Talk:Mrs. CrumpleBottom

Hello, everyone. I have added this article to this database because it seems that Mrs. Crumplebottom is a pominent character in HD and NL, so I thought she needed her own article. Add any additional info! M. H. Avril 2:41, 1 Apr. 2007(UTC)

I couldn't agree more
I think we need more pages like this- special NPCs. We need one for the penguin, evil mascot, social bunnies... one step at a time!

Whoever wrote this page is a genius!

PRUDNECE Crumplebottom
Said in article that Prudence Crumplebottom had no gravestone, could be her. I think highly likely as the name PRUDENCE

PRUDE- is what she is!

Anyone else see a connection here??

Prudence Crumplebottom's grave pic is greyed out. She is dead.

If NPC means "Non-Player Character" wouldn't babies be NPC's? -Mjs961 02:22, 21,March 2009

Her Maiden Name
How can her father be George Crumplebottom? She should have a maiden name. Maybe it was Robert Crumplebottom's father. --Bayoubash 09:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I accidentley put down Crumplebottom. I checked on some website. Her parents are named Athena Marshall and George Marshall (nee` Kendall). She also has a son but he's a townie.

I made a minor edit .since we know she has a niece Elmira Clamp, but we do not know she has the maiden name Clamp. so i tookthje sentevne regarding her maiden name out. since it was confirmed to Agnes Crumplebottom. but since the game make Agnes and Mrs Crumplebottom seperate,should we say it is her middle name? FREEDOM 55

CHILDREN
I found something out. She has a son. It's Goopy GilsCarbo! User:Joethatblackguy

I agree with Joethatblackguy -- Thehvnteam

I disagree completely. She couldn't possibly be Goopy's mother. That's completely false.C.Syde65 (talk) 21:41, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Template
Quote from Talk:Hula Zombies:

I don't think we should give the Hula Zombies a sim template. They're not really Sims. --KazeNoYouko 00:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither is Mrs. Crumplebottom. Besides, they are like real sims.Mjs961 PWNS! 02:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that Hula Zombies don't need the sim template. Mrs. Crumplebottom will be a playable Sim in The Sims 3, so she should have one. --a_morris (talk) 15:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If the Hula Zombies got their template changed because they were not real sims, shouldn't Mrs. Crumplebottom's template be changed too? The game treats her as an object.

If NPC means "Non-Player Controlled" wouldn't babies be NPC's? -Mjs961 02:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course not, babies are a part of a family. NPC's are invisible. They live somewhere unknown in the game. They just roam around the town. Babies are not controlled because they don't do much. --Bayoubash 06:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Mrs/Ms. Crumplebottom vs Agnes Crumplebottom
I may don't know anything about The Sims 3 but it itches me so to say that Agnes and Mrs. C are two different people! I mean why would Maxis create Agnes as the Hot Date Mrs. C and make Mrs. C in Nightlife some other woman. Her name is Prudence, not Agnes. Mrs. C married Robert Crumplebottom, and then he died. She hated love since then and took the "Miss" in Hot Date. Then she changed it to Mrs. There is no reason why this "distant relative" hates love. This is the way I think it, I maybe wrong since I don't know anything but this is how I think it is. Maybe we should ask Will Wright. Darn he moved from The Sims to Spore. I'm going crazy!!! --Bayoubash 13:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Please leave information about Agnes Crumplebottom out of this article and especially out of the infobox as it was not meant to contain information from two Sims. Apparently it has been confirmed that they are one and the same, (though I could not find a source that did not reference here), however they are treated differently in The Sims and The Sims 2 and should have separate pages that are kept separate. --a_morris (talk) 21:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Miss Crumplebottom appears in Sims 1. She wears a long, straight, dress with a button-up overcoat, along with tight shoes, pearls, a pillbox-hat with a small flower-patterned pin, a tight bun, and her large, dark purse. Her dress is grey colored (Unlike Mrs. Crumplebottom's dress, which is tanned cream colored). Her hair is grey and is always tied in a very tight bun. She's best friends with her sister Cornelia Goth. The main history about her is that her husband dies, leaving her bitter and rude, no sense of Romance left in her. He haunted her house and chased off any visitors that came to visit her or might start a relationship with her.

