Talk:Kaylynn Langerak

Her Lifetime Wish
It might be because of her Perfectionist trait. Sparrowsong 07:31, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Natural Hair Colour?
I was wondering about that too, Bleeh. I'm removing it unless somebody can find solid proof that she is blonde. I strongly doubt it, because she has black hair as a Child in TS3. How many 7-year-olds do you know that dye their hair? Sparrowsong 06:26, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Kaylynn's mother, Iliana, has black hair. So, case closed - the "natural blonde" thing is fanon. Sparrowsong 07:30, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Though this is old in TS2 she has blonde genetics all PV maids do it's a glitchThelamppost 19:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

In Sims 3 she has black hair and in Sims 2 too but if you have SimPE her hair genetics are of blonde hair! The hair genes codes in SimPE are: 00000001-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 for black hair, 00000002-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 for brown hair, 00000003-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 for blonde hair and 00000004-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 for red hair. I hope this helps.Guilherme Guerreiro 22:52, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

(sims 2)-On my game, her child has blonde hair- even tho the father has red; and obviously the mother has black XD xox —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.100.105 (talk • contribs) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

No offence but only an idiot would think that Kaylynn Langerak's natural hair colour was black in the Sims 2. In my game Daniel and Kaylynn had three children. Two of them inherited Daniel's red hair and one of them inherited Kaylynn's blonde hair. C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:06, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * An "idiot" is someone who has no clue about something even if that "something" is obvious enough. Now, how is it obvious if Kaylynn's genetic is blonde without checking it with SimPE or having a child first? It's not obvious, so it's not idiocy.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  11:25, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Okay not an idiot then, but if you make babies or examine her genetics with SimPE, there are no traces of black hair genetics anywhere, it's all blonde. I don't quite understand how some people can't see that Kaylynn's natural hair colour is blonde. Have they even bothered to make her have children? Also what Thelamppost said about all Pleasantview maids having genetics for blonde hair is a glitch - that is completely false. They are not glitches and only two maids in Pleasantview have blonde hair genetics - Remington Harris and Kaylynn Langerak. Lucy Hanby's natural hair colour is red and her hair isn't dyed.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 07:13, January 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Even though her natural hair colour is really blonde, I still choose to think story-wise that it is naturally black. Joey.eyeball (talk) 08:19, January 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * With me, it's pretty much the opposite. If a Sim has dyed hair, I have to think story-wise that their natural hair colour is their natural hair colour.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:08, January 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's what I say in their defense:
 * Back then, SimPE might not have been commercially well-known, I don't know. They might not be familiar with SimPE and looking inside the game files, fearing of messing their own games. This hindered people from checking the facts in the files.
 * Second, it was rather difficult to prove and examine a Sim's genetics at that time (true, they might not have bothered testing to have babies with Kaylynn, but you can't say the kids would be 100% always blonde all the time, can you?). There were more traffic in the past, and the wiki was still developing. It was difficult to revise which statements held the valid information. That was why discussion was very important.
 * Lastly, you're arguing with something that was long forgotten in 2010. Since it was that old, there were a lot more misconceptions than nowadays. By now, the real fact (that some Sims' genetics are different from they appear) would've been well-known, and people partaking this discussion must've known it already.
 *  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:07, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to attack those who say otherwise. I just thought they would have jumped straight to doing genetic tests with Kaylynn. I am aware that this discussion has gotten old so I'm just posting this comment and nothing more to say.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:34, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

I believe it might just be a different Kaylinn, like there is 10 different Malcolm Landgraabs. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 19:58, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

It could be a SimPE glitch, like Mrs. CrumpleBottom had grey hair genetics. There are lots of SimPE mistakes, like Mrs. CrumpleBottom and Hula Zombie being mistaken as male. It could be one of those silly mistakes. 2.217.127.104 (talk) 19:34, January 31, 2015 (UTC) Yes Kaylynn's natural hair color is blonde but I found that quite weird EPICMINECRAFTER101 (talk) 19:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

All ts2 maids are genetically blonde by default. Ts2 Kaylinns are not ts3 Kaylinns. They are just counterparts. --5.92.172.151 (talk) 12:36, July 23, 2017 (UTC)swampertwee

Three traits
nope.. she doesn't have hiden trait.. i have special mod to unlock hidden traits and Hank Goddard have hidden trait but Kaylynn does'n have.. hope i helped

