Talk:Landgraab family

So many Malcolms, So little time!
Some people are getting confused about which Landgraab is which. Even though the game is out in America (Not here ggggrhh) Ive put together a family tree to show what I think is going on in the Landgraab family. Matta jr 20:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC) :D

But Norma Landgraab's parents are not Malcolm and Mama (it's Queenie Landgraab and... I forgot ^^"). Aster09 09:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Could Malcolm Landrabb(the child in the sims 3) be Malcolm Landgrabb I, who married Mom??

No because he would be much older then. Remember that Malcolm I's great-grandson was in the Sims 2, which is set less then 50 years later.41.145.130.242

He could be Malcolm Langraab III, it suits with the timeframe, but we know they have different parents



Very possible. You should add it so that both versions are under the family tree section. I do wonder, however, if we used the correct picture for Mimi since it has been changed. M. H. Avril 06:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How can [ Image:Landgraab Family Tree.png ] be possible if the Evil Malcolm is from console, which takes place at the same time as Sims 1. Children from the Sims 3 are adults in the Sims 1. Meaning [ File:PossibleLandgraab Family Tree.png ] has to be right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduardog3000 (talk • contribs) - Sign your comments with ~

Can you add Admiral Landgraab to 'Landgraab Family tree' as Kermit's... great-grandfather with photo from article?

I wish Maxis or EA would announce what relations the Landgraabs have to each other, especially with there being so many Malcolms. Something I do notice that it all the Malcolms have to be different. If we compare them to Mortimer Goth, then we'll see the difference. In the Sims 3, Malcolm Landgraab is about the same age as Mortimer Goth. In the Sims: Busting Out, Malcolm has children roughly the same age, so he should be roughly Gunther's age. In the Sims 2, Malcolm 4 is roughly Cassandra's age, so Malcolm 3 must be around Mortimer's age. On the thing with all the Landgraab's on it, Malcolm in BO is down as Malcolm 1. Malcolm in BO is roughly Gunther's age, about the age of Malcolm 2. He has no confirmed parents, so it is possible he married Marion after divorcing Mom (if he has memories of marrying Marion before having Malcolm 3, I apologize, I have never ressurected a sim of the Sims 2) and have Malcolm 3, but that's unlikely. 86.155.155.83 08:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Landegraab may just be a 'ye olde speling' rendition of Landgraab, so perhaps they are related. 78.150.165.39 (talk) 16:13, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Also, which Malcolm is the one who appears in various instances of SimCity? DAWUSS 20:53, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Goth and Landgraab Generations
When checking the Goth and Landgraab family tree's I noticed that the Landgraabs have one more generation than the Goths.

From Victor to Alexander Goth=4 Generations While Kirmit to Malcolm Landgraab IV= 5 Generations

If both families established Sunset Valley/Pleasantview then shouldn't the generations add up?


 * The Family history might just trace back further than the Goths. The second Landgraab generation may have helped to found Sunset Valley with the fortune recieved from the first generation, and then the already rich first generation died off and was buried in Sunset Valley so they could be close to the children. M. H. Avril 06:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you add Admiral Landgraab to Landgraab family tree as Kermit's great grandfather with photo from article?

Goth family: Victor + Samuel (Gen. 1), Gunther + Frida (Gen. 2), Mortimer (Gen. 3), Alexander + Cassandra (Gen. 4), and if Cassandra and Darren happen to marry each other: Dirk (Gen. 5).

Landgraab family: Gregory (Gen. 1, actually Gen. 0 as he is not in any family tree), Kermit (Gen. 1), Chester + Malcolm I (Gen. 2), Malcolm II, Nancy (Gen. 3), Malcolm III, TS3 Malcolm, TS1-era Malcolm, Todd (Gen. 4), Malcolm IV, Adrien, Dudley, Mimi (Gen. 5),

If you're counting only biologically related and playable (as alive not ghosts like MFalls Samuel), and no spinoff people, then it's like this:

Gunther (Gen. 1), Mortimer (Gen. 2), Alex + Cassie (Gen. 3)

and

Nancy (Gen. 1), TS3 Malcolm, Todd (Gen. 2), Malcolm IV (Gen. 3)

See? both families have three generations. The extra generation in the Landgraab family comes from Nancy having got parents AND grandparents in TS3. 94.37.98.213 (talk) 22:46, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Magnus Landgraab?
Who is this guy? If you are level 10 of Thief track in Criminal Career in TS3, then occasionally you'll get a thing saying something about Magnus Landgraab's platinum coils plan failed. I wonder how he's related.