They are not the same people and Mrs.Crumplebottom i believe is not related to Agnes or any of her family. Her name just happens to be Crumplebottom. I say they are'nt related because her name goes with her actions when ever someone does something that erks her she gets her Bottom in a Crumple thats why they gave her that name to confuse you. There are alot of sims with names that matches their: actions, clothing, or personality for instance, in strangetown when going to 88 road to nowhere (a clothing store) there is a cashier name Haber Das which means someone who sells clothing and goods and old fashion clothing. So maybe Mrs.Crumplebottom's name goes with her feelings. And Agnes can't be Mrs.Crumplebottom because when SimPE is used Mrs.Crumplebottom's name is said to be Missy Crumplebottom Maybe Missy is Agnes's daughter because Missy is younger than Agnes, though she Mrs. as if she was married to someone with the Crumplebottom name hmmm, Or Maybe Agnes's second husband Robert got married to Mrs.Crumplebottom before her. ChaoticRuins, May 26, 2012

How to get Mrs. Crumplebottom and her husband back together (sims 3 only!) NO CHEATS!
I got Mrs Crumplebottom and her husband back together in the sims 3. heres how: First you make a random sim and get them to move in with Mrs. Crumplebottom and then you kill the random sim. After about a day you get a opportunity called "Oh my ghost!" it tells you to take the remains of the dead sim to the science lab for some "testing". Instead of taking the dead sims tombstone take Mrs Crumplebottom's husband's to the science lab. When she comes out there will be a fully controllable ghost version of Mrs Curumplebottoms husband in your family! They can even have kids!
 * Thanks for the tip! This has been added to Resurrecting tips. --a_morris (talk) 15:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

She's Very Old
Don't you think it's strange she's so old? Because her niece has a nephew before The Sims 3, she's most likely an elder (or very late in her adult life), yet she's still alive 50 years later? She'd be 100 or so, easy! UBFunkaneer 03:39, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * There were some strange ageing effects in TS3 compared to TS2 such as Mortimer Goth (elder in TS2) being one day older than Bella Goth (adult in TS2). It is impossible given Mortimer didn't start TS2 at the beginning of the elder life stage. GEORGIEGIBBONS 18:09, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think I have an answer to that. Bella was abducted by aliens, which was in her case, was like dying. She does have the I Am Dead token, after all. Sims do not age after death. (Look at Opal Suarley if you need proof)UBFunkaneer 16:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actually she is not old at all in TS2 when SimPE is used Adult is checked out not Elder so she is actually an Adult and when making her Selectable you can have a baby with her even Females can because when SimPE is used Male is checked out not Female so she is actually a mixed up character she's an Elder that can do Adult things. ChaoticRuins, May 26, 2012

She's not that old, she's about four Sim days younger than Mortimer Goth. Yes she is quite old but not very old.C.Syde65 (talk) 21:38, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

The Sims 3 Late Night
Someone put in Mrs. page that she will return in Late Night, can someone please confirm this because it has no reference, so we don't know if that is fanon or not. Guilherme Guerreiro 21:09, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's certainly a reference to it, though we won't know if it's true. The other facts display in the source are true though. We have no reason to distrust that site, so let's keep the info. -- Duskey talk 10:24, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine ! :).