Bella4114 17:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

logical name
If you just like me think that Kaylynn Langerak's name should be Kathrine that is logical. Kaylynn Langerak doesn't sound logical, while Kathrine Langerak does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesya Zirka (talk • contribs) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

lol u never noe XD xox —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.100.105 (talk • contribs) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

Uh, maybe Kaylynn is actually short for Kathrine. Plus, she was originally a NPC and we know those have random-ish names. You could say Goopy GilsCarbo should be Guiper Gelsarb, Bella Bachelor should be Belle Beichlan, Sunny Bashki should be Samantha Busterfield, Malcolm Landgraab should be Malcent Leisureton, Mortimer Goth should be Mortbald Batstein, Agnes Crumplebottom should be Anniet Cravitz-Bissingham, Holly Alto should be Oliviera V. Altomare, and Cycl0n3 Sw0rd should be Shane Corptech. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 14:56, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

It looks like your ideal names are nonsense. Their names are perfectly logical. Except for Goopy and Cycl0n3 and Kaylynn, Goopy's name is funny, Cycl0n3' name is like a username and Kaylynn should be, too, in Kathrine. And why should they change their names with your ideal ones? I didn't even heard these ones yet and they aren't illogical in my opinion. The developers thought these names 'cause of satisfaction of their appearances or maybe they're reach in their deadline. And you still satisfied with your weird ideal names to call them?-- ThePeculiarMe  |  (talk to me)  4:41, May 4, 2014

There are people named Kaylynn and people named Kathrine. (Caitlin, Katleen, Kitlee, Caetlaine, ecc...) It's just diff. ways to spell something. Like how there's Darlene Bunch and Darleen Dreamer\Matlapin. Or how there's Ashlee Wade, Ashleigh Ashford, Ash Alioto, Ashay Bell, and Ashley Corono. Names are spelt anyhow you want. Kaylynn Langerak sounds as logic as Kathrine Langerak just like how Kinslee Hudson sounds as logic as Kinsley Hudson. Ok, maybe it would sound prettier if she was going by Kaylynn Mae? Her older brother was supposed to be named Donyelle before they settled on Parker. (i guess portmanteau-ish of Don + Daniel? Did they want her to go for guys with similiar names to her bro?) We have Simis and Jocasta Bachelor and their daughter's name is supposedly short for Belladonna. There's a Gobias Koffi and a Boyd Wainwright in town. Do you seriously think people in real life name their sons Simis, Gobias, Boyd, Donyelle\Parker, Stiles, or Vidcund? (It's a videogame, get away with it.) Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 14:20, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Well, my friend whose name is Simis and I heard there's a name Boyd as well, so, yeah there are names like that. These names would have been almost related to the  real life names. Also, The Sims is a game, it's just portrayed as a real life world and not as same as a world like we live right now. The developers thinking their names in creative way. If you name them like in real life names, it would be dull and useless to remember them so they have to do it. Although they'll still remember depending to play them or their traits.  ThePeculiarMe  |  (talk to me)  14:35, May 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not living in the US myself, so I don't know. I can only say they're pretty unique names and you don't always find people with such names. Please don't get offended. I agree that names like Ashlee, Ashleigh, Ash, Ashay, etc. are just variants and they're pretty normal. But, what I don't understand is why you would think Malcolm Landgraab should be Malcent Leisureton, Holly Alto should be Oliviera V. Altomare, and so on. Those names aren't strange, so I didn't see the reason why they should be called with really unrelated different names. Don't get me wrong. The names you suggested were cool, but I didn't know why you thought they should be called differently to begin with.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:40, May 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, i do not really think malcolm should be Malcent and holly should be Oliviera: actually "Malcent Leisureton" and "Oliviera V. Altomare" sound like names they would have if they were in some "Black Butler meets Rose of Versailles meets Ouran"-type anime instead of TS3. "Malcolm Landgraab" and "Holly Alto" also match them, but sound like names of videogame characters. So does "Kaylinn Langerak". And yes, Sim(is) and Boyd are also surnames or similiar in various places. Gobias is actually the portmanteau of "George" and "Tobias" (as in Arrested Developement) which are also surnames. So is parker and stiles really. Back in 1850-1930 having surnames as your first name was the cool thing. And yeah, "Parker Donyelle Langerak-Mae" is an awesome full name. Whether it's actually real last names or not. I heard Vidcund Curious was actually named after someone named Vidkun Quisling. (But since he lives in Strangetown, it's more likely that when Kitty was pregnant with him, she had a dream that there was a ghost or some sort of other supernatural or alien that told Kitty she should name the baby Vidcund or that ghost\apparition would do weird things to Kitty and\or Glarn\Jenny\Pascal.) And really, you can have anything for your sim's surname. So anything can be a surname or first name in TS3. You could have John Smith kissing Ploopy Sisillyngderp while Auntie P. Connemara-Lanclaynard cheers on the happy couple. Depending on what (themed) default replacement name list you may have installed, after 20 simdays or so you could find John Keaton marrying Winglong Ursine or Mangodazzle Wainwright. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 12:04, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Wish
she wishes to be the master of the arts, because she has 3 or 4 points in the painting skill .--Nacho 00:09, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Death od Kaylynn Langerak
hi.. in my story.. she dies always.. as teenager.. from fire.. from starving.. from drowned..(that's randomly) is that not a glitch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bella4114 (talk • contribs) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~

