User talk:C.Syde65/Archive 1

Signing In
Well its good you created an account and even though you don't have good editing experience, you still could be useful for infomation about both The Sims 2 and The Sims 3. Joey.eyeball (talk) 18:38, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Headmasters
It would be relevant in an article on Headmasters as characters. I don't think we have one, but one of the options under the Contribute button is to create a page. Dharden (talk) 02:09, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

100 edits
Congratulations on 100 edits! It took me like a few months to get that. Joey.eyeball (talk) 05:05, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Create more Bluewater Village Townie pages
It's not my sole responsibility to create these townies page. Anyone is free to contribute, as long as the articles aren't poorly written. If you're willing to help create those pages, you're more than welcome to do so. I might help create them some time in the future, but that's not my main priority at the moment.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:52, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you will need SimPE in order to view the townies' in-game names because they're all randomized when you add the subhood. I forgot that part.


 * By the way, for future reference, please continue a chat or discussion on its respective section and indent the succeeding messages, instead of starting a new section. Just to let you know about that.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:46, December 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It'd probably involve looking at the Bluewater Village template (or a copy of it), exporting their images, noting personalities, interests, etc. Not all that difficult to do, but time-consuming. Dharden (talk) 13:12, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE: About Social Class Sims
Well, I hope I'm not causing misunderstanding here, but the way I see it, you considered that the game treated these townies as social class townies. Maybe it's better if I ask you here, why did you think so?

Game-wise speaking, townies and social class townies are different, and therefore, they are treated differently. Both of them are classified as townies, not NPCs. They wander around the town, become your coworkers, are safe to marry, and so on, but they're different kind of townies. One very distinct example is that only social class townies will occupy vacant apartments and roommate ads, while regular townies never will. In this case, you can't say they're treated similarly.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:52, December 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * For one thing, the Townie and NPC Maker was broken in certain EP, and it cannot create (and summon?) some NPCs and special townies properly. Townies and social class townies are in different "townie households". If you use Inge's Teleporter Cat, you will find that Belladonna Cove townies are in different households from social class townies. Each social class has household of their own, so there are 6 different townie households you can see with the teleporter.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:27, December 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's not normally possible... Do you use mods? And can you take a screenshot of it?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:12, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll just wait. Later, I'll try to check it myself.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:24, December 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I haven't tested in-game, but I did check with SimPE. Toby Siew, Glen Deppiesse, and Christopher Tsang are actually in different households from regular "townie household". So I guess you were right all along. This is a strange and inconsistent behavior for EA, since they actually included premade social class townies apart from the stealth Magic subhood. I apologize for the hassle.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:11, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Commenting uploaded zombies pictures
Thanks. :p Maybe you should wait some more when your Sim's aspiration meter is in low red. Also, just for a heads up, why don't you respond in that article's talk page? ;) It's easier to keep up with the discussion's topic on the related page, but it's just a suggestion. You're not obliged to.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  09:12, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

RE: 4 points in Sci-Fi
Oh, I certainly didn't notice it pointed out to adult townies only. I did make a check in SimPE to townies in Pleasantview. I found those who don't have 4 points in Sci-Fi are either children or teens, while most (if not all) adults do only have 4 points. Again, I didn't notice the adult part. And I guess you're right. Most adult townies have 4 points in Sci-Fi, with some exceptions like Diane Shahan. I'll put back the information, even though I'm not sure why these townies are bound to this restriction.

I edit a lot, though some edits are either minor or repeated because I usually correct things after I publish my edits and such. I don't always pay attention to edit counts though, because I think the quality of edits is more important than the quantity.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:18, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Mrs. Crumplebottom
I always check before reverting edits, but I almost always miss certain details while making the check. I admit I've been making a lot of mistakes recently. Plus, I couldn't make a thorough check since I'm in a hurry, but you could take it as my excuse.

By the way, here's what I found in SimPE. She has no personality nor sign. Where did you get the information yourself? Did you by any chance make her playable and view her personality?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:25, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * As you can see in the image, there's the normal personality points and genetic points, and both are set to 0. The way we check our game is different, so we can't conclude it... Could she possibly have her personality points randomized when she's made playable?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:32, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I doubt quitting without saving would prevent corruption, but since I don't play The Sims 2 anymore, I'm not really worried about corruption. I'll do that this evening, but thanks for the clarification.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:43, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is variable, but don't have an idea of what causes the variability. Dharden (talk) 23:09, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've checked it in my game, and it seems that if Mrs. C is made selectable, her personality points are set to be that way. I have no idea why it could be like that either.