Mrs. Crumplebottom in Sims Generations?
This mad lady doesn't have the same look as the previous Mrs. Crumplebottom. But it somewhat has the same moves see in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hajq1nwsAM&feature=channel_video_title and is mostly seen in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR1Fl8DBOqg

Even top rated comment thinks so too: http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7951/screenhunter01may280949.png


 * No, that's probably a personal opinion, she isn't Mrs. Crumplebottom for sure and the old lady seen may even not come with the game, considering it's sepculated that Generation won't bring a new neighborhood (sigh). --Guilherme Guerreiro (talk here) 08:55, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

NPC as an Object in The Sims 2
It has been stated many times that a number of special NPCs are "objects" instead of people characters. My understanding is that people, pets, chest of drawers or doors are all objects of different types. They run code that makes them update themselves in reaction to other events. Type changes the way an object is treated by the engine at a lower level; I think it enables people to walk, cars to float by, causes controllers to be always spawned. She is a sim by this definition.

The main difference between a "special" and regular sim is where its data resides. Regular people are created as copies at first launch or whenever the neighborhood is first created, and reside in the My Documents directory. This copy is then updated as the sim changes clothing or another state. Not all updates are visually apparent. The character file is usually modified every time a sim object is uninstantiated (removed, left the lot, not killed). A number of special NPCs are directly loaded from the most recent objects.package, which resides in the game directory and is common to all neighborhoods. One must therefore avoid that these special sims getting modified, because any changes to the NPC would persist until the game is reinstalled, and also the objects.package is quite big and an error might occur as its being written, which would make the game unable to start.

An update to objects.package can be detected by a pause of several seconds during interaction with the special NPC, and by comparing the modification date and size of objects.package against one on game disc inside the compressed zip file or another (patched) installation.

What a sim does, such as if it would change its behavior depending on the Nice personality, run Vampire animations, or what actions can be called from its menu, is determined by its code, which is taken from a template (common to all people, another one is there for pets) or written exclusively for a type of NPC. What code an object runs is not determined by where its data is located. There are a few NPCs that do not react to the surrounding world, such as Stylists at Makeover Chairs, whose data is still in character files.

Meeting and developing a relationship with Crumplebottom is occasionally possible at a Poker Table. Relationships are part of the neighborhood.

I don't think Crumplebottom can receive a Vampyre bite at all in later expansion packs.

Incosistencies in her age and personality are present because those parts of her character were never filled in because they were not supposed to be seen.

IDEA: Perhaps the red warning box on the pages of all affected NPCs should link to an article providing this explanation.

-- J7n (talk) 212.142.84.209

Showers
Crumplebottom has one more odd behavior that requires no cheats or placement of new objects to demonstrate. She will pull people out from Showers, because they are technically naked at that time, even if she can't see or reach the shower in question. The park with the swimming pool has showers and they are not usable if Crumplebottom is around.

The obvious fact is that she is "dumb" (doesn't check for distance or visibility of the shower). EAxis obviously think its good humour, as they also make people yell and stomp their feet for no apparent reason when other objects can't be reached, a doorbell wake up people all around the house, etc, etc.

-- J7n (talk) 22:23, January 8, 2013 (UTC) 212.142.84.209

Avoiding / Removal
The best way of removing Crumplebottom is to avoid her being created on lot (action 6 in your wiki). The best possible mod doing it would change the lot processing function "Main - Downtown - EP2", and conflict only with other mods that restrict the appearance of other NPC visitors (Gypsy, Pickpocket). One could also write a more intelligent code for her, which would preserve her in the game universe, but I haven't seen a mod containing that.

-- J7n (talk) 22:45, January 8, 2013 (UTC) 212.142.84.209

Unsavory Charlatan
How does one bring them both on the same lot? As far as I am aware, the Charlatan does not go downtown, and Crumplebottom does not appear outside of it (FreeTime). Are they allowed to meet in a specific game Version (EP)?

