Talk:Glitches

Unconfirmed glitches for The Sims or The Sims 2
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 * There are glitches for The Sims 2 like:The sims "body skill" not "athletic skill" gains really fast and, no phone on the hook.? 20:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)Monster2821? 20:11, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes in Open For Business when customers check out they go around in circles around the cash *regsister.? 01:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)Monster2821? 01:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * SIMS 2: Game crashing when a sim is about to give birth, but it is easily solved by making a toddler in CAS. SIMS 2:Babies coming on your lot. --24.11.128.37 12:00, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many times, in The Sims, I've had packets of snacks that sims took out of the fridge when I didn't want them to. Naturally, I cancelled the action, which makes them put it on the floor, and often means you're not charged for it. Usually you can then tell a sim to eat it (for free) or clean it up. Sometimes, though, nobody can interact with the packet, ever. You can't delete it in buy mode, you can't have a sim throw it away, it just stays on the floor, forever, gathering flies and lowering the sims' environment. If you saved before realising the problem, the only way I've found to resolve it is moving out :( 86.164.66.83 11:48, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just had a strange thing happen with my Sims 3 game. I have World Adventures installed, and I'm not sure what it would have to do with it. After giving my Sim it's voice, I went to Astrological Sign, and it was still on the favorites and voice tab while the page was Astrological Sign. Does anybody else have this problem?I am Twilight, Twilight the Wolf - http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Twilight_the_Wolf 23:40, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just had a strange thing happen with my Sims 3 game. I have World Adventures installed, and I'm not sure what it would have to do with it. After giving my Sim it's voice, I went to Astrological Sign, and it was still on the favorites and voice tab while the page was Astrological Sign. Does anybody else have this problem?I am Twilight, Twilight the Wolf - http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Twilight_the_Wolf 23:40, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just had a strange thing happen with my Sims 3 game. I have World Adventures installed, and I'm not sure what it would have to do with it. After giving my Sim it's voice, I went to Astrological Sign, and it was still on the favorites and voice tab while the page was Astrological Sign. Does anybody else have this problem?I am Twilight, Twilight the Wolf - http://sonicfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Twilight_the_Wolf 23:40, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if this is an actual glitch in The Sims 2, but it's certainly an annoyance. As far as I can tell, it happens when a Sim is a) the owner of a car, and b) in a job with a work outfit. At least some of the time, if the "Go To Work" action is canceled after the Sim has changed into the work outfit, it will be repeatedly pushed on the Sim. Dharden (talk) 03:39, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

When I use that locker room shower item, the Sim's body vanishes until they put their clothes back on. Asteriski 15:20, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I play the sims 2 and I've had this happen twice. Sometimes, when my sim has a baby, the baby becomes frozen and can't move. I also can't socialize with it, so its needs drop. So when the parents go to pick it up, they just stand there. I can't click out of the socialization, so both the parent and the baby's needs drop until the social worker comes. Then the baby is taken away and the parent dies moments later. Can someone help me? It's really annoying. It doesn't just happen with babies, it happens with the other life stages too. Child and above, they'll just be frozen for a few seconds. Sometimes if a child freezes, all I have to do is socialize with it with another sim.