 * I forgot to back up my objects.package, and by the time I remembered to, it was just after I made her selectable and too late. I saw my objects.package modified date has changed to today. Too bad for me.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:00, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Carpool Drivers
No, carpool drivers aren't object NPCs - they just have an incomplete character file. Please see this page for details. Some NPCs can corrupt the game if made playable, some may only corrupt the neighborhood they are in, and some can safely be made playable. Something this wiki gets tangled up and confused about, so I wrote a game guide here to try and clear things up. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 02:46, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Talk page
I noticed you removed a great deal of portion of discussions in your talk page. I'm saying here those discussions aren't just for you to read here. They also function to document topics that have been discussed. When you remove them, some replies of the messages you left from other users will be gone too. Talk pages are supposed to be always archived, unless there's a pretty good reason to remove them, like a warning message (there's no need to keep them once you understand the problem). Sure this is your talk page, but please follow the convention here.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:45, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Bluewater Village Townies
Sorry, but I don't have The Sims 2: Freetime installed yet so I can't research them with SimPE. Joey.eyeball (talk) 00:56, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Haven't all townies been listed on Bluewater Village page already? Or is it still missing some? Besides, you can view the "correct names" in SimPE, can't you?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:36, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * You should be looking for C:\Program Files\EA Games\The Sims 2 Open For Business\TSData\Res\NeighborhoodTemplate\B001\B001_Neighborhood.package. That's the original template for Bluewater Village.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:46, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Rod Humble
Actually, since you rewrote the statement, it's now clearer and there's nothing much to dispute anymore. I now see what's wrong. This is just a similar case to Mrs. CrumpleBottom, isn't it?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:24, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: No Gender Preference
OK. It's been a while since I played a hood with Bluewater (it doesn't exactly go with Strangetown), so it's been a while since I've looked at him. Dharden (talk) 13:28, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Circe Beaker
Hm, the fact that the issue is unique to her is odd, but not the fact that you could click on the path and get those "hidden options". The hidden object is the pedestrian portal, which every lot has, located two tiles away from each side of the lot on the sidewalk. This object spawns the walkbys, strays, and visitors that will ring the doorbell. I'm not sure about base game, but I do know that in later expansions/stuff packs (I have all EPs and SPs just so you know), you must enable the allmenus cheat in order to actually click on the object - otherwise it will just return with the usual "Go Here" option. You can also pick up the object using the moveobjects cheat. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 00:12, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just checked my game, which has all EPs and SPs. As K6ka stated, there's a pedestrian portal at each edge of the sidewalk. It's invisible, and you require a mod to make it visible, but you can still hover at the portal. The object is so small, you have to hover the mouse carefully. As C.Syde noted, there are 2 similar options there, but there's no obvious difference. I commanded Loki to use the first option and Nervous the second option, and they faded out and got removed from the lot. Circe, however, will only fade out but not get removed from the lot. She still stays there with her ring floating. I've done this at least three times, and the results are the same.


 * Now, I really have no idea why this only occurs to Circe. Does this happen to anyone else? I don't know. And one thing I really don't understand is how C.Syde could click the portal in the first place. It wasn't supposed to be clickable.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:38, December 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not clickable in my game, but maybe it was in the base game? Sounds ludicrous if you ask me, but there were some exploits that weren't fixed until later expansion packs/patches. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 14:11, December 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention that I used allmenus cheat... Otherwise, the object's unclickable.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:12, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Belladonna Cove Witches
All I changed was that Phoebe had all her nice points, not neat because I just played as her. --Icecream18 00:43, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

It said she lives in the neighborhood Magic before I edited the page. Check the history tab. --Icecream18 00:45, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Maternity Clothes
Nope, sorry. I have no idea how to recategorize outfits in The Sims 2. I think Wardrobe Wrangler is the tool to handle CAS outfits, but I heard it's unsupported now. SimPE might be able to do the work too, although it might be less simpler.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:57, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Revision
To undo an edit, just click the "Undo" button in the page history. To view a page's history, click on the drop-down menu beside the big green "Edit" button and select "History", or add "?action=history" behind the URL of the page. You might also want to see Help:Reverting. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 01:39, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Randomized names
IIRC, only Sims from sub-neighborhood in University, Nightlife, and Open for Business have their names randomized when the sub-neighborhoods are loaded to the main neighborhood. Past that, all Sims have their names fixed. Have you noticed that strays, garden club members, tourists, locals, hobby instructors, and social group members all have consistent names in different 'hoods?

I'm telling you this because I'd like to ask you to check the following articles whether their names are truly randomized in different games or not. I could check it myself, but I don't think I have time in the near future.
 * Witch
 * NPCs in Magic.

I'm also very sure the landlord in my old games was always Steven Butler (among the other 2 landlords).  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:16, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Battles
Mortimer Goth's immediate family, both as a child in Sims 3, and as an elder in Sims 2 - are characters who are almost guaranteed to win every popularity contest. Most Pleasantview characters, when pit against non-PV opponents, have a similar advantage.

Agnes Crumplebottom & Frida Goth are not in Mortimer's immediate family. Crumplebottom won probably because she's in Sunset Valley (Sims 3 equivalent of Pleasantview). Technically, this is the first time a "Goth" lost a battle, but it's likely because Frida is "not from Sunset Valley".

I understand why most simmers warm up fastest to PV/SV characters, as these nhoods are regular suburbs. But in my opinion, this overwhelming popularity causes an overdose of fan fiction for PV/SV, at the expense of most other premade towns. I would prefer the stakes to be more balanced, and to see more stories of Strangetown & Veronaville. Aldo Hyde  02:46, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Anyone is free to prefer any neighborhood / character they like, for any reason. I suggested this battle as an experiment, with no preference for either overall outcome.

But hopefully it's clear by now that PV characters (like Mortimer Goth's immediate family) are almost certain to win any popularity contest against non-PV characters (new SV families included).