-- J7n (talk) 19:17, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Crumplebottom vs. CrumpleBottom
Maybe an interesting note, but in The Sims 2 she is referred as Mrs. CrumpleBottom and not as Crumplebottom. Should this be changed or is this not bothering anyone? Tiezel (talk) 20:03, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * So I guess this isn't bothering anyone..? xD Tiezel (talk) 20:50, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never really noticed this subtle difference. In what instance is she called CrumpleBottom?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:34, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Crumple.png
 * In-game. Also in SimPE you can find this ofcourse. (that's how I discovered it) Tiezel (talk) 18:52, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's interesting! Hmm, I suppose we could rename it, and I hope it wouldn't be too controversial. Now, I wonder if the rest of CrumpleBottoms in Pleasantview also has the capital letter. I'll check it out.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  03:56, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just checked. They have the lowercase "b". Talk about inconsistency...  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes I saw that too. How is that in The Sims or The Sims 3? are they called Crumplebottom or CrumpleBottom? Can someone check this out? Tiezel (talk) 10:29, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It has been explained right above your comment: it's lowercase b in The Sims 3... --- ☣  ʀodrigo x (talk)(contribs) 11:36, February 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that was about the Crumplebottoms in The Sims 2. Tiezel (talk) 11:43, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was talking about Pleasantview Crumplebottoms. And guess what? They also use lowercase "b" in Sunset Valley... Sigh. Now I'm wondering about Miss Crumplebottom?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  17:31, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Mrs. Crumplebottom's Mother
Some players including myself believe that Mrs. Crumplebottom could be the daughter to Agnes Crumplebottom and Erik Darling. Although it is a strong possibility, it would be inconsisting seeing as she did not return in the Sims 3.
 * I'm not even sure where this theory originated from. She can't possibly be their children since Erik has already died before having any children.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:46, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't know, but I didn't copy it from anyone else. All I know is that the developers obviously needed a new Mrs. Crumplebottom since Agnes was already dead. I don't think they'd even confirmed that Agnes was the "Miss Crumplebottom" at that time. If you just think about it, the possibility of Missus being Agnes' daughter is more accurate than any other possibility. Agnes was the only Crumplebottom who could've had her since all the other Crumplebottoms probably would've either been too old or have already had children. Missus is normally a few Sim days behind Mortimer in gameplay. Agnes could've had Missus but for some reason their relationship wasn't revealed. I'm not saying this theory is correct, but it's the most accurate one people, including myself have thought up. Mrs. Crumplebottom didn't appear in the Sims 3 probably because she was simply made to resemble Miss Crumplebottom for the Sims 2. Agnes' bitter alter ego could've been passed on to Missus. C.Syde65 (talk) 04:34, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't remember where it was confirmed either, but if it's widely known that Miss Crumplebottom is Agnes, then it should've been confirmed at some point when I wasn't there.


