Lolita Goth/theories

Lolita Goth has the surname Goth, but she is not found in the Goth Family Tree, so, who is she? Post your theories below.

== 	Theories ==

* 		The most logical explanation, in my opinion, is that she was Gunther's wife as a young adult, before he met Cornelia. However, she died (of electrocution, it would seem) and Gunther married Cornelia. At this point, the two of them were already getting somewhat old, and had Mortimer a bit late in life. However, Lolita's ghost still appears to have feelings for Gunther.

* 		Gunther's cousin

* 		She cant be Gunther's sister! I was playing my game and I saw Gunther flirting with her! It would be logical if she was his ex-wife, then she wouldn't be on the family tree. Thats why Gunther and Cornelia took so long to have Mortimor.

* 		Why does everyone keep saying "there was no room for her"? Don't you realize, there is/was a cheat to let you have more than 8 people in a household at once? Therefore, obviously, it had to have a purpose at least once in-game. So, scratch that off your little theories list :]. Also, remember you can change your name at town hall. But, seriously, don't make a big deal out of it. It's probably just an easter egg.. I'm upset there's a theory for every person that died 'young' -.- xRockettex 04:08, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

* 		She's Victor Goth's ex-wife. People say it's Gunther's sister or ex-wife, but it say so in his LTR, which says 'acquientence'. She could also be Victor's great aunt or grandmother, seeing as she has the family genes.

*		She's probably just a cousin my marriage who died young

*		I personally think she is indeed Frida but i do not know why they changed the name but I know how they could have got her on the tree. They could have played as Victor and Gretle and made them have two children a boy and a girl by making Gretle eat apples(Gunther)and watermelons(Frida)during her pregnancies.

*		I think she was Gunther's first wife, but Gunther's family didn't like her so his mom or dad broke the tv and peed under/near/around it, and made her fix it so she would die of electrocution.

*		I think she was Gunthers First wife. But maybe she was poor so his parents did not like her. So Victor broke the tv and put water under it he asked her to fix it then she died

*		I think she is the daughter of Victor Goth in another relationship, then Lolita's mom could died when she was a child so Victor let her to live in his house, some time later, Victor met Gretel and had a child, Gunther Goth. Between this time, Lolita dies by electrocution. Lolita is Gunther Goth's stepsister. Peter RKO 00:59, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

*		I just think she was Gunther's first wife, and then she died, and he met Cornelia and so on. I don't think she is Frida Goth. Frida just wasn't put on the family tree as a mistake, and Lolita obviously isn't her.

*		Can't you guys just stop looking for logical assumptions about everything? IT IS JUST A MISTAKE BY EA BLACK BOX. KTHXBAI. - JEA13 [ iTalk ] 18:28, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

*		She is from another Goth Family.

*		She is Victor Goth's Niece

*		She is Gunther's first wife.

*		Actually, this is quite possible as when her ghost came to the Goth Manor on mine once Gunther Goth had the ability to flirt with her (which he did).So who is Lolita Xxgreenbunnyxx

*		She is Victor's teenager mother who died.

*		She is Gunther's Sister who died while he was a baby, therefore no rememberance. The parents have kept Lolita as a secret.

*		Victor's Lover who assumed the last name Goth, Relation to the novel, Lolita.

*		She is actually Frida Goth, Since Frida's tombstone cannot be found anywhere.

*		She was the young maid in the Goth Manor, when Gunther returned to live home Gunther and Lolita fell in love, but sense she was only a maid Gretle wouldnt allow it. So they ran off and married in secret. Gretle was furious that her son married a MAID. She tried to get ride of her with large amounts of money but when she found out Lolita was pregnate she killed her. With her money she covered it up to make it look like a brake in and the robber had murdered her.

