Talk:Genie

Why are genies considered life states? They are uncontrollable, and more like objects than sims. 99.0.40.175 13:06, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Agree. You can not control a genie, so it's an object, not a race of sims/life state. --83.89.29.21 10:56, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Backfires
I don't really think all wishes in FreeTime Genie have backfires. I'm always successful at wishing for money. My stuff never got broken when wishing for Peace of Mind. The beauty wish is always both successful and failed. Everyone loves my Sim and they always ring the bell. The Cheat Death wish? Eventually, Sims will lose anyway, right? The resurrection is undoubtedly right. I never used the long life wish, so I never know if it has a backfire.  Nikel  Talk  08:37, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * They are, I remember my sim died when wishing for money and mrs crumplebottom hitting my sim after wish for a love... Wiryawan310 08:40, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wir, the wishes you mentioned were from Wishing Well... :/  Nikel  Talk  08:47, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes! from the wishing well! I forget about that... lol about genie, Zombie, that is the backfire i got from genie and the other one is my sim just die and doesnt plead for his own life after a money fall on his head even he already wish to cheat death. Wiryawan310 08:53, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * He didn't plead? o_o Perhaps the ability will wear off eventually? I was going to browse MATY if they have any further research about genie... right after my brother comes home and gives back the mouse. It's so hard to browse without the mouse! What I really want to know is, does Beauty wish always come with both success and failure?  Nikel  Talk  09:03, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the FreeTime genie is more competent than the one in Livin' Large, so that, instead of wishes usually going wrong, they usually work. I changed the money wish to say "over time" because I don't know if there is a definite schedule. To me, it does seem that the money falls when the Sim is idling. For cheating death, it may be that the player will not know if the wish succeeded until the Sim is in a position to plead for his or her own life. Dharden (talk) 13:28, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the money bag will suddenly appear in the action queue, even though the Sim is in the middle of doing something. However, I never dare to cancel the queue. :/ How about the other wishes? Has anyone encountered the backfires?  Nikel  Talk  13:58, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I think we can just leave that as "over time". I haven't encountered the backfires yet, but "yet" is probably the key word there. Dharden (talk) 14:04, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * On reflection, I think backfires are a game-balance issue. In Livin' Large, Sims can get an effectively unlimited number of wishes (at one per day) for only §375, and can have as many lamps as they can afford. So, the general ineptness of the Genie balances that out. They can have an effectively unlimited number of wishes, if the player is willing to risk having the great bulk of them go wrong. In FreeTime, since the Genie only allows three wishes and the lamp is a reward that is rarely received, the Genie can be much more competent, and wishes can usually work, without affecting game balance too much. Dharden (talk) 16:04, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, because getting genie lamp is very rare... and getting backfires must be really upsetting (Though I prefer to keep the lamp if I had one). I think we just need to wish the genie over and over... until we experience something unprecedented.  Nikel  Talk  16:42, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Showtime Genie
Should we prevent the creation of ST Genie section until the actual game is released or people just feel it should exist somewhere in this page?  Nikel  Talk  15:44, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we should prevent it until the game is released, or EA confirms that it will be there. Dharden (talk) 15:51, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The ST genie is not officially confirmed by ea but the participant of closed beta already show that the genie is the creature from this reference and some picture. on the showtime page it is already listed that genie is the creature so I think it is ok to add it but the information must enough and clear. Wiryawan310 16:02, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, ST Genie also marks the doubted Life State of Genie! It's now official (after the release of ST. After all, I'm sure ST will include Genie) that Genie is a life state! I think the "it's rumored to be reintroduced in Showtime" is the only "fact" we can include in the page. We haven't had enough information on him.  Nikel  Talk  16:07, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on the images, I think we can safely say that it appears likely, but no more. Dharden (talk) 16:22, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * ETA: The Sims 3 Showtime Fact Sheet at SimsVIP mentions that it has been confirmed, but only says "more info to follow". I don't know what their source is, but it's worth checking. Dharden (talk) 16:33, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Apparently, it was mentioned in a live chat with some EA folks. I'm basing this on a comment here. I have not listened through it -- long chat is long. Dharden (talk) 17:08, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, the whole thing is about an hour long, but roughly between 9:00 and 9:35, they do the whole "we can neither confirm nor deny" routine, but basically seem to confirm that there's something to confirm. I think we can hold off on a section until we actually know something about it, but it appears that we can treat its presence as confirmed. Dharden (talk) 17:22, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the existence of Genie is confirmed, but nothing more is known about him. We can wait, or at least until another contributor writes about him again.  Nikel  Talk  14:59, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've edited the intro to show that developer comments suggest that it will be present, but that that has not been officially confirmed. Dharden (talk) 15:46, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I keep asking you to do that for me, Dharden. I'm currently not in the mood to edit much...  Nikel  Talk  15:59, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Showtime Genie Gender?