 * Mrs. Crumplebottom doesn't necessarily have to be Agnes' daughter just because the other Crumplebottoms might've been too old. There could just be other Crumplebottoms that are simply not shown in this game, hence the "distant relative". Take an example at Alto family. Anyone would think Nick was the only child, but he actually had a brother when Hidden Springs was released. Who knows how many siblings they could have if EA just wanted to "expand" their stories to create theories? And this theory is just one example of it.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:18, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Either way, I still believe that Mrs. Crumplebottom is Agnes' daughter until further evidence turns up. I'm not going to let my beliefs get in the way if others if they wish. That's just what I believe because it sounds more accurate than the other theories I could otherwise believe, not counting the "distant relative" one. C.Syde65 (talk) 06:45, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Mrs. Crumplebottom's Nature
Is it true that Mrs. Crumplebottom actually smacks other Sims with her purse. Whenever she sees any of my Sims doing romantic interactions, she ignores it completely. All she does is lecture Sims for trying to interact with her, strip naked, go swimming, changing into their underwear. She also responds when other Sims put soap into fountains. Her hobbies include playing cards, bowling and drinking at the bar. It could just be that I don't have Seasons or Bon Voyage.C.Syde65 (talk) 21:46, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * She smacks public kissers and WooHooers in my game, so if she is ignoring your Sims, I would have some concern. Go to C:\Program Files\EA Games\The Sims 2 + Your Latest Expansion/Stuff Pack (should be the one you run the game with)\TSData\Res\Objects. There should be a file called "objects.package". Check to see what date it was modified. Now put your CD in (the one you run the game with), go to My Computer/Computer, right-click on it and select "Explore". Open up the file called "compressed.zip" and click on "Res", and then "Objects". If you have the deluxe editions, look in EP2 (with Deluxe) or SP4 (Double Deluxe). If the date in the Program Files location differs from the one in your CD, chances are the file has become corrupted. I bring this up because Mrs. CrumpleBottom's character file is located in the objects.package file, and that file is commonly corrupted. If it is corrupted, copy the objects.package file from the CD and replace the one in the Program Files location. Then, run all of the patches released for the game (Link). K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 21:55, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * She smacked with her purse only if my Sims WooHooed in public in my game. She ignored them when they kissed or made out or so. Otherwise, she would always only lecture my Sims. At that time, maybe my game had been a bit wonky already.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  05:45, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except that it's been the same in my gameplay, regardless whether I use other people's computers. I'd never uninstall and reinstall my Sims games on my computer. The stuff I've done there is priceless, and anyway there seems to be no fatal corruption. C.Syde65 (talk) 04:40, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Corruption sometimes hides itself from view and you don't know what's going on until your neighborhood or your entire game suddenly becomes unplayable. This game guide may be of use. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 04:42, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

There may actually be a little bit of corruption on my game, but it's so small you could just ignore it. I do seem to have a knack for avoiding serious corruption, thanks to my gaming skills. Still, I'm not going to pretend that nothing could go wrong. When there's major risks ahead, I usually know when not to take them. I did seriously corrupt the game once. But that was on another computer, and I was willing to take those risks. I risk those sorts of things on other computers, never my own. Once again I'm not going to pretend that nothing could still go wrong. C.Syde65 (talk) 07:12, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Family Trees
Would it be safe to use SimPE, to add Mrs. Crumplebottom to Agnes' family tree, so that the game recognizes her as Agnes' daughter. It seems completely safe but I just want to be sure before I repeat it. C.Syde65 (talk) 04:44, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Since family ties are stored in the Neighborhoods.package file and not the character file of the Sim, I don't think this will cause game corruption. However, I would still refrain from doing so, because the exact nature of these NPCs are unknown. Make your objects.package file read-only and backup your neighborhood before attempting. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 04:53, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Adding Information about the Old Hag
Is it really necessary to add certain character data about Mrs. CrumpleBottom when it's just a game corruptible measure (e.g. Interests, Bio, Personality, etc.)? We already know that she's an object NPC, and object NPCs are treated much differently than playable Sims. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 23:23, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but I'd say it's not necessary. Who needs her interests and personality if we can't even talk to her?  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:09, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I also feel like it's a little tacky and unsuitable. The old layout looked a lot better, without the Simology data.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:26, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to remove the skills and interests of Mrs. CrumpleBottom. Obviously, there's really no point in stating these stats. What are they good for anyway? Mrs. C doesn't go to work or play chess with you, so the skills are useless... and interest is a no-no because you can't even talk to her! They're pretty much meaningless data found in SimPE. Unless there's a pretty good reason to keep these information, please state here.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  17:38, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

I just think it's necessary, because some people might actually want to know what her skill points and interests are. Removing these skills etc would remove her from the category for Sims that have mastered a skill and then she might be added to the category for sims without interests which wouldn't be accurate. It's not just because I was the one who added all that information. And anyway isn't it possible for Mrs. Crumplebottom to have fights with your Sims in-game. People must wonder why she usually wins fights. I'm just trying to make a point. If the info is tacky and unsuitable I reckon it should be modified to make it more suitable rather than deleting it. Logically if she was an ordinary Sim this information would be necessary and the information is true in any case. C.Syde65 (talk) 07:49, January 24, 2014 (UTC)