*		Lolita doesn't appear on the Goth family tree, so she was unrelated. Supporting this idea is that all of the Goths have British or German names, while Lolita is a European [not Japanese] fashion style. Therefor, she's not blood related, but she still gained the Goth surname. Mortimer is still very young, but his parents are almost elders. This means that he would have been born around the time Gunther and Cornelia became Adults. Why wasn't he born earlier? Because Gunther and Cornelia weren't married yet, because Gunther was married to Lolita. Lolita died of electrocution, a horrible accident. Gunther married Cornelia sometime later, after he had gotten over Lolita's death, erasing Lolita from the family tree to be replaced with Cornelia. And she still haunts Gunther, in love even after death. KazeNoYouko 23:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

*		In the German translations, she is Frieda.--Rodolphus 18:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

*		She didn't marry anyone, she's a teen. young adult And she doesn't have any relations with the Goth family, cause when the family members talk to her, they would have a "family" icon displaying under her face in their relations panel. Maybe she was the child of someone who lived in the house and died, so she changed her family name to Goth, or something like that. She's not blood related to the family.

*		There is joke of author.

*		She was the secret young lover of Victor Goth and when she finally realised that he would never leave his wife for her, she decided to get back at him by seducing and marrying his son, Gunther (before he was married to Cornelia). It was however not long after that Lolita very suspiciously passed away.

*		I think that they meant for her to be part of the Goth family, but they realized that when they made the Goth Family, there were 9 members and they could only make 8 in one family. This was a problem that they could have worked around, but they obviously didn't want to put in more work editing family trees, as edvidenced by the fact that the Goth family is one of probably 5 families featured in-game that have ancestors, meaning that it was already enough work for them to keep the dead parents married. M. H. Avril 00:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

*		I have 2 theories!She is Frida Goth's secret daughter...Frida got pregnant but Victor didn't approve cos she wasn't married,so she gave her up.23 years later,Victor killed Lolita so she cound'nt ever see her Mum.Number two:She is Mortimer's sister...They had her as young adults and when Cornelia and Gunther had just become Adults and Cornelia was pregnant with Morty,she was electrocuted.

*		She was a former afair of Gunther, she became obssesed and changed her last name assuming Gunther would leave Cornelia. When he didn't, she took a bath and dumped a toaster into it, thus commiting suicide. She had a friend bury her in the Goth graveyard while the family was away.

*		My theories 1. Developers made a mistake while creating the Goth family (like always) and were thinking of the dead relatives. They created Lolita Goth forgetting about Frida for a while then they remembered her and changed her name to Lolita which in german trranslation her name is Frida. 2. She is Gunther's first wife and she died while he was at work while fixing a broken television. Gunther later met Cornelia which replaced Lolita in the family tree. 3. Gunther's sister and as someone said before she died while he was a baby so he didnt remember and there parents kept her a secret. 4. a random person with the last name Goth. The Goth family falsely believed they were related and buried her in the graveyard. (sorry i'm letting my mind wander)

*		She was the fionce of GUNTHER Goth, and they were engaged. It was really close to the wedding day, she changed her last name early. Then she was strunck by lightening, (or by a broken TV) Gunther was crushed, but eventually moved on and married Cornelia when they were adults. (Lolita was his young adult lover)

*		Either Victor or Gunther's first wife.

*		She could be a dead reletive that the Goth familly tree just dosnt go far enough back to show, that and it could have just been a mistake by Maxis.

*		When maxis made the goths they got victor and gretle to wooho. (i think frida is older than guther beacuse she dead in sims 1) But but victor and gretle had a boy (guther) so they did not want to do it again so the kept going. so in the end the made frida but called her lolita.

*		I just think that perhaps shes meant to be Gunthers cousin. That would work as we don't know if Victor had siblings but its a strong possibility.Matta jr 00:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

*		Since she's related to nobody in the house, the only way she's called "Goth" and that she's still here is that she was the beloved wife of either Gunther or Victor. Her death remains mysterious, but regarding to her totally obsolete clothing, she was most likely Victor's first wife, and her death might have occured some 40 or 50 years before the story starts. Maybe the T.V., but since she's just dead and that there's no reason this death occured in the only ways the sims can die in the game, she also might have been electrified by thunder, while reading a book across a tree.