Unconfirmed glitches for Sims 3
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 * long change clothes glitch —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monster2821 (talk • contribs) 23:46, Jun 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * When you tell a Sim to change clothes it does take a few seconds. This is because the game loads the clothes before changing them of course. It's not a bug if it only takes a few seconds. It might also take longer if the clothes is user-created and feature alot of vertices or whatever the creators call them. Duskey ( talk )( blog ) 08:49, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * It takes 30 sim miniutes--Danny(Monster2821) 00:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Try without Custom content. Duskey ( talk ) 18:15, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sims with no character data —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monster2821 (talk • contribs) 23:46, Jun 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * sometimes the game will freeze. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monster2821 (talk • contribs) 23:46, Jun 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once in a while, people build skills really fast for no reason at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monster2821 (talk • contribs) 23:46, Jun 7, 2010 (UTC) This seems like it's caused by completing all skills like anger management and parenting.? 20:17, June 18, 2010 (UTC)Monster2821? 20:17, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, it's just the body skill they learn very fast (like I'm talking 2 minutes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiegirl3000 (talk • contribs) 00:06, Jun 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes the drawer in the trash compacter goes missing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiegirl3000 (talk • contribs) 00:06, Jun 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes the phone goes missing off the hook —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiegirl3000 (talk • contribs) 00:06, Jun 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * sSms body disappears —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiegirl3000 (talk • contribs) 00:06, Jun 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Code 12 and Code 13 save game errors occur with Ambitions (possibly related to using the Pedestrian Sculpting Station) Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Firefighter extinguisher upgrade always disappears after return from vacation. Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * NPC visitors sometimes get stuck on lot, won't leave unless moved/remove via debug cheats. Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sim gets caught in tomb floor trap indefinately, especially during turbo speed. Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sim with duplicates of Canopic relic jars in inventory will not be able to successfully summon mummy. Fix: reload game, remove duplicates from inventory, then summon. Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Vizard of Vine counter resets when sim goes on vacation (or returns home). Tchotchke 01:47, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added to the main page since I've found other people reporting this aswell. Duskey ( talk )( blog ) 09:03, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Underwear as everydaywear: After having a tatto done, the black underwear shown in tatto mode will be available for your sim to use... as everydaywear! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.36.14 (talk • contribs) 16:00 July 17, 2010
 * Sounds like a pretty sweet bug to me :p Duskey ( talk ) 18:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Grim Reaper quits his job - If you move the Grim Reaper in, there is a chance that he will not be replaced, and therefore will not come for a Sim if he/she dies. They will simply be lying there, unable to die andunable to live, in a state of limbo between life and death... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monster2821 (talk • contribs) 18:49, July 6, 2010 UTC
 * Okay, I installed world adventures and ambitions and tried to go to the game launcher but it went funky and said I need a game update but I can't because I can't acsess it! HELP ME!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.119.221 (talk • contribs) 19:41 July 26, 2010 UTC
 * Try taking a look at the Sims 3 patch trouble page Duskey ( talk ) 18:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Teaching a toddler how to talk, sometimes when the toddler is done being taught the game does not acknowledge it and the toddler and adult become frozen, though everything around them continues as normal, and their needs still drop. Even if you try canceling their action, it won't work. Other sims cannot interact with the frozen sims, and even when the social worker appears she cannot take the toddler. 68.19.229.53 21:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've been editing a young adult, and then clicked through the Sims to see what they would have looked like as a teen, child, ect. But when i went back to normal young adult, the guy had his legs squished down and no arms below his elbows. So basiclly he was in the toddler body design, but every thing else was normal....it was actually really creepy 0.o M3J1999
 * What do you "editing a young adult"? Sounds like this is due to either using cheats or game tools/mods. -- Duskey talk 18:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * (For Windows users only...mostly because I don't have a mac :P) Pick any Sim nothing matters what you put on him except you need to put a type of glasses. Stay in CAS mode and press the little windows button. This should minimize the game window. Now click back on CAS mode. For a split second to maybe even 5 seconds, your sims will be a gray blob with only glasses and eyes. Your sims will come back don't worry. M3J1999 15:13, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is not a bug. This happens when you zoom in at an un-loaded house in the game as well, it is simply because the computer can not display all the graphics at once. -- Duskey talk 18:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Mysterious Vanishing Magic of Pangu's Axe: After a couple of days of owning Pangu's Axe, it will vanish. Completely. Forever. This has happened to me every single time I've got the axe. It even happens with the two Eyes of Horus and the Moodlet Manager. 82.42.36.14 15:25, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ghostly Ghosts, Ghostly Tombstones/Urns: If a Sim dies in the neighbourhood that is not part of your current active household, once the death animation is complete, their tombstone will disappear. This can be easily ignored, but if you really liked that Sim, it means that you can never ressurect them. 82.42.36.14 15:25, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not necesscarily, 82.42.36.14, if you go to the town Mausoleum and select "Manage The Dead" within a reasonable amount of time, all recently dead sims' tombstones will be there. However, if you wait too long (probably 3-4 sim days) the gravestones will vanish.UBFunkaneer says "That's what a gentleman does." 23:15, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * three glitches one a major annoyance not fixed the grilling interaction corvers your first interaction a temporary fix is to turn of and back on the game 2 a graphical glitch when talking to ghosts your sim may disapear now my sims just appear as if you just used reset sim also sometimes the game does not make a toddler and the teacher of walking close enough and the toddler and teacher have a wired way of doing eg strechy arms toddler jumping Xxgreenbunnyxx
