Forum:Organization for TS4 timeline

Hi,

I am the founder of the french Sims Wiki and I wanted to discuss and know how The Sims Wiki will organize its pages (especially Sims and families pages), if you already thought about this, for the new timeline added by The Sims 4.

For those who do not know, The Sims 4 will introduce a new timeline (not following the TS3-TS1-TS2 timeline), an alternate universe for the pre-created Sims (from SimGuruSarah).

If it is still true for the final game, we have to know how we will organize the sections of pages about pre-created Sims and families. Currently, the sections are in a chronological order like : Bella Goth

TS2
But now, with TS4?

Are you going to just put a new section for TS4 following the others? Or maybe creating two sections for each timeline : Bella Goth

TS4
Thank you. --Aster09 12:01, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
I heard somewhere that TS4's storyline takes place in between TS3 and TS1 (which makes no sense to me at all). So it would look a bit like this:

TS3
Blah blah blah

TS4
Blah blah blah

TS1
Blah blah blah

TS2
Blah blah blah

--k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:07, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * This means it would've been affected to the next sequels after TS4. Yeah, it would've been makes much sense with the Timeline 1 and Timeline 2, So that it would've not lost the tracks, since TS4, IMO is a new beginning of the new timeline.  .ThePeculiarMe  |  (talk to me)  |  (my mistakes)  12:14, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * k6ka, it was believed that TS4's storyline will take place between TS3 and TS1 because Mortimer and Bella are (young?) adults and we did not see Cassandra for the moment, suggesting that she might not be in the game. But now we know that it is not true, TS4 will take place in an alternate universe, it is a new storyline, confirmed by SimGuruSarah. --Aster09 13:08, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * If TS4 will be in alternate timeline, why not create separate articles for premade Sims that do appear in this alternate continuity? Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 15:35, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Having a Bella Goth (The Sims 4)... would be somewhat tedious and redundant, wouldn't it. But then again, if EA messed up the storyline so badly that keeping everything in one article would be twice the confusion, then we may as well.


 * Just something I wanted to bring up - I've gone through this process on my other wiki as well. Basically, it split all the pages up according to game, with one "overview" page that served as the "parent" page, linking to the "child" pages. Alternatively, we could use subpages, though I think that's reserved for Onomatology and the discontinued Theory pages. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 15:58, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * The link you provided seems to be broken. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 16:00, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * @Auror Andrachome: If you mean the "Bella Goth (The Sims 4)", yes, that was deliberate, to show the page hasn't been created yet. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 16:06, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

We could set up subpages for each Sim according to the games they appear in. This would involve quite a bit of work, but the end result would be pages that are much more organized. Think of it like how we organize List of Moodlets, where each separate list is maintained on its own separate page. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 19:01, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of subpages. To K6ka, I mean the link to your wiki is not working. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 22:52, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Auror: Huh? The link is working for me. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 23:11, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

1 week later
I like the idea of creating subpages for Sims that appear in multiple games. That would definitely solve the crisis of particularly long articles such as Mortimer Goth. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 21:57, July 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, for the parent article, I suggest we have a short introduction of some sort, separated by game, and then add Article name at the top. That might work very nicely. It might also work for some of the other articles that can get VERY long, like the chair page. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 17:04, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

My idea is to have subpages of the main page, all "contained" within the article by the use of the tabber feature, similar to the List of Moodlets page. I've mocked up a very very rough idea of what I think this would look like for a common, prolific Sim, accessible at User:LostInRiverview/Bella Goth. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 18:09, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * If we're lucky, the Goths are the only returning family in this series. If EA wants to mess around with the story, we're messed too. I don't know how much the tabber can be reliable in a situation like this. For Bella and Mortimer, it's fine because they're considerably very long articles, but what if EA decided to include Sims like Christopher Steel for example? Would it be worth the tabbers?


 * Adding tabbers makes the article a little messed, I think. It leaves a huge blank space in The Sims tabber, but clearly the content for The Sims 2 is longer than the infoboxes. Technical stuff like the table of content and references won't work well either. I'm thinking about making the section to be in the order of the series instead of timeline, i.e.:

TS4

 * But it's not the best solution either. The contents will make the readers confused, and I have no idea how to integrate it with console games (should all console games be at the bottom or correspond to the series?).  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:40, July 11, 2014 (UTC)