*		1.) It's possible that she could have been a wife of any of the Goth family members, probably Victor, only because she has no record of parents and neither do any of the Sims in Victor's generation, so maybe she married Victor Goth and died when they were young adults. (the color of her ghost suggests that she was electracuted) Therefore she must have died before Victor married Grettle OR 2.) Maxis created this charactor specificlly to arise susppicion and make a mystery. Which is like what he did in the Sims 2 with Bella Goth. It never says she was abducted by aliens, but it is a fun mystery to make up stories of what happened to her.

*		I find Lolita Goth to be an Easter Egg to tickle our fancy, but I guess that she would be Victor's first wife before Gretle - she was electrocuted and Victor remarried Gretle. Or maybe she was Victor's live-in girlfriend/fiancée that was electrocuted.

*		Think about it, everyone on the Goth Family Tree (excluding Erik Darling) Simon Prudence Agnes Cornelia Mortimer Gunther Victor Gretle, thats 8 people, my theory is that she was originally supposed to be Frida Goth, Gunther's Sister but as there were already 8 sims so they couldn't thus they changed her name to Lolita Goth, killed her at Goth manor, then moved the Goths in to move the grave causing us to think that she was Gunther/Victor's first Wife*

*		Actually, Lolita is Victor's first wife, no relation to Gunther because she died before she was born. She is not related to Gunther and spouses dissapear when they die so that explains why she's not on the family tree. When she was dead, Victor married Gretle.

*		Frida and Lolita are pratically lookalikes, as shown in the pictures below, which boosts the lost sister theory

*		I think that perhaps she was an illegitimate child of Gunther and Cornelia. This would explain why she looks similar to Frida, but not entirely. She may have been kept a secret and sent away, but then happened upon an untimely death by electrocution. Before her murder but after her birth, Gunther and Cornelia could have gotten married and had Mortimer to take the place of their lost daughter. Upon her death, police would have taken a DNA sample and traced her to the Goth couple who only saw their daughter dead and insisted upon having her buried in the family grave yard.

*		Lolita is Gunther and Cornelia's first child who, by mistake was taken away because they never spent enough time with her, her Social need dropped, and within an hour the evil Social Worker can and took her away.* As a teen, she was let out to live with the Roomies or someother household. When she came back as a young adult to meet them, they claimed the infant Mortimer as their only child at first and then Cornelia remember her first birth, and called her and she lived there a while(a couple days, long enough for a electronic to break, at least) and heard the sparks and tried to fix it but upon crossing the wrong wires, was pronounced dead when Cornelia came back from the grocery store and Gunther came back from work. The paniced, took young Mortimer to Agnes to babysit him while the took her to the emergency room to be checked. They waited until midnight, when they left and came back two days later, only to find her in a death bed. Mortimer cried and Cornelia and Gunther decided to bury her in their yard. Upon her abuction from the Social Worker she was erased from the family tree. Simple as that(This is not exact but the abuction and reunited Goth family and electrocution are very well, TRUE, possibly)*

**				Contradiction here, sorry, you cant have kids if the social workers take one away.

**				Another contradiction, Lolita's ghost is the same age as Cornelia which would mean that she must be on the same generation as Cornelia The Samster 21:02, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

**				 A contradiction to the contradiction^ here, Ghosts do not age unless restored, meaning she could have died anytime in the sunset valley timeline,this is why you don't see the "cant be restored" notice for old ghosts.--81.141.169.96 12:09, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

* 		Lolita Lápida es Frida Lápida / Lolita Goth is Frida Goth



by Elviralapida

*		I think she might be Victor Goth's sister, or maybe Gunther or Victor's first wife who died young. But if she was Frida, why change her name and why isnt she on anyones family tree?

