Talk:Fitness (attribute)

I didn't notice that kids' fitness could change until after I installed Seasons, but I don't know when that was introduced. Dharden 22:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Just a note to future readers, kids' fitness levels have been able to change since the base game. It's just that they don't flex their muscles when they notice that their fitness has increased.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs )

Merge
I can see merging into Body shape. Dharden (talk) 02:46, October 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't really have anything to consider, so I guess I'd support the merge.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  14:52, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if the page should be called Body Shape or Fitness, or perhaps something else altogether. Thoughts? --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 16:09, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no idea but suddenly the word Weight comes up in my mind. --Walker guy94  Talk to me! 16:16, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Body shape/body type is a pretty basic attribute of Sims, so I think we should have an article on it. I say merge into Body shape. Dharden (talk) 16:26, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think body shape is more general than fitness. The scope can even include weight, I guess.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  04:58, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * When is this article going to merge? Joey.eyeball (talk) 01:27, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fit and Slim Sims in the Sims 2
Is there an actual physical difference between fit and slim sims in body shape. Sometimes on close examination, fit sims may tend to have narrower waists and slightly broader shoulders when wearing their gym clothes. But most of the time these two body shapes look exactly alike. C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 07:02, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * As you noted, there's usually not much of a visible difference -- at least, not one that's visible without looking closely or zooming in close. However, in The Sims 2, we are not limited to visual examination of the Sim. We can look in the Simology panel and see both the fitness scale and which body shape a Sim is using. We can open a Sim's file in SimPE and see which body shape flags are set and where the fitness scale is. As noted in the article, premade Sims often have mismatches between the fitness scale and the body shape flags, so there's room for discussion as to whether to use the visual appearance (controlled by the flags) or the value of the fitness scale, but we should not rely on a subjective visual examination given that objective data is available. Dharden (talk) 13:31, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I've just performed a close examination on the Body shapes of a thin Sim (Bianca Monty) and a fit Sim (Regan Capp). And their body shapes are exactly alike. So the fit fitness level is obviously just an extra body flag designed to represent Sims who are even fitter than the Sims of a regular fitness level. I guess that explains why the fit fitness level can't be accessed through Create a Sim. Because as it turns out, there are no physical differences in body shape between thin and fit Sims.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 03:56, June 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, that's incorrect. There are physical differences in fit and thin body shapes. Like Dharden said, it's not obvious, but there are indeed differences. Take a closer look to these images. Fit Sims have more noticeable abs than thin Sims. The differences are very subtle though, but the physical appearances are different nonetheless.


 * Body shape flags are a good indicator to tell what body shape a Sim has, since it's rather difficult to tell with naked eye.  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  06:41, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Normally you can only tell the differences between fit and slim Sims when they are in their togs / bikinis. Also as I pointed out on my first post on this page you can sometimes see a difference when they are doing a fitness activity. But there are times when thin and fit Sims are visually identical. When I examined Regan and Bianca's body shapes they were or at least they were visually identical. Literally I took a snapshot of one, and then moved the other one in their place using Moveobjects on, and then I compared the pictures. I think the reason why they were identical is because they were wearing their everyday outfits.

I think the overall difference is more noticeable in male Sims than female Sims. And I'm unsure whether there's a difference in thin and fit child Sims. Of course, Sims like Ariel Capp would still technically be 'thin' even with the 'fit' body shape flag, as toddlers don't have genuine fitness level shapes.  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:56, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fitness change
IIRC, townies and unselectable Sims can gain or lose fitness, but not change their body shape. So when in a community lot with fitness equipment, they may work out and gain fitness, but their body shape will stay the same and not become fit. I may need to check it again in the game some time...  Nikel  Talk  –  Vote!  13:51, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Confirmed - I've seen townies with full body fitness after they spend too much time in my fitness center and sport green whiff clouds. In my experience, they won't change their body shape until they do something that affects their fitness while they are selectable. There are mods that allow unselectable Sims to gain/lose fitness and change body shapes, however. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 13:57, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I sit corrected. Thanks, folks. Dharden (talk) 15:03, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

That is correct!  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 03:56, June 12, 2014 (UTC)