The Sims Wiki:Requests for IRC Channel operator/Old archives

DanPin
I'd like to apply for IRC Channel operator rights. Sometimes I see that the channel is pretty much unattended (since the admin team isn't online or is doing other stuff at that time and thus, not paying attention to what's going on) and I believe that another person who is usually on or the most part of the day could be another hand to help.

I used to be an administrator here on the Wiki, so I know how to work with the tools provided. I try to remain civil at all times, although I get sidetracked from that on occasion.

I am now leaving this request open for discussion and also looking forward to seeing what comes from here.

22:14, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - While he can get a little bit carried away at times, DanPin is almost unarguably the most active user in the channel and back when he was an admin, his possession of operator flags did prove beneficial and I'm confident giving him another shot at this will be equally as beneficial. The aforementioned issue of him getting carried away is only a little thing and hasn't hampered his attitude towards other users and his ability to maintain the channel. 22:17, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - As roserade and labyrinth have both stated their reasons (which I agree with), there's not much else to say. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 22:18, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Since you used to have the flags I don't see why you shouldn't have them back again, especially since they weren't forcefully removed.
 * Support - --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 04:10, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak support —Random Ranaun (Talk to me! ) 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Though he has on some occasions gotten a little out of hand, it hasn't seemed to affect his ability to moderate the channel. I believe the channel would be better off if he had the flags, as the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Ben (talk) 05:15, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Approved. 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Xd1358
I might not be the most active guy on the wiki, but I'm around on the IRC channel pretty much whenever I am on the computer (yeah, pretty much). I used to be a channel op back in 2011 however it was deemed unnecessary at some point. I'm in the UTC+2 timezone, meaning I'm usually around before UTC people start coming online and after Wogan goes to bed (:3) so I guess having me as op would make sure some additional hours of a day would be covered.

I'm pretty active in #wikia-sims and I'm also an op elsewhere, so I know how the tools work. I try to stay calm and civil and I think I do a pretty good job at it.