*		Hello! I play TS3 in spanish because is my maternal language,i think that Lolita Goth is Frida Goth,for example Kaylynn Langerak in the Sims 2 in spanish her name was "Claudia López" now in the sims 3 her name is "Lalila López".

*		Stop saying that she is Frida Goth.Ghosts don't age, so she wouldn't have been able to jump from Young Adult to Elder. Also just because Frida isn't on the game doesn't necesarilly mean she's dead. As I have prieviously stated, ghosts don't age, so she must have been Elder when she died, meaning that if she was dead in the Sims 3, she must have been and Elder but Gunther is only Young Adult so this makes her being dead extremely unlikely. My theory is that She is some distant relative (something like Gunther's great-great-great-great grandfather's great-great-great-great granddaughter) that is so far away on the family tree, it is barely possible to fit on, that's parents died and she went to live with Gunther and Cornelia and electrocuted herself. (She is the same age as Cornelia and Gunther). The Samster 21:02, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

*		She was probably the first wife of Gunther or Victor. If you marry but your spouce dies they don't appear on the family tree, at least I think they don't.--Liquid Ink 10:02, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

* 		maybe she was a daughter that they kicked out that happens.

* 		She's Goth Boy aka Alexander Goth's daughter. Zordon123456789mlw7 02:13, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

* 		Maybe she was related, but then she moved into the library and lost her relationship status?

* 		I just thought she was an ancestor of the Goths... that house is REALLY old. Lolita could trace back to Victorian times...

*		I think Lolita is Gunther's very first wife. Lolita died young!

*		We know for sure that she is noone's sister, and she is not Frida, (she could be, but the chances are so minimal.) She could either be a divorced wife (this is possible as this would erase her from family tree and memories in TS2 aren't in TS3. Also, Lolita's first 3 letters make Lol, implying she could be a laughing stock.) Or, she could be a distant relative, or just simply an Easter Egg made to make people laugh or question who she is. Hopefully, her identity will be revealed in a future expansion.

*		I believe it was a mistake, but the mistake drew from their joke of making her just like the character Dolores Hazes in Lolita.

*		I think it was either a joke or a mistake. The joke seems plausible as her name is "Lol"ita. Maybe she died in a humiliating way/life.

*		Lolita is not there just because of "lol" in her name, Her name originates from things like "Gothic Lolita" read the articles

*		I have. I just think it's a joke by EA. Of course the name Loluta originaates from there and the actual name Lolita.

*		I think Lolita was engaged to Gunther Goth, lovers don't appear on family trees unless their married. She shortly died of Electruction as a young adult. As everybodies said, Frida wasn't able to fit.

*		True, they also don't appear if the person divorces them and also for so,me reason I find if a married couple has 1 death by anything, then the tree looks broken. This remains so when the other parent dies. Anyone know why?

*		She could be a lot of things, but I think she can't be Gunther's first wife... She is so sweet, and Gunther is so gothic!!!! And I also think they look more like brothers 0_0' Maybe Ea made her to put more mistery in the family, you know, Bella is a child in TS3, and all the mistery of her abducion can't be on the game because it's shows her past. So, knowing about Frida, they decided to make Lolita to make us, poor simmers, crazy. Maybe they will tell all the misteries on one Exp. pack... I also think it's important to show the past of the Goth family (a new neighborhood showing the Victor's generation would be interesting...). Dawn01 02:43, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

*		I guess Elviralapida is right. If not, where is Frida Goth? BTW, Lolita has been playable through the Oh My Ghost! opportunity that she aged into an elder.

*		Lolitha is the granddaughter of Mortimer(that's way she isn't in the familytree,because she hasn't been born yet!)She was sent back in to the past to stop something(maybe Bella's abduction?)but she was sent way back before Mortimer was born,then she died and started to haunt the Goth's house.

*		Think about it LOLita Goth and everyone knows LOL means Laugh Out Loud which is funny or a JOKE, It's quite simple really but believe in what you want. This is just my theory.