I'll look it up.--Eduardog3000 22:44, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, Magnus is a distant relative of the Landgraab's about the age of Nancy.--Eduardog3000 23:21, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Elixir Of Life
"One other possibility explored is that the child Malcolm in The Sims 3 is Malcolm I (see "?" box) and had Malcolm II later in life, although he would have to have been two generations older than Mortimer Goth, which would not be canon."

(Quote from main page)

Would this be possible if Mortimer had access to the Elixir of Life? I cant work it out as my brains starting to hurt Guffers 21:05, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

A Correction
I notice on the family tree part, it reads "Both the Sims 3 and the Sims: Bustin' Out have a Malcolm Landgraab who is about Mortimer Goth's age." (or something similar). This is untrue. Because there is no elder state in TS:BO (or so I've been told), Malcolm Landgraab is TSBO is and adult, but so are his children, so his children are about Mortimer's age, so Malcolm in TS:BO should be around Gunther's age. 86.155.155.83 08:14, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Malcolm in TS3 Console
In PS3/360 Version:

it appears that Malcolm married to Hannelore and had one children called Arider (Forgot spelling). Am I right? I haven't confirmed who he marries to Hannelore or Margaret (Mom)? It is likely to marry Hannelore than Margaret. We need to update family tree. DiamondSim 21:46, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * First, we need to establish that it's the same Malcolm. Dharden (talk) 21:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

The Malcolm in The Sims 3 (console) is older than the one in the PC version, though I am not sure if Moonlight Bay is set after Sunset Valley. GG  (t)  •  (c)  •  (b)  21:53, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Just look at the family tree below, it is about correct.--Eduardog3000 22:45, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Updated Tree
I have created an updated (possible) family tree using the Familytree template.--Eduardog3000 01:40, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wow. That definitely looks possible. I'm not sure that Gregory Landgraab and Admiral Landgraab should be included because they are only Lore Sims, and therefore don't have an exact point in the family tree, but everything else about it is possible. Remember to use dotted lines, though, because we're not sure if some of the family members are directly related. Also, the familytree template looks really good. I was the one who added it to the Phineas and Ferb Wiki, and I thought about moving it to The Sims Wiki as well, but I thought that the family trees in The Sims were too complicated for the template. Turns out that they aren't! After all, if it can handle the Landgraab family tree, it can handle any! — Random Ranaun ( Talk to me! ) 03:29, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it was a little hard to make the tree, it took quite a while and a lot of edits. Although I am happy to make as many trees needed. I am going to start on adding pictures to this the Landgraab tree, if you want to see my progress, just go here.--Eduardog3000 04:19, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the tree is complete, you can see it here.--Eduardog3000 06:17, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Its beyond me how people are so ignorant to not realize that the Malcolm Landgraab in the sims 3 console is Malcolm Landgraab IV. I don't understand how nobody has connected this yet, in the console addition, all the sims from the pleasantview era are grown up, and it just happens that there is a MALCOLM LANDGRAAB in this era, and in the console addition theres a Malcolm Landgraab witht he same skin and hair color, married to Bambi Landgraab, yet nobody has made the connection? Its obviously Malcolm Landgraab IV, he had no girlfriend or wife in the sims 2, and he apears again married to Bambi. Its highly Obvious, and his traits are the very same as those of the actions of greedy hot headed tempered Malcolm Landgraab from the sims console, who had Dudley and Mimi, so its obvious that Malcolm Landgraab IV is the same one, and his children are Dudley and Mimi Landgraab, and Bambi is obviously Mom Landgraab. I direct messaged the woman who created Lucky Palms asking if my theory was true and she responded saying that how the game goes is up to me and the players, but it was intended that the Malcolm Landgraab from the sims 3 console is Malcolm Landgraab IV, just without the numeral. So it has been confirmed that he is the same Landgraab. However my theory of him being the father of Dudley and Mimi, is not confirmed yet, but look at the coincedences between the personalities of the two Malcolms, its obvious theyre the same person. both greedy hot headed and own alot of businesses. (like in the sims bustin out).

Confirmation Needed?
"Magnus Landgraab is mentioned in an opportunity for the International Super Spy job as having attempted to take over a small nation." Am I able to confirm this? I&#39;m Luigis1upstand. Hi. (talk) 22:55, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can provide more information about it, that'd be better, though if you can confirm it, that's just enough.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:18, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * It isn't an opportunity, it's an event. I'll add it to the page with a picture of the notification as proof. I&#39;m Luigis1upstand. Hi. (talk) 16:06, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking again, he already has an entire section of the page dedicated to him... Why was confirmation needed? I&#39;m Luigis1upstand. Hi. (talk) 16:16, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I guess you're right! I didn't notice that... In fact, he even had his own page! Kinda makes me wonder why it needs confirmation as well, but thanks for your pic nonetheless!