I guess that's about it. Feel free to ask me questions if there's any. 1358 (Talk)  22:25, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 *  Oppose Strong Oppose - He's shown reasonably bad behaviour from time to time, notably his tendency to feed the trolls by aggressively attacking them and at times his attitude towards some users can leave something to be desired. In fact, the other day I had to tell him not to PM a sarcastic message aimed to infuriate a certain troll and not to mock a reasonable request made by a channel operator. This is not how a channel operator should conduct themselves. Maybe I'll support next time around when the nominee has shown that he can remain level headed in these situations. 22:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * When a troll enters the channel, basically everyone starts feeding them until a channel op arrives. Hell, I've even seen channel ops doing it. As for the other cases, I'd like to see some IRC logs (just tell me the day, I have logs) as I really can't place these aforementioned situations. The PM thing was nothing but a joke, I'm not sure why anyone took that as serious. Look, I know you and I disagree a lot but I really can't accept all your claims as true unless you provide me something solid to go on. 1358  (Talk)  22:36, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is what I got from the other day and whether or not you may have been joking, it wasn't exactly an appropriate comment to make. Also I do remember back when the whole "feeding the trolls" thing was discussed and while you weren't the only contributor, you were a major one at that and I do remember how you did keep trying to weasel yourself out of it, even when most of the others involved did accept they were in the wrong (logs for that are on my old laptop and I can't get there at the moment). As for the PM thing...maybe it was the way you put it across that could have easily been taken seriously and while you may not have had bad intentions, a line has to be drawn somewhere. 22:43, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that comment comes even close to an "insult", especially considering I appended it with "huehue", commonly used as kind of a sarcastic laughter. As for the Minecraft thing, I think you're being plain unreasonable. At any given time, over half of the users in the channel play or have played Minecraft at some point, and I quite frankly find it shocking that just because you, as the minority, demand that the majority of the channel cease discussing about a topic they all share an interest in. 99% of all discussion in #wikia-sims is completely unrelated to TSW, so I can't possibly justify "stop talking about Minecraft". How is your note any less offending that mine? That's right, it's not. You're trying to enforce a nonexistant policy and then trying to use my opposition as an argument. That doesn't quite cut it. 1358  (Talk)  22:50, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not the only one who has told you to stop and regardless of the subject if a channel operator tells you not to do something, then you'd do it as basic IRC courtesy. Also, asking =! demanding. If anything you are being extremely oblivious to the flaws here and just for that I'm strengthening my opposition because you clearly can't accept when you're in the wrong and then trying to use that as an argument against my vote. That doesn't quite cut it. 23:03, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that channel ops in #wikia-sims can enforce arbitrary policies of what is considered an acceptable topic. Feel free to point out another channel op who has told me to stop talking about Minecraft or any other topic. Basic IRC courtesy doesn't, in my book, include suppressing discussions. Calling me oblivious to the facts (what facts?) has nothing to do with basic argumentation or rhetorics and is strongly a point of view. If you can't provide valid points in this conversation, at least refrain from calling me names. Just because you're community director doesn't make you automatically and absolutely right, and simply the fact that you are willing to go into these kinds of statements is definitely not something I'd view as ok. I've asked you to provide examples &mdash; if you can't provide them, then you are in the wrong. Reusing my final clause above is definitely a clear lack of respect towards your opponent. Maybe you'd like to review your point of view and come with some examples and better arguments before you divulge into straightforward insults. For the record, I'm not sure if I can point any IRC user with whom I've had major negative interactions. 1358  (Talk)  23:09, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * "Just because you're community director doesn't make you automatically and absolutely right"Where exactly did I say that it makes me right 100% of the time? I didn't. So before calling me out for being uncivil, maybe you should watch your tone. As such I don't see any reason to keep this childish "discussion" going on any longer because I've already made my points and you've failed to answer them instead only to instigate what seems like a flame war and this honestly isn't helping your request one bit. I sincerely hope that you'll learn to watch what you're saying and stop possessing an arrogant attitude towards things should this request somehow miraculously pass. 23:23, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying you're always right, because you aren't, I'm just saying that your point of view isn't somehow the only valid point of view&mdash;I don't think anyone can be objective enough to deem their opponent being in the wrong. As for the tone, if anything, we're on the same level, though I haven't called you oblivious or anything related. The only points you've made here are that I am feeding the trolls like other people and that I am wrong, wrong, wrong. If you can't stand your points being questioned, then maybe you shouldn't have joined the discussion to begin with. Not providing any sort of backing to your claims effectively renders them void. That's a basic thing in any argument. Instead of subtly implying that I am starting a flamewar here and that I should watch my words, maybe you should realize that maybe I'm not the only one at fault here. You're regularly making implications that things that I do are bad in some way (for instance ZNC host, Minecraft, you name it). Do you think that constitutes the positive spirit that makes a good IRC channel? You've managed to make yet another ad hominem by calling me arrogant &mdash; again, that's solely your opinion and as long as you can't back it up by anything else than your own interpretation, I'd suggest you refrain from doing it. 1358  (Talk)  23:32, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Seeing as this is going nowhere, I'm just going to say this. If I have contributed to making this discussion heated and/or if I did indeed make comments that may have offended you then I apologize. However my initial points for my opposition still stand. 23:53, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Support. Alright, I've read over what is written above, but it doesn't change my opinion of Xd and his ability to fairly op the channel. To me, the points above don't seem strongly substantiated, at least not enough to deny something that they're otherwise quite capable of. Aside from joking, I haven't seen him do anything which I view as being worthy of denying him this position outright. Certainly I can list things done or said by myself and other IRC ops/wiki admins that would be much worse than 'feeding the trolls'.