Spanish?
Why are there 4 Spanish for Kaylynn Langerak? Latin Spanish? Latin American Spanish? Spanish? European Spanish?  Nikel  Talk  07:21, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Anime Kaylynn
Look at this cute anime pic I made of her: Spaced Out Guy (talk) 13:31, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

She doesn't look much like Kaylynn, but I like the anime picture :)  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:28, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ohmy! She is so Kawaii!!! :D --  ThePeculiarMe  |  (talk to me)  15:24, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Are the Sims 2 and Sims 3 Kaylynn Langerak, one and the same?
Of course they are! I'm not trying to sound like only an idiot wouldn't believe that, but it's pretty obvious.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:39, March 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Umm TS2 KL: naturally blonde, green eyes, S1 still S2, apparently Caucasian, only slightly older than Don and the Calientes. And she had a twin.


 * TS3 KL: naturally dark-haired, black eyes, S2, apparently half Asian, older than both Mortimer and Bella. Does not have a twin but she has an older brother and an aunt. She has the neat and perfectionist traits even tho TS2 KL only has 6 neat points. Some languages have them with different first names meaning that they may actually be two members of the same family.


 * So they're not the same person, if they are, maybe she died on her first day of Teenagehood and Bella used a Magic World potion to revive her after she found the body, but at the time, Cassandra was already on her 2nd-3rd day of Teenhood, thus making Kaylinn younger than Cassandra. Or a time warp like thing\time travel. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 15:10, May 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the rudeness but some people (whoever they are and I) are don't care your details. You see, there's a Kaylynn Langerak page and all the details are in. And players will have to find out themselves. And you should talk to the developers or the professionals in this wiki why it is confusing of the age of Kaylynn and to the other Sims. And also, there aren't any potion in the base game. Rather, it's in EP's, you know that, right?  ThePeculiarMe  |  (talk to me)  15:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with ThePeculiarMe. All those differences are simply oversight during the game's development. These details don't mean anything much. Anyone (mostly casual players) who has played The Sims 2 before The Sims 3 will recognize and accept that these are the same Kaylynn Langerak instinctively. This is because casual players don't want to research their DNAs just to check whether they're actually the same person or not. Given the overall appearance is identical, of course they'd immediately think they're the same.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  16:39, May 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I still believe that the two Kaylynns (or rather one) are one and the same. Personally, I believe that Kaylynn could have had access to one or more of the following items at some point in her life - Elixir of Life, Life Fruit, a Sim Modder, Laganaphyllis Simnovorii milk or Fountain of Youth Elixir. Then by the time of The Sims 2 she is on her 1st day as an Adult and not on her 9th day as an Elder (that's probably how old she would have been logically, being 4 days older than Mortimer and Bella Goth in the Sims 2). Unfortunately I still flatly refuse to believe that The Sims 3 Kaylynn and the Sims 2 Kaylynn could possibly be different, unless there is any concrete evidence to convince me otherwise.