 * Now that you've brought that into attention, I don't think his own page is really needed, considering it's too short and minor. Sure it's a lore, and it's a Landgraab, but it doesn't need its own page because it's already stated in this page. It can also be listed in list of minor Sims instead.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:53, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Glad I could help to improve the wiki! I&#39;m Luigis1upstand. Hi. (talk) 23:38, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

An possible ultimate answer
To solve this mystery, we had to know one important thing: Some families have some members unrelated to them, the only connection between some characters and their family is their biography (like Bert Alto who do not appear on the Alto family tree from Sunset Valley whereas he is Nick's brother).

They are some Landgraab characters which are just mentionned by some game events like Gregory Landgraab the modest teacher who became a rich landlord (in a chance card from The Sims 2: Seasons), Magnus Landgraab a criminal in The Sims 3, Admiral Landgraab I in The Sims: Vacations and The Sims 3: WA, and François Landgraab (I don't know his name in the English version, Im french) who appear as a Food critic in an random event at the top of the culinary career.

These characters are the keys of the enigma: Firstly, we had to determinate their ages, so Magnus and François Landgraab seems to be the same age as Nancy Landgraab (cause we suppose that they are active adults criminals and food critic), Gregory Landgraab who lived at the turn of the late century as its stated in the adventure career chance card, then Admiral Landgraab history is set around 50 years ago before the time of The Sims 3 event in the Sims 3 WA description, so he might have the age of Chester Landgraab when he was an adult.

Now we just have to make the connections between these characters and the Landgraab family thanks to the times clues we've found, let's begin with the Gregory Landgraab:

He might be the father or brother of Kermit Landgraab (but mostly the father cause it is state that he was an modest teacher who became mysteriously rich, so we can guess that he is the start of the landgraab wealth).

Then, we have Admiral Landgraab I son of kermit and brother of Chester. We have another clue to confirm this in The Sims WA, its the "I" write at the end of his name, so he might be Admiral Malcolm Landgraab I, father of Malcolm Landgraab II in The Sims 2: OFB.

After, we have Magnus and François Landgraab: The two can be the brothers of Nancy or Malcolm Landgraab II judging by their professional activities or at least, the simple fact they are alive at the same time as them.

And now, the moment you all are waiting for... The place of Malcolm Landgraab from The Sims (console) and The Sims: BO:

In The Sims 2, a chance card from the culinary career describe Mimi and Dudley Landgraab as young rebels adults driving a sport car. We can deduce that they are the same age as Cassandra Goth, so Malcolm Landgraab should have the same age as Mortmier Goth. So Malcolm Landgraab (from the sims bo) should have parents as the age of Nancy and Geoffrey, so the father of Malcolm is Magnus or François Landgraab, and his mother is unknow like the woman with wich he had Mimi and Dudley. Mom its just another woman and HE IS NOT the father of the main player in The Sims (console) and The Sims BO cause at the start of The Sims (Console), he don't know the main player. Mom firstly call him "Mr. Landgraab the landlord".

So, here we are my dear Sims fans friends, we got the exact timeline. Todd Landgraab from Midnight Hollow might be around the same age as Daniel Pleasant cause in The Sims 2, Daniel is close to be an elder and Olive specter is close to death. In Midnight Hollow, Todd Landgraab is a young adult and Olive Specter is an adult. So Todd Landgraab can be the son of Magnus or François (but its implie they have him late in their life).

Then, I think that The Landgraabs from Lunar lakes are the descendants of Adrien or Todd Landgrabb and the Landgraabs from Oasis Landing are the descendants of the ones from Lunar Lake.

The Landegraab from The Sims Medieval are ancestors from unknow number of generations.

I hope my post was helpful, thank you reading and please, excuse me for my possible grammaticals mistakes, I'm french and Im learning English.

Actually the Magnus Landgraab chance card also appears when the great-grandchildren of SV Malcolm Landgraab and (propably Darlene Bunch or Holly Alto) are long-dead & you're in the 10th generation of playable sims in your family. Right? So he can be any generation you want. 78.15.50.94 (talk) 20:54, May 17, 2014 (UTC)