 * I've had some trouble with Bridgeport's firefighters. There are always generated ones who come even at the very beginning of the game. There still are premade ones but in my game, they never show up after an emergency call... JM9193 18:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Off-Centre Vampires: When sleeping on the Vampire Altar, oddly, the vampire will float with part of their body overhanging the edge, rather than floating over the centre.
 * The above glitch happens in my game too. --Guilherme Guerreiro (talk here) 20:01, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The auto-updater only updated my World Adventures Pack but not my Sims 3 core game and now a error notice appears and say "base game is not up to date"
 * After doing a few missions in World Adventures, the adventures don't come up as often on the board. Eventually they don't come up at all. How can I fix this? --WoganHemlock - The Dark Sage 06:51, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * (Console version) when my sims came home from work with the singed moodlet(Science career, y'know those explosions and stuff) and it never dissapeared which meant they could never change clothes,they were at risk of getting electrocuted and burnt easier. I've deleted the save but would still like to know in case it happened again.
 * When moving an unoccupied residential lot in edit town to another spot in town, the price of the house in the new lot is only the price of the undeveloped lot- e.g if I moved a £20000 house onto a £1200 peice of land, it would only cost £1200! 86.177.252.69 13:16, April 2, 2011 (UTC)jamjar33
 * (PC) I didn't save a neighorhood with a certain sim placed in it, and a glitch occured when I started playing that town again (Barnacle Bay). I put the same sim in a different house, and the house's maptag showed up on the unsaved old house! I bulldozed the house and the lot, and that removed it, but then all the maptags in all neighborhoods disappeared. Changing the filter settings and using maptag cheats had no effect. However, the problem was fixed after a game restart.
 * Yes Jealousy: After Generations is installed, the No Jealousy lifetime reward loses its functionality. It still removes immediate relationship drop if cheating is witnessed, but the "Be Accesed of Cheating" action can still appear, with the same effect. A temporary workaround for this is to use the resetsim cheat on any Sim who goes to accuse your Don Juan/Female Fatale. This glitch was fixed in rhe 1.29 update.90.197.79.135 15:06, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cant order an omniplant after patch 1.15 this can be fixed by canceling the order omniplant command when your sim still walk to the mailbox--Wir.wiryawan 07:37, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Photography skill broken (blank out), cant capture any subject, the take photo command stuck in the command queue cannot be canceled caused your sim to freeze to death, and the worst is this can cause your game to crash. this happen after installing generation. to fix this move your sim to another town.--Wir.wiryawan 07:37, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this glitch happens to me to, but I can't be sure because of the way it is worded. What happens is (in world adventures) whenever I order my sim to take a picture with a camera (purchased in Al Simhara) the sim freezes completely but their motives still decay. Other sims can interact with the sims but they will not respond in any way. I fix this glitch by using the Resetsim "Firstname Lastname" cheat, but the pictures are not in the camera so I can't take any pictures and it is impossible complete adventures that require you to take photos. 74.61.195.133 (talk) 22:41, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Bodyhair is missing after add or edit it on cas. to fix this your sims must change their everyday cloth with the cloth you get from spa after get a tattoo (yes, only black underwear) before entering the cas to add a bodyhair.--Wir.wiryawan 07:37, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, if I use a cheat code in my game, which I do a lot (Hey! I don't like evil sims, kay?), the next time I played and made a new family, the family funds was only 25 freakin' simoleons!! Please help. I have no expansion packs and er...forgot the update.207.119.8.173 03:20, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Every single time I quit my game whilst playing a sim family, my game decides to reset itself. It's only started happening today but I don't know how to fix it! Can someone help? (P.S. I have all the current expansions but no stuff packs.) Alix Weaver 19:22, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * When I start up Bridgeport, all the sims have wierd names, as if they've reverted back to the placeholder names that the creators gave them before establishing their real names. For instance, Hyacinth Atkins and her sister Violet are named Bubbles and Blossom Ditto. Belisama Hemlock is named BabyJapenese, and Morrigan Hemlock is the only vampire in the whole town. Silverwing Mryddin 12:56, October 24 2011 (UTC)
 * The only games I have installed are the base game and Late Night. When playing the in the neighborhood from the base game, My sim turned invisible, with his Plumbob floating where his midsection should be. He would freeze when I tried to change outfits (More like he would become stuck in ftont of the dresser and his mood would steadilly drop.) and if I tried to change his apperance, it would give me options for woman's and men's hair with my sim still being invisible no matter what I click. I tried the reset sim cheat, but it didn't work. I installed the latest patch, but that did nothing. I ended up deleting him and I placed a copy in the town. Everything was fine until I looked over at the town. Some townies seem to be at a lower level (As if in a basement.) with their thought bubbles just above the floor. They can interact with other, normal townies and buildings just fine, but I can not interact with them. I have no idea how to fix this, please help me by e-mailing me at cabbagemiso@yahoo.com.