Bear in mind that as a Strangetown/Veronaville Sims machinima director, I have one less story/machinima of my preferred neighborhoods to look forward to as a viewer. Aldo Hyde  13:17, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Renamed File
Well, from what I saw, the first thumbnail is the one from SimPE, and the second one is the one that appears in the game. I deleted the first one to make way, and renamed the second one to the first one so the file name is neater. Kinda confusing, I guess.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:20, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Gender preference
I know. But when I checked in SimPE (which I just did), he has 0.1 preference to female, but 0 for male for Remington. The opposite goes to Cara. Where exactly did you check it? I checked it in the NeighborhoodTemplate folder.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:22, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Battles
Random Ranaun is usually in charge for the battles. I haven't been around to sort things in the wiki recently, so I couldn't do that.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:50, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Repo men articles
I really don't see the point of creating the pages for each repo-men (and don't even think about social workers). They don't have names, and they can't even be interacted with, so basically the information on the page (like personality and interests) becomes meaningless. Every repo-man in The Sims 2 are pretty much identical anyway.

The same reason could also be applied to drivers, but they have unique names, so maybe they could be exceptions.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  17:50, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * You can keep the thumbnails as long as they're not unused, but what kind of information do you need to preserve? Also, I expected you might have a reason to keep the pages, but I really just need to resolve that.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:29, January 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd say they shouldn't have their own pages because they're not important, and basically their Sim information is meaningless. Every single repo-man is just the same; we can't distinguish the difference between repo-man A and repo-man B, because they're not different and can't even be interacted with. The important information about repo-men is how they function in the game, which is covered in repo-man article.


 * Merging the repo-men into an article isn't the best solution either. What page would we make? List of repo-men? Last time, most list pages are deleted because they're redundant. Not to mention there's nothing unique between those repo-men.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:18, January 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * They would be deleted, eventually.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  17:57, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

RE: User talk:188.123.230.227
Hello C.Syde65. I noticed that you bit the newcomers on User talk:188.123.230.227. Please remember that, when people first join a wiki, they may not be familiar with the policies and guidelines of the wiki, and they may not be familiar with how to edit it. Please assume good faith, and instead of sending them negative comments, be positive, link them to the policies, and politely ask them to peruse them. Also, linking them to the help pages so they can familiarize themselves with the editing tools is more helpful than simply calling someone "ignorant". Thank you. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 01:37, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Good editors don't occur overnight. Give them a few tidbits of information at a time, such as directing them to the help pages, and offering some of your own editing experiences. I know it sucks that you might have to hold their hand for a little while, but you should always be nice to the newcomers, because let's face it - you were once one too. Newcomers to a wiki are like children to this planet - they are the future. If you don't treat them well, they will not be around to maintain the wiki when you retire. Wikis are work-in-progresses, and always will be. Any help, no matter how little, is always appreciated. Also remember that "Communication is key." If there is a dispute going on, the best way to resolve it is to talk it out. Edit warring is disruptive and only fuels the fire, not extinguish it. Before calming an angry editor down, calm yourself first, then use proper etiquette towards the other editor. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 04:37, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Sims 2 Base Neighborhoods
"PV is the heart of Sims 2" because it is the sequel of Sims 1. The Goth & Pleasant families had histories in Sims 1. It makes sense for their fans to follow them to their new nhood in Sims 2: a regular suburb, with very recognizable everyday characters. I totally understand why many people easily identify with PV first.

Strangetown & Veronaville are new by comparison (having no Sims 1 equivalent), and have relatively niche themes. I actually see them both as an "added bonus" and a much-needed refreshing change from the typical "normal" suburban narrative. Aldo Hyde  13:31, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

== Empty personality == Please, don't add personality boxes for Sims with no personality points.  Mate1234 ( Chatterbox...  ) 13:34, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

It would be counter productive, not to do so. C.Syde65 (talk) 00:47, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Hair Lengths
If you want to measure the hair length of Sims, you really shouldn't compare male hair with female hair. It would be wrong, because everyone knows female's hair is generally long, and it's uncommon that male's hair could be as long as female's. Therefore, I suggest you measure hair lengths with the respective gender.

Besides, if you think that way, most female's hair would fall under long hair, and male's under short hair (which is what you're doing). Kendal Kalson's hair would be considered short for women, but long for men (like Gabriel Green). If you'd like to compare male Sims with short hair, try looking at Nathan Gavigan or Stephen Tinker.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:49, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know if Gabriel's hair is medium or long, but it's definitely not short. I'd consider Sullivan Buckingham's hair isn't short for male either, but we really have different perspective of hair length. I'd think short hair for male would be really short. Mercutio's hair would be, I don't know, not short either.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:55, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Voices
Initially (in STM 1.08), I changed both Pascal & Lazlo's voices to the gentler voice, as I thought it suited them better. The first part of STM 2.02 reflects this. When Pascal talks to Kent, it became hard to distinguish the voices, even after changing the pitch. In situations like this, the priority for "consistent voice" will have to go to the more major character. Aldo Hyde  12:55, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Grand Vampires
Sorry about the photos. I saw the life states were wrong so I tried to change them which somehow removed the images. You learn from your mistakes anyway. StartUp (talk) 08:50, January 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was fixing it up until I saw you did it already. I'm a bit new at editing anyway. StartUp (talk) 09:00, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Adoption
Yes, I am very sure of myself. Well, it happened to me with this townie and a few others that I can't remember. 100% sure. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:24, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * That is certainly odd. Maybe you changed something with SimPE? I don't even know much about it anyway. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:33, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Did you get rid of some townies? That could explain why they are randomized. And are you just talking about children? Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:40, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Um... some adopted children are randomized and others are not? *Sigh* I have no idea. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:47, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sometimes they randomize the children and other times they don't? That makes no sense either. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:55, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * I guess its another Sims mystery that will never be solved. Joey.eyeball (talk) 07:05, January 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Check out this. Joey.eyeball (talk) 23:58, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Mismatched Signs
Unlike most Sim biography categories, this particular one is added manually. There is no fanon-related category like this yet, but if it was created, it would have the name 'Category:Sims with mismatched sign (fanon).' --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 13:49, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Be bold --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 01:30, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm telling you that you don't need to ask for permission before doing things like creating categories. Creating categories is just like creating any other new page, just give it a 'category:' prefix. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 01:37, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that the template categorized them, I just assumed that it was done manually. Yeah, I can add something to the template if you want to go ahead and create the category - we have to have a category created in order to list out the articles that will be added to the category once I fix the template. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 01:46, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: User Levels
I'll go in-depth into the differences below, but to sum it up, you can generally group wiki members into two groups - admins and non-admins. It's a bit more complicated than that, though.