*		i think she is some woman who stalked the goth family, and changed her name to goth. when one of the members found out, they must of invited her to there house, and spilled something down her so she had to take a bath, and dumped a tv or something in there.

*		I think Lolita was Gunther's first wife before he met Cornelia, and then she got electrocuted when they were young and had just gotten married. Gunther could have met Cornelia after Lolita died. --Sparrowsong 04:35, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

*		I think that lolita was a repairwoman that had the same last name as the goths,but that wasn't related to them (explaining why she isn't in the family tree).She tried to claim their fortune and to get rid of her,Ghunter asked her to repair a TV.She got electrocuted and died.

*		how could you guys be so foolish, obviously lolita and frida have a few similarities, and because she, gunther and cornelia are in the same age range, its easily assumed that she is just a sister of gunthers who was killed when they were all young adults, and because she has similarities to frida, they could have been twins, but lolita died. its just stupid to think that she is an ex wife of gunthers, because she and cornelia are in the same generation, that would mean she was really young when she married gunther, and thats not right.

*		I think since the Goth family live at the pleasant rest graveyard, she is just somebody who grave was desroyed in the making of the goth family home and she just happened to have the same last name.

*		It makes perfect sense that she is Gunther's first wife. I mean, both Gunther and Cornelia are pretty aged adults, and their son is young, so they must have had him when they were already adults (unlike most families who had their kids as YOUNG adults)...Therefore, Lolita could have been in his life before Cornelia did. Or she is really LOLita...Like, Laughing Out Loud.....I'm pretty sure an EA creator of the Sims 3 must be laughing out loud himself while reading these nutty ideas. Katy 18:31, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

*		Lolita is a secret daughter of Victor and Gretle they had her when they were not ready...she came to the Goth Home when Victor and Gretle were dead and she tried to convince Gunther she was his and Frida's sister but they didn't believe her and in sadness she electrocuted herself and Mortimer seeing all this moved her grave into their yard in place of Frida. or 2. she is Frida

*		i think that she was gunther's cousin

*		I think Lolita was Gunther's first wife. She died young when she was repairing something, and his grief over her took control, therefore he was married to Cornelia when he was an Adult already, because he couldn't find the perfect woman to replace Lolita. And maybe Cornelia didn't want to marry quickly because she wanted to accompany her sister, Agnes, who was left by Erik. Perhaps Gunther also married Cornelia because he didn't want the family to die in male line, even though Cornelia was, although beautiful, not flirty. And Cornelia actually still wanted to have more children after she had Mortimer, that's why there was a baby's room on the highest floor of the manor. But Gunther thought one child was enough, since his child was male thus his son could continue the bloodline. He was not interested on having babies with Cornelia, actually, because he had always loved Lolita.

*		^ So, that would explain why is so difficult to put Gunther and Cornelia to woo-hooo... Makes a lot of sense! (poor Cornelia...) Only EA can say the truth about Lolita. For me, they made her to put more mistery in the game.Dawn01 (just helping supporting other theories)

*		For some reason me and my mates if you look back at the first pics you see a robber with ginger hair and we think she changed her name at town hall to lolita goth then she died and her grave sent to the goth house because the goth and victor just put her in there grave because hes so nice :)

*		i think she is gunther and fridas sister, and i agree with one of the statements above that lolita and frida are twins because they do have similarities, but one reason she is not on the family tree is because the game couldn't fit her in, or she was estranged from her family.