I don't know...
i'm Done with article?Monster2821?
 * I have doubts about this page, and whether it's really needed, especially as it exists currently. A list of known game glitches (and possible fixes) would no doubt be useful, but I don't know how that ties into this article. Any thoughts? LostInRiverview 23:43, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

On The Spore"another maxis game" Wiki there is a glitches page and a patches page,so i think it should be on here too.?monster2821?:


 * Understood, but I'm interested to know in what capacity it exists on other wikis. I think it could be valuable, as well as a list of common glitches and an associated category (which there is), but I think this page needs some work.
 * Oops, forgot to sign! --LostInRiverview 00:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's long enough to be split into two pages on the spore wiki.?monster2821?*

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This article needs pictures of the glitches?Monster2821? This Article is stale?Monster2821?

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On june,14,2010 i'm nominating* this article for deletion if barely any glitches are listed.


 * I would hold off on that. It seems to me that this page still lacks direction... I'm not at all satisfied with the listing of the glitches, as it's very possible that those glitches listed aren't of the scope necessary to be listed. For example, who really cares if the phone isn't visible on the hook? Is that a real glitch that is going to disturb gameplay - no. I'd say what this page needs is to list only the most important glitches - ones that really impact gameplay - and link to other pages that delve into those glitches in more detail (or provide the information on the page).


 * So, in all I don't think it's time to delete this page yet, but it needs to be cleaned up a bit. LostInRiverview 00:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ok.?monster2821?
 * I always thought about making a list similar to this, but LostInRiverview has some good points. It needs to cite more than one person who are experiencing the same bugs. I thought we could do this by having people add bugs (or what they think is a bug) to the talk page here. When someone else experiences something similar or has a fix, they can then moved it to the main page. It is also endlessly helpful if you can reference a website with the bug ie. a sims forum where multiple people confirm that they have the bug. I moved the unconfirmed stuff to the top of the talk page. Duskey ( talk )( blog ) 22:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I've got a Glitch (and it's no Secret!)
In my game, Tory (my male bought SimBot) has no image data. He has no in-game sim. It just shows a plumbbob and thought bubbles on the ground. I first noticed this after I saved (unfortunately) after two sims in my household went to China (the day or so after he went to France alone.) Okay, I've tried a couple things. ResetSim, RabbitHoles... that's it. He doesn't have enough Happiness to get "Body Sculptor" and, since he's a SimBot, he can't use the mirror or dresser. His picture icon disappears occasionally as well. The family icon never loads due to his condition. Other sims can't interact with him (he has no image). However, his Family Tree/Relationship icon still is the same- always. His traits are the same. UBFunkaneer 14:10, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

A fix could be on the Cheats page Xxgreenbunnyxx

Sims 3
Occasionally i get chance cards from the Law Enforcement Career although I have my sims in the Criminal Career. Even when they not even on work. However none of the cards has effect no matter whatIi click on

En eller anden 13:16, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sims 2 Graphics Glitch?
Usually when I go to my custom neighborhoods the whole landscape is completely black, this has also happened in Strangetown (strange isn't it?) but anyways everything excluding the actual houses and things I decorated the landscape with are gone so it is hard for me to place new lots, and i've had most of my custom families have screwed up profile pictures (eg: when my sims mom died and he turned into an adult his face was merged with hers. Also another glitch happened once (which I'm pretty sure is unrelated) is that a sim came home from work with a bad mood and had black paint smeared all over his face and it got worse the more I clicked him, when he took a shower I could see the paint physically on his body. This however has only happened once. I get my mods from MTS2 and they all are rated good, and I have double deluxe with no extra stuff/expansion packs outside of nightlife and party stuff. Help Please.

weird crash/glitch
Hey when I turn on the sims 3....it turns itself of then my computer gets the blue screen but my computer works fine with the disk out

SIMS 2 Vacation Glitch
This is my glitch (SIMS 2). I sent four of my family members on vacation in the mountains, taking four other guests with them. One of the guests froze and will not move, even when the shuttle comes to take them all home, they cannot leave because the frozen sim will not get into the van. This is the most anoying situation because the family has an infant who was left home with the nanny that they can't get back to and I got other characters important to my storylines that need those sims back in the neighborhood. Does anyone know how to solve this problem?