You are a regular user, or what's called an 'auto-confirmed user'. That means you're registered with Wikia and have made contributions to the wiki. As a regular user you can edit, upload files, create pages, create categories and templates, and edit pages that are semi-protected, as well as some other secondary benefits that I won't list out here. Rollback users have the exact same abilities as you, except they also are able to use rollback, which is a tool that allows one-click reverting of bad edits. Administrators and Bureaucrats, on the other hand, are given a lot of additional tools in order to help keep the wiki operating. For instance, administrators and bureaucrats can block and unblock users from editing, lock or unlock pages (or semi-protect them), and delete pages and files. The only difference between bureaucrats and administrators is that bureaucrats can also promote and demote other users to various positions (but cannot demote other bureaucrats).

The most important thing to remember about all of this, however, is that all users regardless of how much they are able to do, are important to the wiki and all are given equal share in making decisions and in improving the wiki. The opinion of an administrator or a bureaucrat holds no more or less weight than the opinion of a non-admin. There should be no concept of "outranking;" we're all in this together.

If you want more in-depth information about User Rights, please see User rights or talk to me or another admin. -  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 01:59, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Avatar
Thanks! That just made my day :p Joey.eyeball (talk) 08:05, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Don Lothario's fitness level
I think it is quite common but not for people like Don Lothario who has had much more effort put into them against townies and Sims from other neighborhoods. And about Daniel, I though he was top fitness. Joey.eyeball (talk) 08:11, January 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Daniel certainly looked fit when I drowned the family in the pool without saving the game (long story). Joey.eyeball (talk) 08:18, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Mrs. Crumplebottom Page
My point was that I think the simology wasn't necessary for an unplayable NPC like her, but that's just my personal opinion. You seem to think otherwise and you've stated it, so okay, I might be wrong too. Grouping her Simology into one tabber did make it tidier, so thanks.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:13, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Witches personality points
No, I don't think they're relevant at all. When they actually appear in the game, all those points become meaningless. Mentioning that their personality points are randomized is what's important.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:22, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't think you could say the randomization appears at random. A program that generates random points as expected means it works properly, but a program that generates random points at random means something's wrong with it. It should be either fixed or random, not the middle.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:25, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hal Capulet
Wonder if you saw my comment on your Hal Capulet fanon page. Aldo Hyde  13:50, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Blank Personality tables
I personally do not think that they are useless because 1. That's what you actually get when viewing them in SimPE, so it's factually correct, and 2. There's already a "Astrological Sign Mismatch" template there. Removing the personality tables would confuse readers, since they don't know what personality points the Sim has. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 22:40, January 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I thought you were asking about blank personality tables, not randomized personality tables. Though it does suit K6ka's points, that wasn't the case. I'm talking about the high witches' personality tables. Blank personality may not be unnecessary, but randomized personality is irrelevant.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:58, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't want to argue or start an edit war or what. I just wanted to point that out and that's all.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:02, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I understand your point.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:13, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * So, here's my discovery. Yesterday, I created a new neighborhood and used the default Magic stealth hood template. I let all the NPCs and townies of the stealth hood be generated there. The NPC names (butler, high witches, and landlords) are randomized, like you said. But right now, I'm checking the high witches' personalities. They're not randomized; they match what's written on the articles. The information is relevant after all! All these arguments I've made are caused by misunderstanding. I think we should both know the truth, since it was you who first thought their personalities got randomized? If that wasn't the case, then I'm sorry.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  07:23, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Break Dancer images
On the contrary. I don't really think they're necessary. Here's what I thought:
 * 1) If the article is talking about an NPC type in general, only one headshot is necessary. This is because there's no importance of adding too many headshots with no significant difference; especially if the difference is just in appearance. Take an example of newspaper deliverer. We don't flood the article with every single premade newsie that's in the game, because one general appearance of a newsie is enough to make it recognizable. It doesn't even have to be a premade one. If we can take a screenshot of the NPC in action instead of a headshot, that would be even better!
 * 2) If the article is about a specific premade Sim, that's when each headshot is important. Examples of this are the high witches, grand vampires, DJs, chefs, servers, gypsy matchmakers, and many other NPC Sims. If we have a Sim article for each break dancer, then all three headshots are needed.

