The Sims Wiki:Pages for deletion/Various Get to Work Sims

Nomination
I nominate these following pages for deletion:


 * Graham Sierota
 * Alan Wilkis
 * David Boyd
 * Jamie Sierota
 * Katy Tiz
 * Louis Vecchio
 * Noah Sierota
 * Sydney Sierota
 * Soren Hansen

I'm very sure that all of these Sims only appear in The Gallery and not in any promotional material for The Sims 4: Get to Work. - SimDestroyer (talk) 14:38, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I think you are right and therefore support deletion. When the page for Miss Hell was nominated for deletion I suggested that a way to establish relevance for articles about Gallery Sims would be to reference at least one piece of promotional material that features the Sim. (see Talk:Miss_Hell) Gvaudoin (talk) 15:15, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

I don't think your arguments are a good enough reason to warrant deletion. Are they playable in-game? Are they official Sims? If yes, that's good enough for inclusion on the wiki. Is there a specific reason as to why Sims that only appear in the gallery should not be given an article on the wiki? — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 16:18, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * Right, so as far as I can tell, all of these are artists whose songs were featured in the game or maybe one of the trailers. They were never actually seen in any way. The articles are also poor quality and don't provide much information besides character traits and appearance. Not even the names are constistent and there are no pictures. While MaxisCreator_01 uploads Sims that appeared in trailers and renders, they have also uploaded completely random stuff espectially in the beginning. Their latest upload is meant to showcase the Final Fantasy XV Outfit for example. Sims like these don't appear to have any relevance to the Sims universe and could simply be added to the List of Sims used in promotional materials but I don't even think they are relevant enough to be featured there since they never really appeared anywhere. I don't see any relevance at all to be honest. Gvaudoin (talk) 17:21, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * Wait, who is this "MaxisCreator_01" guy? Are they an official EA/Maxis account? If not, then the Sims listed here are little more than fanon Sims, and can be deleted (since MaxisCreator_01 doesn't seem to be on this wiki, unless Jackboog21 is MaxisCreator_01, which I highly doubt). — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 19:41, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * It's semi-official I think. The account is definitely controlled by SimGurus; see this tweet: https://twitter.com/SimGuruJM/status/930906630824140800 Some SimGurus have their own accounts too but not everything they upload does actually appear anywhere other than the gallery. Sometimes it's just random stuff they made. That's why I suggested there should be some relevance to the Sim universe to warrant an article. Gallery Sims like Babs L'Amour, Iggy Pancakes, or Jordan Mayer are featured heavily in trailers and on renders, have their own backstories and are connected to other Sims, and even appear on front cover art. But the ones that SimDestroyer nominated are just gallery uploads that were never used for anything. Gvaudoin (talk) 20:23, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * Undecided - I'm split whether to support or oppose deletion. I'd support deletion, since these Sims do seem to be very insignificant and until this discussion I haven't even seen or heard of them. On the other hand they still are officially created Sims that are provided as a download, very much like Sims such as Princess Zaghawa Maximus. While there weren't nearly as many downloadable Sims and families in the first few eras, I think they still fall into the same category. - KailynnKat  (talk  /fanon)  02:25, July 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * I would lean in favor of keep or else merge together. It seems that these are EA-created Sims who are meant to represent living people; this seems reminiscent of other Sims they've made in the past, like the real-life celebrity Sims from The Sims: Superstar, Drew Carey from The Sims: House Party, etc. The difference being that, while those Sims appear in the game, these are simply Gallery Sims. What makes them noteworthy, at least to me, is that they were created by an officially-controlled account. --  LostInRiverview talk · blog  ·  contribs 03:39, July 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd lean towards keep, though merge together is a decent idea for a compromise. The MaxisCreator_01 account is now officially identified as the official Maxis account, so I'd call any sim uploaded to it to be "official". Sims 4 doesn't have as many premade Sims as Sims 2 and 3 did, due to various aspects of what makes Sims 4 different from past games. "Official" gallery sims from what is now the official Maxis account are essentially the replacement for premade sims packaged with existing worlds, at least that is how I view them. I'd also lean towards considering any Sims uploaded to the official Guru accounts to be "official" in this way, though that is a seperate discussion. Obviously the articles would need to be updated with more information (and headshots!) to meet standards but I don't think articles on here should be deleted just for not being "there" yet. Like I said at the start I'm also not against merging these articles together to make a list of gallery sims that aren't used in promotional material but are on official accounts. If it helps I can add beefing up these articles to my to do list, I download every sims from the official account and from the guru accounts so I can easily access them, though it may be awhile before I can actually get around to it.  Madhackrviper (talk) 23:08, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

Closing
This has been sitting up for quite awhile with no clear resolution. What is clear is that there isn't a consensus to delete the pages outright. On those grounds, I'm closing down the deletion discussion, but leave open the possibility that these pages could be merged or otherwise combined in some way. I would encourage either BOLD action on the matter, or else another discussion in a different venue to determine the ultimate outcome. In any case, the pages are kept as-is for the time being. --  LostInRiverview talk · blog  ·  contribs 15:20, May 28, 2019 (UTC)