Talk:Power (aspiration)

the icon should be removed power has no iconThelamppost 20:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, Lamp. I added a delete tag. Since A morris is apparently on, she should delete it. Sparrowsong 20:53, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why did they remove this?
but really does anyone know why they removed this? i think it would be a cool Aspiration!

If anyone knows why its removed please let me know(i doubt it that someone knows why but its worth a shot) TheRichie2 (talk) 11:32, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * It got merged with Fortune, I think. Luigis1upstand (talk) 09:43, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sims with Power aspiration
This has to end. Simply because a Sim doesn't have an aspiration (or aspiration with no icon), it doesn't mean they have the Power aspiration. Like I said in Talk:Grim Reaper:

I don't want to risk my game by moving in the Grim Reaper, but here's what I think. As you know, there are a total of 8 possible, non-broken aspirations in game, including Grow Up. In SimPE, you can assign Sim's aspiration, and there are 9 choices, the other one is "None." From what I get, when you set Sim's aspiration to Power with Sim Modder, it will have no icon, just like some other Sims who don't have aspirations. IMO, some of the old edits refer Sims with no aspiration to have Power aspiration (like Ron Condor), but I think they simply don't have aspiration, just like the other Sims. Nikel Talk – Vote! 10:52, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Unless anyone rebuts, I say they don't have any aspirations.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:35, June 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * In the game files and values you can access via SimPE, there are multiple signs that there indeed was once a Power aspiration. KindGenius (talk) 16:17, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, but it doesn't mean that they "no icon" aspiration is Power.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:36, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Power added back to sims with no aspirations?
Mate1234 is adding Power back to sims with no aspirations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were supposed to not have any aspiration, right? Again, if I'm wrong just let me know. Luigis1upstand (talk) 10:13, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought so too, but it seems we're at a roadblock concerning Power Sims. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 15:17, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Before any further edit about Sims with Power aspiration, I want him to discuss about it first here. We've never been able to tell if Sims can even have this aspiration. I mean, we can't even distinguish Sims with Power and no aspiration.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  08:55, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

They actually have Power aspiration.
Ok, this is why do I think that they have that aspiration. I like experimenting with my game. I have created some Sims and gave them Power aspiration via Sim Modder. I also wanted to customize their memories with SimPe. I´m using Sim Browser to easily find those Sims (who have Power aspiration). When I clicked on Career tab, SimPe didn´t recognize their aspiration (SimPe isn´t made by Maxis, it´s made by the player, I have found that on ModTheSims), it was Nothing, just like Julius Caesar or Ron Condor. Also, if you resurrect Julius and age him back to adult, his aspiration level will usually be Cold fish, just like my Sims. And I have added Grim to my family, and he was Cold fish. So, please, stop doing this to me. Mate1234
 * When I resurrected Julius Caesar, his aspiration level was "Dirty Old Woman". Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 22:24, June 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Correct, it´s aspiration level for elders. And sims without aspiration cannot have aspiration level or lifetime wish. So, what do you think now? Mate1234
 * We really needed explanations like this all along, like how you discovered that they have the Power aspiration. Are you sure this discovery is legit? I mean, how can you tell the difference between Sims with no aspiration and Power aspiration?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:28, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, Sims without aspiration won´t have any wants or even aspiration level, though Power Sims just have missing aspiration icon. Can I now recreate Power Sims category and put Sims with Power aspiration there? Mate1234


 * And, can you delete Sims with no aspiration category? There are 2 reasons:
 * 1. In The Sims 2 and EP-s and SP-s, there aren´t any Sims without aspiration;
 * 2. When I saw that category, I have almost threw my laptop. Mate1234


 * Settle down, because this is pretty much new finding... or just rather odd. From your finding, does it mean you've never seen any Sims with actually no aspiration? You said there aren't any Sims without aspiration, so how did you know the difference?