 * Still everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 01:09, May 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no actual evidence. IIRC she does not start up as being friends with Bella and Mortimer, her skin might have gotten paler with age, she may wear contacts, and once i had Parker and Erin Kennedy have a blonde daughter (another time Parker and Holly Alto had a black-hair daughter, but Nick Alto has black hair too. & in that savefile actually Holly married Miraj while Parker was in the business career and moved in with his best friend: Nancy Landgraab. Yay for soapopera-ish storylines.) so both Parker and Kaylinn may have recessive genetics for blonde. Being quite old and still trying to look around 40-50 might have took a toll on her face structure. When she was chosen by the SP gods to become a maid after the untimely demise of Miss Brigit, she became 40-years-old forever. She is trying to get in the premade's lives to become playable again. She lost all her money because she was now a NPC maid, the inheritance went to the kid(s) of Parker and Bebe Hart. Also, she originally wanted to became a painter but when she became a teen she realized her destiny. This is why she never progressed with her creativity\painting skill. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 20:25, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * At the start of The Sims 2, Kaylynn would have been in her early twenties. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 22:43, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yup but the TS3 maids start out on their first day of Adult which would be middle-aged. Maybe she just ages slowly or drank youth potions. Or died on her first day of teen and was resurrected later which also changed her appearance. Or she was not originally even suppose to be Kaylynn, but some new character who just happened to look a bit similiar and have a similiar personality, & they decided to turn her into Kaylynn. It does not even make sense to have Kaylynn be there without Daniel (who would actually be not born yet but instead jeff and diane would be teens), Mary-Sue (again, she will not be born yet but her adoptive parents would be teens - or maybe in their late kid stage, they were alive in TS2) and Don (again, his parents would just be a little older than Herb and Coral...) Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 05:44, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's very unlikely that they aren't the same Kaylynn. And there's no evidence that she ever died either. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 05:48, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that there is no doubt that the two Kaylynns are the same. She has the same hair and eye colour for one thing. Her facial features for another, not to mention the clothes aren't too different. Also this part of her biography - when she gets a break from cleaning up after everyone - is an obvious reference to her future as a Pleasantview Maid. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 22:45, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

I doubt that these are the same Kaylynn Langeraks. More likely than not, TS2 Kaylynn is a relative of TS3 Kaylynn. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 04:09, July 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Umm it's not the same eye color, TS3 Kaylinn has dark-brown eyes or maybe dark-orange\dark-yellow. TS2 Kaylinn clearly has green eyes. Also, if TS2 Kaylinn really is a natural blonde she should be blonde as a kid. And clothes mean nothing, There could be an household of two friends that dress the same but that does not mean they're related. I could play as the Keatons and when their son gets YA, i could give him clothes based on Boyd Wainwright's Adult-stage outfit and maybe even Boyd's signature haircolor too, but that would not mean they were related either. It's a sandbox game, right? I could, like, kidnap Bella, change her name to Hex Periment, and keep her in a basement, if i wanted to. I could add Sam, Sandi, the Unborn Son Keaton, and the Unborn Girl Ursine to my household, and be an abusive guardian to them... Abusive guardian legacy that is an idea... Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 07:59, July 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure if the two Kaylynns were different, there would be concrete evidence to prove it. The Malcolm Landgraabs are all different, but that's pretty obvious, given that their names are often succeeded by 'II', 'III' or 'IV'. Otherwise they have completely different family ties, back stories and appearances. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 07:42, July 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * As i said, it's a sandbox game, you can treat them as the same person or as relatives. Or as the Kaylinn Langerak(s) in Pleasantwiew and the custom NHoods are "bad" clones of TS3!Kaylinn. (Or, what if TS3!Kaylinn is set AFTER TS2!Kaylinn? When Don stepped into the teleporter, Kaylinn was nearby, her genetics were scrambled and she turned into a child. And she was now in the past. So she was adopted by Dustin and Iliana, who are\were actually Kaylinn's grandparents. TS2!Kaylinn's original parents were Parker and River McIrish, then. Her TS3 Bio says "father, brother, and aunt" but that's just Adoptive and it's actually "grandfather, father, and great-aunt" respectively. She just does not remember it.) Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 20:25, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

@Kaiko Mikkusu - I don't think you and I are on the same page in terms of Kaylynn Langerak's background information.

When Kaylynn was created in The Sims 2, she was supposed to be just an NPC Maid like any other, but the developers then chose to give her the additional role as the love interest to Don Lothario and Daniel Pleasant. At the time the game developers didn't know that they would later include Kaylynn as a playable character in The Sims 3. Because Kaylynn was little more than just an NPC Maid in the Sims 2, the developers didn't bother to give her family ties or memories, and it was almost pointless to give her a pre-set biography.

When it was decided to give Kaylynn more recognition as a playable character in the prequel the Sims 3, the developers couldn't just go back and add her family ties etc. in the Sims 2 because it was already released.