*		I think she was a repair women that came to the goths to fix something but got eletrucuted and when she died one of the Goths kept her grave

*		Another theory here. Lolita isn't related through blood, but her relation to the Goths dates back to when slaves were exported from Afsimca. Lolita's ancestors were slaves but on of them was freed by one of the goths. Her family still did their part around the house, though. Lolita fixed something and electrecuted herself.--The Samster 16:50, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

*		now remember if you make gretle goth human again, her hair is similar to lolitas and if gretle had a child with victor they could easily have lolita, she would just look like her mother, duh. and the goths only burried members of the family in the private cemetary, which means she does have to have relations to them

* 		I think that she's maybe Auntie from the Goth house in TS1. But I'm not sure. See the auntie page, and maybe it'll make sense. Katy 13:56, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

*		I dunno... dont really play Sims 3 much

*		I think she is a woman who was in love with gunther to the point of obsession, so she must have changed her last name to goth, Cornelia, Insane with Jealousy, must have invited her round to goth manor, spilt something down her so she had to take a bath, and dumped a tv or something in there. just a thought--Awesomebloodvamp 20:05, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

*		i was reading a book and it said "i don't want to stand out like a goth Lolita i dunt no how it has anithing 2 do with anithing, but waeva

~We killed all the caterpillars then complained there were no butterflies~ 

*		She and Frida may be the same person, as the developers of the game may of accidently renamed her Lolita or she changed her changed her name before the Sims 2.Tditda2010 00:21, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

*		I think she was Gunther first wife. She had died shortly after they married, and Gunther was mad. So then he fell for Cornelia a while later. They thought they weren't going to have kids, then Morty came along.

*		- Secret Undercover Sims 3 Lover

*		I think we can defintely scratch of the list that she is related by blood to the Goths because of her features. For example, she has red hair and grey eyes, while the Goths have dark hair and eyes. I agree that she was the first wife of Gunther. Everything makes since. Shame on EA for not adding Frida! They make this whole thing completely whacked up.

*		She's probably Gunther's first wife. Bleeh [ iTalk  ] 22:30, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

*		I think she is Gunther Goth's half sister. DavidMC123  Talk2Me

*		I think that Lolita might be Frida. If you look at the picture in one of these theories, you will see alot of similarities between them (i.e. eyes, nose, facial structure.) Also, Lolita does mean Frida in german, sso Frida's name before could have been Lolita before, but then some one changed her records so her name would be Frida. Then, some time later, they resureccted her, some how made her a blood member of the family, and she grew old and died a peaceful death. (But remember, this is just a theory.) ^-^

*		I think her name is just a pun on the term "Goth Lolita". Since her name is a joke, they just never bothered to give her a family with a matching last name. ~Shann

*		I think she could be the original owner of the house, and coincidentally has the same last name as Gunther's family. After she died, Gunther's family moved in. Just my theory.

*		I think she is the first wife of Gunther or Victor

*		I think that, maybe just maybe, not by blood, she is some great decendant of Frida!!!!! Lol, jk. Seriously She might just be a stalker of Guther, changed her last name, but since she couldn't get him to be with her, killed herself in their house, with help from Cornelia (*wink* *wink*, *nudge* *nudge*), so they buried her there. This of course, was before Mortimer was born, and while Gunther was with Cornelia, but Cornelia was getting angry that Gunther had a stalker and refused to sex him. But it could just be a joke on Goth Lolita. So please don't strain yourselves.

*		she is obvisiously gunther's 1st wife!! she flirts with him,shes not related. its obvious they married,then she died of electricution before they had kids because shes a young adult. then gunther married cornelia late and they had mortimer late.

*		She was going to marry a goth realative she changed her name before the wedding but died a day before. She was forgoten by some and was never a member.70.39.7.120 20:15, April 21, 2010 (UTC) Case

*		It seems most plausible that Lolita is either Victor or Gunther's first wife. Anything else is a bit far-fetched. It isn't likely she's Frida, because Frida died as an elder, while Lolita died young. With the references to "Gothic Lolita", her appearance in the game may just end up being an easter egg.Dortheabea 23:22, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

*		I Think Lolita was made to arise more msytrey and suspission in the Goth Family. Lolita could have wanted to marry Gunther so changed her name to Goth but he married Cornelia and one night in thunder and lighting Lolita and Cornelia were fighting and Cornelia pushed in to a puddle and the lighting hit her.

*		She's Gunther's first wife. One i saw her ghost in the Goth manor and she was not related to him!