However, that doesn't mean the article for each break dancer is needed. If we create the Sim article, what kind of information would be added? They don't have unique names, and even though they have Simology points, what good are they for? Sims cannot interact with them, and attempting to actually interact with them will only harm the game. The difference of each NPC is just their appearance, which brings us back to the beginning of this topic. Just because their appearances are slightly different, doesn't mean they're all needed.

On the subject of fanon media, don't worry about it. Unused fanon media is periodically maintained. They'll eventually be deleted if they're not used.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:28, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Note: Engaging in discussions in edit summaries
Hello. I noticed that on Unborn baby Monty, you and another editor were engaging in discussions in edit summaries, along with a revert of each other's edits. Such actions are generally seen as a form of edit warring. Next time, if another contributor reverts your edit and you are not sure why, contact them via their talk page instead of using edit summaries. Thanks, and have a good day. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 04:19, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Rollback
Hey, I've approved your request for rollback. You're also allowed to use level 1 and 2 warnings via the Warning template. For more information, check the template documentation. Congrats and good luck! :) 16:46, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Apartment Stairs
It's not that I doubt your observation or experience in the game. At the fist glance, I don't understand the phrase "had trouble using the apartment stairs," as it has an ambiguous meaning. By "clarify", it means maybe the statement needs to be re-explained so that it will be clearer to the readers. Maybe it would be something like "It has been noted that Sims might be occasionally unable to use the spiral staircase, as if something is blocking in their way."  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:43, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Grim Reaper's Simology
I moved the Simology tabber up because that's where Simology tabber is usually placed. Or at least, it shouldn't be way in the bottom, even under the gallery and trivia. I think placing it under The Sims 2 would be suitable. What do you think?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:02, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Archived your talk page
Hey C.Syde65. I noticed that you removed some messages from your talk page. This is perfectly fine, but a much better solution would be to archive your talk page. I have archived the two discussions you removed. If you need help, feel free to contact me! K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 03:22, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * To archive your talk page, you should follow the instructions on this page. The only difference is that you use a different template than the one shown on the said page, and that you MUST enter Source mode to properly archive your page (Visual mode is too messy). To enter source mode, click on the "Source" tab at the top of the editor. I've already added the template on your talk page - if you want to edit it or find the source code, enter source mode and copy the code.


 * Generally, to archive a talk page you should create a sub-page of talk page (which i've already done for you), for example: "User_talk:C.Syde65/Archive 1". After that page has a lot of discussions in it, create a second subpage called "User_talk:C.Syde65/Archive 2", add a link to that page in the archive box, and carry on. The maximum capacity that each archive page can hold is up to you.


 * To archive discussions, simply open up the main talk page, enter Source mode, select the conversations you want to archive (they'll be divided into level 2 headings, which look like this in source mode: ==Heading 2== ), and cut (Ctrl+X) them out. Then go to the archive page and simply paste (Ctrl+V) them in. Add at the top of the archive page, and hit publish. You're done!


 * You can also play around with rollback here. Make a few edits and then click on "Rollback" in the page history.


 * If you have any more questions, contact me again. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:24, February 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually I don't think its possible to rollback your own edits, I already tried with my sandbox. Joey.eyeball (talk) 02:38, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can rollback your own edits. The reason why your experiment didn't work is because rollback reverts all consecutive edits by one user to the last revision not made by that user. The reason why your experiment in your sandbox didn't work is because you were the only contributor to that page. Rollback can't revert a page that only one person edited, because there's nothing to revert to. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 03:34, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Correct! C.Syde65 (talk) 08:03, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've archived all but the most recent discussions. Let me know if you need anything. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:45, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Permanently Blocked Users
It's still their userpage. Indefinite blocks are not infinite blocks. Users can still be unblocked (and reblocked) at any time. Good admins should allow blocked users to edit their talk page so they can contest or appeal a block, as is the policy on Wikipedia (a lot of admins on other wikis make this horrible mistake). Also, the only reason why a userpage should be deleted is 1. Author's request or 2. If it contains offensive or inappropriate material.

User talk pages are almost never deleted, as seen here. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 13:00, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if local wiki admins can actually delete a user page or user talk page. I would expect that that may be reserved for Wikia staff. Dharden (talk) 14:38, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is possible for local admins to delete someone's user page or user talk page. I deleted someone's user page here. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 20:54, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Caliente sisters headshots
Are Nina and Dina's headshots in your fanon altered or those are extracted from their original appearances? If they're original, I'd like to ask if they can be used for the canon Nina and Dina's headshots. The current ones are smaller than they usually are.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:59, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I thought those are originals. If you could, I'd be thankful. I just didn't have time to do that myself. Also, I correct myself. Only Dina needs her headshot replaced. Joey added her headshot but it was shrunk to 200x200. Not that it really matters, but it's just inconsistent.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:17, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks! Don't worry about the unused images. They'll be deleted eventually.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:29, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Battles
It should be fixed. The problem was that one of the voters had a line-break between their vote and their sig, and that was being read as the end of the sequence. So, votes after that were numbered as being part of a new sequence. Dharden (talk) 14:30, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Blond VS Blonde
It has come to a conclusion that the term "blond" is preferably used for male and gender-neutral context, and "blonde" for female. While this isn't enforced, meaning if an article uses the term "blonde" throughout the context we may leave it as it is or change it, changing the term from "blond" to "blonde" is discouraged. This isn't wrong at all, but doing so means that we change the term into a less-specific context. tl;dr: The usage of "blond" for male is already specific and correct, so why change it to "blonde"?