I can understand why some people don't fully understand all this information as it is very complicated. But I hope this information will clear things up a bit. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:27, July 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * You could say the same about Goopy. (But also Gordon King, Crystal Vu, Abhjeet Cho, and Meredith Lillard. Even though these four are not in TS3.) The only TS2 townie with a bio, it's actually Bella Goth (both the Pleasantwiew and the Strangetown versions use the TS1 Bella bio) and she's pratically not a townie anyway. She was not generated the same way as Crystal and Abhjeet, and is kinda different from them in terms of memories and skills she comes with. Abhjeet is always in the Sports career with the same amount of skills and remembers becoming best friends and kissing someone plus moving in your town and maybe going to university if you have the EP pack. Bella's career is randomized same with her skillset and she has the same memories as a fresh-off-CAS single female sim living alone. Also, for some reason, in the French and Thai versions, her name comes from Kitty Curious instead of having the same name as Pleasantwiew Bella. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 03:32, July 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah but it would not make sense to actually have her without having Daniel and Don in there. Unless she just happens to be the actual person Cassie is suppose to end up with in canon. Or that it's just a game and we should not think about it too much even through Blair, Cycl0n3, Susan, and Boyd are basically family to me. When i played Tess Holloway and saw that Kaylinn became a teenager, i just thought that the TS3 Langerak family was loosely based on TS2 Kaylinn Langerak. But that TS2 Kaylinn was made through the Tombstone of Life and Death, and the name is just a coincidence. Like how there are two Ivy Copur's. So in canon it's just a coincidence and thus we should treat it, like it is, right? Because canonically the TS2 NPC's were made from the Tombstone of Life and Death. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 16:04, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Pregnancy Modifier Token
It says that in The Sims 2, Kaylynn has the pregnancy modifier token, indicating that she was a twin (and has an increased likelihood of having twins herself).

If I can recall correctly, Kaylynn does have this token when viewed in SimPE. However I'm not very clear on how the pregnancy modifier token is supposed to indicate that Kaylynn herself was a twin. Doesn't the pregnancy modifier token only mean that the Sim has an increased likelihood of having twins, not an indicator that they were a twin as well? --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 00:57, March 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Since no one responded within a reasonable amount of time, I've taken matters into my own hands once again, and removed the part suggesting that Kaylynn was a twin, but keeping the part implying that Kaylynn has an increased likelihood of having twins, if she has any children. ―  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 02:44, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Page glitch
Someone has deleted this entire page. I have refreshed several times and waited for it to load but there was nothing on the page except categories. I looked on my computer and my iPad by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morrigan Hemlock (talk • contribs) 16:22, October 15, 2015‎ (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~
 * It appears that you refreshed with the button top-left on your screen, but you need to use the refresh option on Wikia. You can get that by clicking the down-pointing arrow right to edit and then click on it, then you have some options. Then click refresh. then the page must be fixed. It's a well-known glitch that can occur at random moments. ;) Sims  Plumbob.png  Player  (talk) (mistakes) 16:33, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to purge the page, see Help:Purge. It's a bug that Wikia never got around to fixing, and I don't see them fixing it anytime soon. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  16:35, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've experienced that glitch many times, and initially I reverted my edit (or undid my edit, if I made more than one consecutive edit to the page), until I realised that the glitch didn't actually "cause the revision to genuinely blank the page". I don't recall experiencing it until some point this year, so I think it's a fairly new glitch, or somewhat new. ―  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 02:37, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

She was played less
She was played less, this is why there are age inconsistencies between the games. It's because some sims would logically have been played less than others (in TS2 and TS1) and thus age and generation discrepancies happen a lot. So you can't know if two sims of the same lifestage were indeed born at roughly the same time, or if Sim 1 aged to said lifestage way before Sim 2's parents and grandparents were born, although now Sim 1 and 2 are in the same lifestage. All the TS3 worlds are 25 years before TS1, beside Lunar Lakes (far future), Dragon Valley (far past? in other plane of existence), Oasis Landing (even further far future), and Sunlit Tides (between TS1 and TS2). Plus, canon in sims games does'nt really exist, if you play TS3 it always end up completely different than how the neighborhood and families were in TS1 and TS2 (and\or TS4), unless you force the sims to marry each other and have the same kids they had in TS1 and TS2. Kaiko Mikkusu (talk) 11:45, September 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * There's no proof that she was played less. That's all speculation. Besides she was a regular NPC in The Sims 2 and all adult NPCs, with the exception of Bella Goth (Strangetown) and the Headmasters with an ambiguous age, have 29 days left in the adult life stage. But we can't just mention this in the article because it's just not relevant for inclusion. ― C.Syde  ( talk  |  contribs ) 11:52, September 5, 2016 (UTC)