Forum:Male or female?

Recently, I have seen a lot of reverted edits (not quite an edit war) due to different opinions of the sex of some Sims. For example, the Sims Lucy Mole and Hannah Keebles. These Sims are glitched and were created early in TS2's production (or perhaps due to being created early in production). They have the appearance of females, but their sex is classified as male and they have the voice of a male.

I've seen different editors classify these Sims differently. In one case, I saw a user change the sex of the Sims to female (from male) and then be reverted to have their sex be male once again. As well, some pages simply don't have either male or female for the Sims. However, some editors will add male and be reverted.

Personally, I believe these Sims should be classified as male. SimPE classifies them as male, and their sex is male, despite having the appearance of a female. As well, I'd like to propose the addition of a possible category or something to properly classify these Sims. --Bleeh (talk!) (edits) 06:11, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
A small discussion we had on the IRC Channel. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 06:22, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with that discussion. Let´s leave age and gender empty, but write a note and explanation. Note to RoseGui: Waiting until someone leaves and reverting the edit is not good way to solve the problem. Mate1234 (talk) 10:39, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologize for that unfortunate comment; it expressed frustration on my part for your insistence in reverting the edits, but it wasn't aimed at your personally. -- RoseGui ✿ ( talk ) 11:15, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm kind of on the fence here. I think that the parameter should be kept empty, because, like the IRC discussion above, we'd have to be oblivious to all the bugs in SimPE. However, I also think that we should fill in the parameter, for consistency with the other Sim articles. ~ Waikikamukow  ( Anyone wanna chat? )  11:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with what you say! But it's kind off difficult to determinate whether we'd follow what SimPE says about them or what they look like. Though, people who don't have SimPE might be weirded out and tempted to correct if we label them as male. -- RoseGui ✿ ( talk ) 11:35, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and even with an explanation, leaving it blank might tempt some people who don't have SimPE to fill in the blank based on the Sim's appearance. I'm beginning to think we should have something to put in those fields that indicates that the appearance doesn't match the coding. Dharden (talk) 13:50, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Could we edit Sim (and related templates) to allow a sex that isn't male or female? Then we could categorize these Sims into a category, such as "Category:Sims with ambiguous genders". Of course, along with this, we'd need to have a section in the article text describing why the Sim's sex is unknown or ambiguous. I agree with what Dharden said, though - leaving it blank will just encourage people to add possibly incorrect (depending on the perspective) information later on. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 16:33, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * We already have Category:Gender confused Sims. That might not be the best name, but unless it can be done as a bot-job, renaming a category is enough of a pain that we might as well use it. Dharden (talk) 18:42, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can easily have LiRBot rename that category. I think that would be our best bet. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 19:01, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm late for the discussion, but I see that the recent edits show that gender confused Sims eventually had their gender parameter removed, which I see is the best / neutral solution. Has this discussion made its result?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I've added a section on ambiguity to our page on Gender. My suggestion is to edit Sim (and related templates) to accept the parameter of 'ambiguous' for the Sim's sex; if that parameter is given, in place of the male/female on the bio template, it would have a link to the section I've referenced above, and categorize the Sim into Category:Gender confused Sims (unless we rename the category). I think this would prevent people from later adding one gender or the other, and explains the situation to those who might be confused about the discrepancy. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 17:08, August 5, 2013 (UTC)