 * Also, let's say if those Sims with allegedly no aspiration actually has the Power aspiration. This is a little difficult to understand if you have to rephrase and edit every single Sim that they actually have that hidden aspiration. Common readers might be confused because they're more easily recognized to have "no aspiration" due to the lack of icon. I think, it's better to mention in this article that "Sims who have no icon in their aspiration, in fact, have the Power aspiration, instead of no aspiration" or something. It's like syllogism afterwards.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:55, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, Sims who have aspiration will have wants and fears related to their aspiration. And I have used SimPe to resurrect all Sims from Sims with no aspiration category. They had some wants from Popularity and Fortune. I haven´t seen any Sim with no wants or fears. What should I do then? Mate1234


 * Sims with no wants and fears have no relation to the specific aspiration. You just need to wait until the wants re-roll, by using batbox for example. It may also be possible that those Fortune and Popularity wants are common wants? What are the example wants and fears? Do the wants have the "burst" icon on some specific wants like in the image?


 * This also makes me suspect that the Power aspiration itself is the same as no aspiration at all... There has to be a distinguishable difference between these two, or they're the same.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:22, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Power aspiration rolls wants and fears from Fortune and Popularity. Read more here: Power aspiration. If you don´t trust me, here is example: resurrect Julius and spawn SimModder. First, check his asp. level, which will usually be "Dirty Old Woman". Then, with SimModder find Power aspiration and click on it. Nothing will change because he already has it. Mate1234
 * I know, you've said that. Personally, I can't really rely on that article because I'm not sure about its validity. But that's just a personal matter. Anyway, from what I understand, that almost means that either there's no Sims with no aspiration or no Sims with Power aspiration. This leads me to conclusion that "no aspiration" and "Power" are the same? Power can completely be cut to no attributes at all, don't you think?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:11, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that having Sims with no aspiration is impossible, or, if it´s possible, they will probably have no aspiration bar because there are no wants to fulfill. I think it´s best to edit all Sims with Power asp. and, if anyone asks me or you  to prove it, I have the answer which is true. Mate1234


 * Hmm... What makes you so sure that these Sims have the Power aspiration, instead of no aspiration? I think having no aspiration makes more sense than having a dangling cut aspiration.


 * Also, "no wants" is not related to aspiration. Sometimes, townies and NPCs also have blank wants even though they do have aspiration. Their wants will re-roll after they're made playable some time.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  17:19, June 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, when you try to give those sims power asp. via SimModder, nothing will change because they already have it. And they have aspiration level such as Cold fish, or Don Juan(plantium). Mate1234
 * I should probably note that some Sims that are said to have no aspiration in SimPE actually have the Power aspiration. However, this does not mean that OTHER Sims listed with no aspiration actually have one.
 * Example of a Sim listed in SimPE as having no aspiration but is a Power Sim:
 * Julius Caesar
 * Example of a Sim listed in SimPE as having no aspiration and this true:
 * Yves Jacquet
 * Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 02:43, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ѧüя◎ґ, I´m sorry to dissapoint you, but I have resurrected all potential ´no aspiration Sims´, and they had same case as Julius Caesar, they had asp. level, such as ˝Cold Fish˝ (adults), and ˝Dirty old woman˝ (elders), including all deceased Jacquets, so, they have Power aspiration. Mate1234
 * Seems I was mistaken. Thanks for clearing that up. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 09:38, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can I edit all Power Sims properly, and put them in Power Sims category? Mate1234 (talk) 11:03, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've heard you saying the resurrected Sims having the "Cold Fish" or "Dirty Old Woman" moniker as proof of their aspiration over and over. I'm sorry, but that doesn't prove really much. It's more of an "example" because you can't tell the difference from Sims with no aspiration. You say "All Sims listed with no aspiration actually have Power aspiration". I can say "All Sims with no aspiration have no aspiration, and choosing Power aspiration with Sim Modder will unset someone's aspiration instead of the hidden aspiration, even though it looks like you set their aspiration to Power, but it is not". There's clearly no difference between Power and no aspiration.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  10:11, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * You think there is no differrence. Ok, then I can edit no asp. Sims and write that they are Power Sims (which is true, if you don´t think so, give me an example of Sim with no asp. bar or asp. level). Mate1234 (talk) 12:33, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * There, you give the same example again, and not proof.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  11:49, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * And you say that there is no difference between no asp. and Power. It´s not true. Sim with no asp. cannot have asp. level. (Family sims have Solid Provider,  etc, Romance Sims have Hopeless romantic, Love machine,etc, and so.) Then Power Sims have Cold fish, Don Juan (for plantium), etc. And give me an example of sim with no asp. level, please. Mate1234 (talk) 12:55, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, first I agreed with you Mate1234, but Nikel's last comment is actually quite clever. What if the Power aspiration indeed changes the aspiration to no aspiration? In casse of Yves Jacquet for example, he might have the I love potatoes aspiration,who was cut and removed before the games release, leaving the Sim with no aspiration? Because he has no aspiration (like Julius Caesar it might look like he has the Power aspiration, but why can't it be the I love potatoes-aspiration we know nothing about? Just because we know more about the Power aspiration it's more likely to assume it's that aspiration, but what if they just both don't have any aspiration? Which makes them a Cold Fish or Dirty Old Lady?  Tiezel     (talk)     curious?   11:58, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I can't give an example, because I myself think they have that moniker because they have no aspiration. Who knows that "Cold Fish" might be the default moniker if there's no aspiration? We both agree that these Sims have one thing in common. We only argue either they have Power or none.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:07, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is one example for my proof.
 * 1. Resurrect Yves (or any potential no aspiration Sim).
 * 2. Look at his aspiration bar. Since he is an adult, he will usually have Cold fish level. If it is higher, it will be Hopeless romantic or Don Juan.
 * 3. Spawn SimModder and try to give him Power asp. Nothing will change because he already has it. He will still be Cold fish, Hopeless romantic or Don Juan. Mate1234 (talk) 13:07, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I get your point. One thing. Can you rebut my arguments or state why they are false instead of proving you're right? I mean, without comparing with the "Cold Fish" moniker. Maybe something like, "Having no aspiration will crash the game," instead of "Sims can't have no aspiration because they have 'Cold Fish' moniker." -  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) "Who knows that "Cold Fish" might be the default moniker if there's no / invalid / any more removed aspirations?"
 * 2) "Why Sims have to have aspiration, and no possibility to not have them? Having no aspiration makes more sense instead of dangling, cut aspiration"