 * If your Sim is frozen, then it means you have The Sims 2 Seasons. Your Sim is supposed to be awaken by sunrise. You can also make selectable other Sims to warm up the frozen Sim by using boolprop testingcheatsenabled true.


 * I don't think that's the sort of "frozen" that 67.242.157.30 had in mind. Dharden (talk) 15:17, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Try using 'boolprop testingcheatsenabled true', hold down the shift key and left-click on the frozen Sim, select 'force error' and click 'Reset.' Hopefully this unfreezes the Sim. --  LostInRiverview talk · blog 15:48, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

sims 3 ambitions glitch
haha!! when you pause the game the tv just keeps going and going...... i'm watching the cooking channel....

Sounds odd, but I wouldn't worry about it. GG  (t)  •  (c)  •  (b)  20:02, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Baby Glitch!
This is getting very annoying i downloaded a family from the exchange (which I will NEVER do again) and they brought custom content into the game... the custom content SCREWED UP MY BABIES and TODDLERS IT MAKES ME SO SAD!!!! :( SEE BABY GLITCH!!!

yellow/blond glitch
on the sims 3 for the nintendo ds, if your sim has blond/yellow hair,

the pictures of the sim show the sim having yellow eyes and lips,

which is not usually possible.

and if you zoom in close, you might be able to see red lips instead.

NPC's don't have this glitch, for whatever reason.

Issue using new Function 'Edit in CAS'
My daughter has had a problem with the ability you now have with testingcheatsenabled to 'Edit in CAS' any sim you pass in town. She Edited a townie sim in CAS and he became immediately unavailable to her sim and was never home. Even when called for a date, he arrived and immediately left again. Requests for the sim to come to her sims house were refused. She was forced to delete him for fears he was going to corrupt her entire saved game. Does anyone have any information about whether or not this new feature corrupts sims or indeed entire towns? I personally think it's possible but I wonder if anyone else has any more information. I will ask Cricint at The Sims 3.com later today as well. MiyuEmi 13:19, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

New Glitches that should be added
Reported on the Sims 3 Forums and experienced by myself, there are two currently game stopping bugs which are causing problems. The first one is that after a couple of generations, everyone in the town, including your sims, stop aging. Secondly, houses around town become vacant despite being inhabited. If you call a sim you'll be told they 'Don't feel like it right now' but your sim will never be able to go to their home because they're never there. The only work around for this is going into Edit Town and moving people around just to actually interact with them but eventually everyone because inaccessible again. The aging bug will be a real problem though, especially with people, like myself, who are working on a legacy. Sims and entire save games are being corrupted somehow, someone on the forum suggested it has to do with the automatic forming of a group and people get stuck waiting for their group. Either way these are bugs that can stop you from being able to play your legacy. Also, Save Errors are back as memories are bloating the size of a save game. Every time your sim takes a bubble bath they're getting a memory of it etc etc. Should these be added? MiyuEmi 23:47, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Sims Tutorial House glitch
I found a glitch in The Sims when i was going to load the tutorial house on Sim Lane 7. I have video proof, could it be placed on the Glitches page? thumb|480px|right|A glitch in TS1 when going to the tutorial house.EclipseCookie 12:22, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not a glitch. It's more likely an error. Do you know the cause?  Nikel  Talk  13:01, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. It looks more like an error than a glitch. Dharden (talk) 13:28, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know what the cause is. It was because i had to rename a file called UserData to UuserData since the game was loading for hours. What i think is, The first part is an error, kinda obvious of course. After that i tried to resest the tutorial. But it didn't reset. I think that is the glitch part. EclipseCookie 15:02, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * O.o You know you shouldn't have done it, should you? That is your unintentional mistake. A glitch happens naturally by the game itself due to developer's negligent.  Nikel  Talk  15:07, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * If i rename the Uuserdata file back into UserData, will this error be fixed, or will the game load for hours again??? D: EclipseCookie 09:13, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Renaming game files and folders is very inadvisable, but if you already did, the only possible way to fix it is to rename it back. But if it doesn't help, you must reinstall it. But first, where is the directory of that folder?  Nikel  Talk  11:10, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

sims 3+ generations HELP!
hey :)) i just got sims 3 + sims generations for christmas and have already played it in the past although since i recently just installed the games, every sim in town or just the sims i make sit at the dinning table on the chairs but arent sitting on them properly, its like the chair is there but their sitting on an invisble one behind it..HELP!!!!!!