 * On the subject of that... it seems to me pretty unfair that the points above are even being brought up. I as a wiki admin am entitled to IRC op on the channel, even if I'm a terrible op and am rude to everyone on the channel, troll, etc. I can be a completely terrible person and, unless someone chooses to make a fuss on the wiki to get my adminship revoked, they'd have no power to eliminate me. But just because Xd isn't an admin, he's now held to a higher standard when he volunteers to take on a position. It's a double standard.


 * Ultimately though this comes down to a matter of confidence. Do I have the confidence that Xd knows how to operate a channel? Certainly the fact that he has operated others proves this - he could run circles around me any day of the week, as far as the technical aspects of running the channel are concerned. Do I believe that Xd will be fair to people using the channel? I believe that if given the flags, he will fairly adhere to and enforce whatever channel policies are put in place (the fact that we have very few written channel policies is another issue entirely). Do I believe that Xd will be civil and decent towards others? Again, nothing I've seen in his history leads me to believe that he would be any worse off than myself or the other ops on the channel, because in one or another way we've all done this sort of stuff.
 * --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 04:06, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - I have also read what's above, and I have chosen to support for reasons similar to LiR's. I have spent a lot of time with Ecks on IRC (and while playing Minecraft), and I see that he can be serious when it's time to be serious. In my opinion, he was a good op back when he had the flags and I also hang out in channels where he happens to have op flags and he knows what he is doing. Also, I believe that Lab's concerns about all the Minecraft talking are a bit exaggerated as in the summer of 2011 lots of people used to talk about Big Brother and those who didn't like it did nothing, so I guess that that argument is a bit unreasonable. 07:26, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - The way I see it, Ecks would make a great channel operator, and I know because he's been one before, as well as being an op in a bunch of other channels. Yeah, I get what concerns people have, but in my opinion at least operator status isn't a big deal and I don't think he'd abuse it.

''Note: Everything that was here previously can be found in the page history, I cut it down to save space. 08:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)''
 * Note: All page contents have been restored. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 09:00, March 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak support - Okay I've thought about this a little bit more on a personal level and I've come to the conclusion that maybe this wasn't worth a vehement oppose. My concerns with Xd feeding the trolls, occasional bad taste jokes and perceived inability to accept when he's in the wrong do still stand out to me as concerning issues. Now to drop the negativity and explain why I've changed to a support vote. Yes he's experienced, yes he knows what he's doing and no I don't think he'll maliciously abuse the rights. The fact that he's experienced and more likely than not knows how to deal with something does slightly overwhelm my concerns and I'm hoping that nothing will happen to change the scale unfavorably towards him. I, and I'm pretty sure you as well, didn't want to see all that unpleasantness back there and for that I apologize. Good luck! :) 08:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Per Lab. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me! ) 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak support - After some further consideration, and the belief he knows how to be serious when necessary. Changed to Support -- Ben (talk) 12:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Approved. 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

MrBenC
I'll admit I'm still something of a newbie to wikis in general, but I have extensive IRC experience, and I'm also familiar with the commands. I am Op in many other channels and aside from some trolls, I receive no complaints from an of my decisions.

I would also like to think I'm well regarded, that I'm familiar with the culture of the channel, and that I'm reasonably active on the channel, as evidenced by the statistics page that I run. Speaking of which, it would be nice that if necessary, I could take direct action against anyone who abuses the bots to flood the channel.

Ben (talk) 22:36, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 *  Neutral leaning towards support  - While I know you're active, there are times when you may not be the most responsive user around in order to deal with something that could require some operator input. That said you seem to know what you're doing and I can't think of any other major issues so I don't think it would be problematic if we gave you the rights. Changed to Support. 22:49, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Its obvious that you know what you're doing and are experienced with IRC and are pretty well known in the channel.
 * Support - The advantages (extensive IRC experience and knowledge of commands) of having Ben as an OP definitely outweigh the disadvantages (unresponsive at times). Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 01:26, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support, as what Auror said. --  LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 04:09, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Per WH and Auror. 07:14, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Per the above. —Random Ranaun (Talk to me! ) 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Approved. 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)