I'm saying this because you seem to inconsistently change the term "blond" to "blonde" in some Sims, such as Loki Beaker and some others, but sometimes not.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:44, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Facial Hair
Oh, sorry! I didn't notice that he had sideburns, and I think they do count as facial hair as well. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:27, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Witch Doctor
I'll try and upload the image myself, once I have time to open up SimPE, since SimPE performs quite poorly on my machine. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 02:56, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Preceding unsigned comment
To sign an unsigned comment, you need to go into the page history and figure out who left the comment. Once you know who it is, copy their username, edit the page, and add username. For example:

This game sucks —Preceding unsigned comment added by K6ka (talk • contribs) 00:00 1 January 2014 (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

Here's the link to the actual template.

K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:04, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Edit on the Sims FreePlay
Good job there - I was at taekwondo when you made that revert. There's no need to tell anyone though - if it's blatant and obvious vandalism, revert without question.

Here's another tip - consider warning the vandal on their talk page after they made their edit. As is the custom on Wikipedia, warning vandals lets them know that their edits are being monitored and that they should probably stop. Sometimes a simple warning is all it takes to get someone to stop.

To warn a vandal, add to their talk page. If the vandal is an IP editor (i.e. is not logged in), add |ip=a to the template. If the vandal already has a level 1 warning, add |type=vandal2 to the template. So for an IP editor that has a level 1 warning and vandalized after the first warning, add. See the template itself for more information on how to use it. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 01:37, February 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Always warn when possible, even if it's clear the editor won't stop. That way, it prevents them from saying "But you didn't tell me this was wrong!" and it allows us to say "Don't say we didn't warn you, cause we did!" K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 02:13, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: School Grade
Just to make it clear (hopefully you don't think it this way), I changed the Clarify template to Confirm because it's more appropriate to use this one; and I changed it not because I doubted you. :) I always say this because when you bring up the discussion topic to someone's talk page, it implies that the discussion is intended particularly to that someone. Maybe next time you should bring up a discussion onto the article's talk page, unless you actually intend to point it out to someone in particular.

I'm not really sure about this glitch though. Children's grades are the same as adults' career performance, which is gained depending on their mood when they arrive at school / work. If the cheat somehow affects children's grades, theoretically it's supposed to affect adults' career performance too. I never heard career performance had any issues though, but I don't know it myself. It's just my theory.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  15:21, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Userbox
Hey, you seem to be pretty confident with making userboxes, so I was wondering if you could create a userbox for people who have SimPE? Joey.eyeball (talk) 07:44, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe with the SimPE logo/title. Joey.eyeball (talk) 07:47, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Umm... the icon? Joey.eyeball (talk) 07:53, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I already made one myself. Here it is if you want to use it.

Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:50, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Undoing revisions
Hi, why did you undo the revision on Holly Alto's article? She is likely based on Meadow Soprano and there is no character called Autumn on the Sopranos... -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stella terrano (talk • contribs) - Please sign your comments with ~

Re: Gray World
After reading your Kingston Starker Fanon page, I see what you mean by your gameplay being more unambiguously black or white. Your Brandi Broke, the "complete opposite" of Kingston, would then be a moral paragon.

Many characters fit the profile of "bad, but not evil". They usually have at least one (but not too many) of the following traits:

Inappropriate, Hot-Headed, Grumpy, Mean-Spirited (not an exhaustive list).

"Evil" characters are those who make others suffer because they enjoy seeing other people suffer (ie. "Fiendishly delighted" moodlet of the "Evil" trait).

As for General Grunt, his alien xenophobia is only justifiable to some extent -- as much as the uncertainty of the alien agenda. To me, Grunt represents "rigid formal regimentation" and the obsession of forcing these standards on others. Though I do not fancy his sort of character, I have taken care not to portray him as a tyrant. In my show, Grunt the "control freak" has ironically given the control of his own fate into other people's hands...

You consider Albany to be "bad" due his excessive feuding? He does give me a bit of the General Grunt vibe, to be honest.

It's not always easy to "sort" characters clearly into clear categories of good/neutral/evil. Most of them are somewhere along a continuum. Aldo Hyde  07:07, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Hairstyles
Early before, the Category:Sims with curly hair only contains Sims with hairstyle like Jennifer Burb's, and mainly females. Of course no one ruled out that the category is exclusive to women only, and neither did I. Personally, I'd prefer to just add Abhijeet to Category:Sims with short hair and add Sims with hairstyle like Sabastian or Jared Starchild to afro hair if there's such category. But if you think it suits him well, that's fine.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:40, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: PT9 Abduction Video
Just saw the PT9 video. The concept is interesting, but the video pacing is not so good - the uploader should have edited out some parts. The uploader didn't continue the "story", with PT9 and Jenny both pregnant.