It looks that you didn´t read my last proof''. 3. ''Nothing will change because he already has it. He will still be Cold fish, Hopeless romantic or'' Don Juan. ''Mate1234 (talk) 13:31, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, did you try removing his aspiration? So if you remove his aspiration, will it change? And you didn't state why I was wrong.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:38, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I used SimModder and gave him reputation asp. Then I openned him in SimPe. It was set as Reputation. Then I set it as Nothing, and there was Cold fish. I maximized his asp and he was Don Juan. Mate1234 (talk) 13:45, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * That seems legitimate... After all, I can't really defend my arguments and I can't rebut you any further. I still haven't accepted the validity of the aspiration yet, but who knows, you might be right or not, I don't know. Go ahead then.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  12:54, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Finally. Thanks a lot.  Mate1234 (talk) 13:59, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, one more thing. Please don't say "unusually," since many Sims have this aspiration... which makes it common instead of unusual. Just leave it out like "She has the Power aspiration."  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:52, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Page icons
This has been brought up before, but nothing seems to have happened about it. The page is conflicting with itself. It says it has no icon, yet there is an icon on the page. I think we should at least put a note that the icon isn't official at least, or maybe even remove it completely. Luigis1upstand (talk) 17:35, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * A note has been added on where the hidden icon image is found. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 18:44, June 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I still don't see where the icon is. There's a link to this page, if that was what you were talking about.  Luigis1upstand (talk) 19:37, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Auror meant it can only be found in SimPE. I don't remember what file it came from. You see, in that file, there are icons of each aspiration, and then there's this one; an unrecognized aspiration icon. I think that's just simply the reason why we put up the icon here. There's no other proof if that icon does belong to this aspiration.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  15:42, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I see now. Thanks. I&#39;m Luigis1upstand. Hi. (talk) 08:29, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Alyssa Girl - April 11