OK maybe someone can cite where they are getting this upposedly definitive information about Genie's Gender's being based on the Sim that summoned them? Because I've summoned both male and female Genie's with the same exact Sim in multiple tries. . . Dosris 02:23, March 27, 2012 (UTC)Dosris
 * I already test it. 10 times my different male sim got male genie and 10 times my different female sim got female genie. Wiryawan310 03:59, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think more information is needed. I don't have the game, so I can't check, but it is possible that the probability of getting a male or female is weighted, so that it isn't completely determined by the summoner's gender, but is strongly influenced by it. Dharden (talk) 04:35, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * At least for me, in the attempts I've done they came out about a 50/50 ratio male/female. I wont say it might not be weighted but I definitely dont think it's based directly off the Gender. Of course I cant look into the coding or anything so I can only do Trial and error. For all I know I got an anomaly with each Genie which made it come out differently then it was "Suppose" to. Dosris 04:41, March 27, 2012 (UTC)Dosris
 * From my own experience, I had a female sim spawn a male genie, as well as a female spawning a female genie. Chances are it is 50/50, but I think I'll do some more tests. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES  (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 19:14, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe it has something to do with the traits! can somebody test that out?

Random Moodlet
Is anyone getting the random moodlet "world at ease" even though you or the household have not interacted with a genie at all? This has happened to one of my Sims twice and I don't know if a Sim in the neighborhood is even interacting with a genie when story progression is on. Starmoonie 20:23, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Backfires again
When I resurrected my Sim, he came out with different personalities, similar to when we try to resurrect them via Resurrect-O-Nomitron, with hefty sum of price. This means that the way Genie resurrects is similar to that, although there are 3 possibilities of result, not 4 (There's possibly no chance that the Sim is failed to be resurrected). This leads me to speculation that there's no such thing is failure wishes. Everything is just possibility, or mere side effects.  Nikel  Talk  04:47, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * The wish to resurrect may be a special case, in which there are three possible outcomes instead of two. It could be that they basically re-used the resurrection routines from the Resurrect-O-Nomitron, but with no ability for the player to control which one is used. Dharden (talk) 05:01, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then the zombie resurrection is not actually a "failed wish", but rather one of the outcome of the wish.  Nikel  Talk  05:31, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * That may depend on how "failed" is defined. Except for Give Me Power To Cheat Death, failure doesn't seem to be defined as "no effect", but as "only negative effects". I think getting a zombie can be defined as "negative", since the presumend intent of the wish is to bring the Sim back alive. Dharden (talk) 13:40, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I think it's possible that the resurrection wish may be covered by the idea that the Genie is generally competent and wishes usually work. So, it may be unusual to get a zombie, but you may not get a perfect resurrection, either. Dharden (talk) 14:27, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess so. Long ago, my Sim was once resurrected as a zombie. But now, no matter how many times I resurrect my Sims in my test hood, none of them came out as a zombie. Either I was unlucky at that time, or something broke my game, I have no Genie mod. I wish someone would make a research about Genie like Cyjon or MATY, or I wish I could. :/ Wish not granted.  Nikel  Talk  02:17, May 23, 2012 (UTC)