Wonder if you saw this one ;)  Sims 2 Karaoke Craze

About the STM Makeovers: Thanks :)

Aldo Hyde  09:09, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Userbox
Hey!, I've finished the userbox you've requested and it's posted on the userboxes page for you to use! Sorry it took so long! :) Star ಠ_ಠBee  13:21, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Typing Mistakes
I didn't mean to link to your page. Usually I'm really careful with that, making sure to add (TS3) at the end. I was in such a hurry to get her page up, that I totally forgot. LOL, I swear it'll get so much easier when I get further in the legacy. I'll choose names I know no one else has. WayfinderOwl (talk) 04:53, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Karaoke
Have you experimented with the karaoke machine in Sims 2 Nightlife? As in, sims of different creativity levels and voice types.

I suddenly realized you only have the Base Game, Uni, NL, OFB & Apt Life... no other EP in between :o  But you have almost everything for Sims 3... Since you have S3 Showtime, does its karaoke machine have significant differences from S2? Aldo Hyde  09:56, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Check out this YT Channel for Sims 3 Showtime Karaoke.

Karaoke Duet #5, #6 ; Solos #1, #2 and Oogie Fever are definitely the same songs as Sims 2 Nightlife. Aldo Hyde  16:33, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Disappearing Graves & Game Corruption (Sims 2)
SimPE can probably do the job, but it's much easier to use the HoodChecker instead. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 01:39, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Signatures
To customize your signature, go to Special:Preferences. There's a section called "Signature". If you want the whole thing to be one link to your userpage, uncheck "I want to use Wikitext" in my signature." If you want to have more customization (ex. include more links to different pages), check the box. The above will be treated as Wikitext (the text in Source mode). Keep in mind that your signature should include at least one link to your userpage. Not including it is typically seen as obstructive. Also keep in mind that signatures are global - meaning that the same signature is used around Wikia. Since signatures are substituted, changing your signature won't change existing ones. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 10:53, April 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * No? Well, you can always go into source mode and look at other people's signatures. I'm not an HTML whiz, but a Google search should bring you somewhere. I found this tutorial that explains how to make colourful text using HTML. This page should also provide some tips. Oh, by the way administrators automatically have light green text for links to their userpage, dark green for bureaucrats, and blue for bots. Have fun! --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 10:53, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry for the late reply, but as always, K6ka was there to cover me. Anyway, do you still have struggle customizing your signature? I can help you explain how to make one if you want to.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:22, April 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Go to Special:Preferences, to the Signature section under the My Info tab. There, you can see the Custom Signature text box. Filling in this box will change your signature, but after that, don't forget to press the save button at the bottom of the page.


 * Now, there are two ways to change your signature. The first is a simple text change, by leaving the "I want to use wikitext in my signature" unchecked. Currently, your signature is C.Syde65 (talk). If you input basic text into the text box, like, your signature will change into Hello, it's me! (talk).


 * The second one is less simpler. By checking the "I want to use wikitext in my signature" box, you can customize your signature like mine. You can change the font size, font typeface, font style, font color, add shades, make it reflect, and so on. I'll pause here to make sure you're still following me, because I'm not sure which part you're having trouble with. I just want to ask one question to you before we continue. Are you familiar with Source Editor while editing a page, or you've always used the Visual Editor all this time?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:11, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay then. You should try to get used to Source Editor and get familiar with source coding. Just an advice. After you check the box, you should now put the source code of your signature in the text box. The simple code like below will produce your regular signature, and I guess you already know it.

C.Syde65 (talk)
 * C.Syde65 (talk)


 * Now, if you want to color your signature, you should add the following HTML tag to your signature to customize it. Or maybe you want to make it italics, so I added two apostrophes there.

 C.Syde65  ( talk</font)
 *  C.Syde65  ( talk )


 *  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:23, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Mention of me as owner of a Fanon on a talk page
The fanon page, Sandi Reaper, was not done by me but by Freedom50000. You mentioned on 50.173.253.195's talk page that it was my fanon. You might have gotten me mixed up because 86.21.53.138 had edited my fanon page, David Harper, which you left the same message on that person's talk page. Icemandeaf (talk) 01:12, April 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Icemandeaf (talk) 01:39, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Rollback/Revert
It probably wasn't your intention, but you performed rollback on an edit that was not vandalism (diff). In the future, it would be best to look carefully at the diff and verify that the edit is not vandalism. If it isn't, but it still needs to be reverted, use the Undo function of manually revert the edit and explain in the edit summary. If you do accidentally use rollback on a constructive edit (it happens), quickly revert your own edit using the "Undo" function and explain that it was a mistake. Thanks. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 11:09, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: My Karaoke Vocal Duets
Earlier, you commented that the Monty Siblings' duet was "still not very good", despite it being the Creativity 8-10 version. So I'm not quite sure what you mean by these various pairs being "fine", despite their low-medium Creativity scores.

For me, the best way to depict such gameplay is to upload videos. Will you be comfortable recording them, then uploading them to YT using your pseudonym?

Anyway, I think the worst (0-3) versions are funnier than the medium (4-7) versions ;)

Aldo Hyde  15:49, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

It's easier to re-record karaoke gameplay than to make machinima ;)

But it's up to you if you're comfortable creating a pseudonymous account for uploading to YT.

One other benefit of a YT acct is the ability to send PM, since the Wikia doesn't seem to offer that.

Aldo Hyde  12:26, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Various Messages about STM
Beards are allowed in every career field in all my Sims Universes.
 * Haircuts are optional for everyone, male or female, in all my Sims Universes, prison inmates included.