Oh! I knew this Aspiration! My little sister hack the cheat before and used it on some guy she brought back from the grave name Todd. It's nothing more then a aspiration used for things you can't see unless you die on death. It's like a Gods mode thing. When she was being the guy, on his rewords he could contacted the Grim Reaper. It was weird. Nothing really special about it. The guy she was being (Todd) his goals hr did wanted 3 kids to graduate school, and something about playing chest. It was like all aspiration into one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alyssa girl (talk • contribs) 16:50, April 11, 2015‎ (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

Power Aspiration vs "No Aspiration"
Hi, I've noticed quite a few Sims who internally have no set aspiration (IE Pollination Technician, as well as a few bugged pre-deceased Sims from the base game, are listed as having Power instead. Is there any particular reason this is the case? Since setting Power through cheats instead defaults to no aspiration is there any way of being sure that these Sims actualy have this aspiration? 92.10.33.82 (talk) 14:31, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * The Power aspiration and "No aspiration" are the same thing. There isn't any difference. So they should still be listed as having the Power aspiration. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 20:40, May 18, 2017 (UTC)

Is Power simply being used to (inaccurately) describe lack of aspiration? From a technical standpoint they are the same thing, sure. If you give a Sim Power through the Sim Modder it sets it to Nothing in SimPE, a trait which is shared by universal Sims and those lacking character data. No aspiration rolls wants randomly from Reputation and Romance. I realize it may be a stylistic choice to categorize them this way more than anything at this point, if Power is being used to refer to Sims with no aspiration data. From a factual standpoint, however, it is not the case that Sims such as the Reaper, deceased premades etc. were designed with this aspiration.

You can of course argue (I have seen this topic discussed before) that this is all conjecture, and nobody really knows for sure what went on during development, but surely Occam's razor would apply in such a situation. I'm not suggesting it all be changed or anything after all this time, just found it a bit odd that Sims lacking character data are instead described as having a scrapped aspiration which has little to do with their data. Whilst there is seemingly no difference within the game itself,listing them as power instead of no aspiration isn't quite accurate. I would maybe suggest that some information be added to this page eventually to improve the accuracy a little bit, but of course you all have the final say in the matter. 79.71.174.16 (talk) 20:58, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Anybody can see for themselves in SimPe that nothing and power do not share the same aspiration value and because of that are not essentially the same and should not be treated as such. To check aspiration values, go into SimPe, go to sim browser and find any sim with a supposed power aspiration or unknown aspiration, then click more, then click extended browser, then scroll down until you see a line in the left panel that says "00000068; 0x002E: Aspiration", then on the same line in the right panel you'll see a panel with a value. These are the values of all aspirations, I'm going to list them in decimal form as it's a little easier to understand than binary or hexadecimal:


 * nothing: 0 - Used by Knut Futa, Patrick Jones, Vicki Sims, Melissa Sims, Luc Smith, Therapist (NPC), Grim Reaper (NPC), Pollination Technician (NPC), Hula Zombie (NPC).
 * Romance: 1
 * Family: 2
 * Fortune: 4
 * Unknown?: 8 - Used by Julius Caesar, Stephano Arlecchino, Momentilla Bramble, Judith Dottore.
 * Popularity: 16
 * Knowledge: 32
 * Grow-Up: 64

I can't check Grilled Cheese, Pleasure and Power at the moment as I only have the base game installed presently but I do know they all have different values, can someone please check for me? To check Power just change a sims aspiration to power using Sim Modder, save the game then follow the process I listed above.

Global NPC's use no aspiration because they're not technically sims, it's why they also seem to have no character data. Sims such as Vicki Sims, Melissa Sims, Knut Futa, etc. all have no aspiration because of unintentional data loss. As for the Veronaville sims, I'm not sure... Veronaville is possibly the oldest of all neighborhoods (maybe second to Tutorial) and has a lot of leftover data from earlier game builds. MARINAXCX (talk) 05:50, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

Update:

Here are the last three aspirations:


 * Power: 8 - Confirmed that Julius Caesar, Stephano Arlecchino, Momentilla Bramble and Judith Dottore all have the Power aspiration.
 * Grilled Cheese: 100
 * Pleasure: 128

MARINAXCX (talk) 10:50, March 28, 2020 (UTC)