for things to do with the sims such as aspirations I would not look under Game Systems. That's why we want to better the category system. I thank you for fixing that. The categories listed above would be the only ones we have so if anything is important it should be added! But again Uberfuzzy I believe you have some good ideas and can add them! Makiah   (talk)  09:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to get rid of the Premade Sims Category. While I know there is an enormous amount of articles there I would like to move them to instead just the Sims Category. All the Sims in the Sims category are premade anyway...so it's kinda pointless. I know it's a big project but I'm willing to take it on (even if by myself). I also added some more categories to the category tree: Sims 1 Snapshots, Game Screenshots, and Aliens (which a user created today and I think it would be stupid to delete). Makiah   (talk)  17:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I wanted to make note that this will not effect category creation in the future. So like people won't have to vote on making a new category or whatever. But obviously if a category doesn't seem to fit, I or someone else will delete it and it will be just like the delete a page thing. If there is no other input by tonight I will be putting it up to a vote. Makiah   (talk)  14:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Categories Voting
First thing I would like to apologize to the community because I forgot to put the vote up on time. Alright so we will be voting on a Categories plan that allows the community to be on the same page. The plan is that whatever category is not in it will be deleted and the other ones moved so they are branches of whatever category tree they are listed under. This will not hinder Category creation however when creating a category it must have a proper branch (be a category of a category) and have a significant number of articles.

The proposed category system is as followed:


 * Sims Wiki (this is our super-category, the mother of all categories; everything is rooted here)
 * Sims Games (this category is the root of the "games" tree as noted above; in this tree, we categorize things by the games it's in)
 * The Sims
 * The Sims Base Game
 * Livin' Large
 * (etc.; one category for each expansion pack)
 * The Sims 2
 * The Sims 2 Base Game
 * University
 * (etc.; one category for each expansion pack)
 * Stuff Packs
 * Holiday Party Pack
 * (etc.; one category for each stuff pack)
 * Simology (this category is the root of the "simology" tree; it categorizes by aspects of a sim's life)
 * Aspirations
 * Careers
 * NPCs
 * Talent Badges
 * Skill points
 * Motives
 * Life Stages
 * Life States
 * Aliens
 * Interactions
 * Sims
 * (what we already have here except the Premade Sims category)
 * Images
 * Sim Images
 * Sims 2 snapshots
 * Sims 1 Snapshots
 * Game Screenshots (For other game's screenshots)
 * Wiki Images
 * Box Art
 * Logo
 * Templates
 * Blank
 * Stubs
 * Disambiguation
 * Featured Articles
 * Games (for all other Sim games)
 * Community
 * Discussions
 * Websites
 * EA Games (I think the Maxis category should be integrated into this one)
 * (more? Your input is required)

Because of my own negligence the voting is now set to end April 10th, 2008. Makiah  (talk)  01:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Agree
Anonymous71.167.254.3 23:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  Makiah   (talk)  01:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Policy on Writing and Editing Player stories
I would like to introduce some policy on writing and editing Player stories. Should the player stories submitted be left as-is or edited? Anything inappropriate or that contradicts existing policy should be removed immediately of course. But a lot of the stories have misspellings, bad grammar, etc. I think we need some guidelines on how much we (the editors) are allowed to edit, yet still resemble the personal style of the writer, which is the whole point of having these sections.

Points to consider:
 * How long should a story be?
 * We don't want them to write a novel. I suggest one paragraph, 3 to 5 sentences.
 * Should links to other premade Sims be included if mentioned
 * I don't really care, but it would mean a lot of editing
 * Spelling & Grammar
 * I think this should be corrected
 * User tags, signatures, etc.
 * I think these should be kept
 * Personal opinions
 * I think these should be kept

Any other suggestions?

-- A morris 00:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that's a great idea. Before I had an idea that the player stories be put on the talk pages but it would require a lot of work. However with the user tags and signatures I believe that they should put ~ after their player story whether they are a anonymous user or not. If a player links to other pre made sims that should be okay to. On the idea that if it was on a talk page we wouldn't have the problem of bad spelling and grammar on the actual informational part of the page. -- Makiah  (talk)  16:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think moving the player stories to the talk page is a good idea. A morris 19:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've started moving some stories to their talk page. I moved a really long story from Consort Capp's page. I left the others with a note to see the talk page for more. -- A morris 14:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I had another idea. That of placing the player stories on a subpage of the character's page, ex. Bella Goth/Player stories. That way the stories are on their own page and can even be placed in a "Player stories" category. The can be edited to automatically link to the subpage as well. -- a_morris 02:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Over the next couple of days I'm going to be updating the to incorporate the idea stated in an earlier message as well as some other things. Because of this many of the Sims pages will require some editing but will hopefully make the template easier to use. -- a_morris 14:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

How do I add template Sim Bio to my fanon page. I can`t do it. Can anyone help?