 * Loki & Circe's long hair shows the passage of time. Yet at the same time, it appears somewhat comic, as they are a close couple who somehow end up looking alike. Loki's shaved face may be temporary, because he is a fugitive who wishes to escape detection.


 * Kent Capp & Nick Grimm don't particularly have anything in common in STM. So even if they meet on-screen, their exchanges may not be as significant as the ones between Kent & Vidcund.

Aldo Hyde  15:49, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kent comments on the "Veronaville Afterlife" in STM 2.01. Viewers wondered about the whereabouts of the teens. But the show's focus is really on the living residents.

By this logic, you'll probably interpret Antonio Monty and Cornwall Capp as "senior figures" too.

In STM, I made Antonio the youngest that he could feasibly be, as I wanted him and Bianca to be very close in age. I've always thought of Kent as the youngest of his generation, sharing the same birth year as Bianca (it simply didn't make sense to me for Cordelia Capp and Claudio Monty to be the youngest). In that sense, I narrowed the gap between Antonio and Kent, to portray them more like equals.

In STM, Nick Grimm (Nervous Subject) is almost 50 years younger than Olive Specter, and about 10 years younger than Bianca & Kent.

Aldo Hyde  12:26, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Welcome Back
Yeah, I only had one opportunity to go on the internet at the library and that was for my homework. But I decided to take a quick visit on The Sims Wiki. Joey.eyeball (talk) 06:29, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Your joke on your userpage
I noticed you removed a joke on your userpage because you thought it was impolite. I personally find it hilarious. I don't think it was necessarily impolite; while it was indeed embarrassing to clumsily trip an edit filter, I take it as a token of learning, and I indeed shared it with other people. Feel free to put it on your userpage. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 01:17, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Safely transferring saved game data
In general, EA recommends that you install the expansions and stuff packs in this order:
 * The Sims 2™ (or Sims 2 Deluxe, Sims 2 Double Deluxe or Sims 2 Holiday Edition, whichever you have)
 * University (or University Life Collection)
 * Nightlife (disregard if you have Sims 2 Deluxe or Double Deluxe)
 * Christmas Party Pack (US) OR Holiday Party Pack (UK)
 * Open for Business or Best of Business Collection
 * Family Fun Stuff or Fun with Pets Collection
 * Glamour Life Stuff
 * Pets (disregard if you have Fun with Pets Collection)
 * Happy Holiday Stuff (Disregard if you have Sims 2 Holiday Edition)
 * Seasons
 * Celebration Stuff (disregard if you have Double Deluxe)
 * H&M Fashion Stuff (disregard if you have Best of Business Collection)
 * Bon Voyage
 * Teen Style Stuff (disregard if you have University Life Collection)
 * FreeTime
 * Kitchen & Bath Interior Design Stuff (disregard if you have Best of Business Collection)
 * IKEA Home Stuff (disregard if you have University Life Collection)
 * Apartment Life
 * Mansion & Garden Stuff (disregard if you have Fun with Pets Collection)

I've read on MTS that some users do not get glitches when they install the EPs and SPs out of order (I posted the aforementioned link and got downvoted pretty badly, so apparently a lot of people don't get glitches). The install order was recommended by EA, so they're probably right... well, considering they've screwed up 80% of the game I can understand why some people disregard this page completely.

From what you've posted on my talk page, your latest game engine is Apartment Life (you didn't list Mansion & Garden Stuff there, so I assume you don't have that pack). Basically, each expansion pack comes with a new game engine to run the game, and they make irreversible changes to your saved games in order to run them. Sims 2 Saved Games are not backwards compatible, meaning that if you install Apartment Life, load, play, and save a neighborhood with that expansion pack installed, and then uninstall Apartment Life, previous game engines will be unable to read that file. If you installed Pets and Seasons, play a hood, then uninstall Seasons, any neighborhoods that were created/played with Seasons cannot be read by the Pets game engine. All previous EPs cannot read it either. However, if you installed Bon Voyage or a later expansion pack, I think it might work - don't count on that one, though. In short, back up your saved games before uninstalling an expansion pack, unless you're a "Want All Always" guy like me. The game's uninstaller will automatically delete your saved games when uninstalling an expansion pack, since they will be useless to the game anyways.

Stuff packs also ship with a copy of an expansion pack's game engine. This is where it gets really complicated. If you have no expansions, then install Family Fun Stuff, your game will use the Open for Business game engine, even though you don't have OfB installed. This also means you will be using the "Open for business version" for mods you download, as some mods need to be recreated or tweaked with each new expansion pack. A list of stuff packs and the game engine they come with can be found here.

In your situation, I would recommend that you install all the expansions and stuff packs you have in the order EA recommends you to (you can disregard anything that you don't have). Your saved games should work just fine. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 02:30, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would recommend re-writing them. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 10:53, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Basically, yes. If you have had problems with installing older EPs with newer ones installed, then you should install all of them in order. Install all your EPs in the order mentioned above in one go (might take some time). Then install the patches for all the EPs and the Family Fun Stuff pack (it does not matter what order you do this in). Then copy your saved game data from your old computer to the current one you're using. That's pretty much the only thing I can say, if you want to have all expansions/stuff packs that you own installed. --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 00:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)