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''The Sims 3'' is a prequel to ''The Sims''. So, if the Altos pretty much run the town, why aren't they mentioned in any other game? Post your theories here.
== Theories ==
*There is the answer The Sims and The Sims 2 Designed from Will Wright so Alto family created at sims 3 Will Wright was not the Designer of Sims 3 this is the answer.
*I Couldn't take it any longer for 1. THERE IS NO VITA ALTO IN THE SIMS 2 ITS A RUMOR, thank you they probally just didn't win the town over i mean look at the point of it the Goth's and The Landgraabs are both very powerful and "old money" so they won the town over which means the alto's probally moved away to Bridgeport where they conquered that city not to mention that they seem to be not in the old town era where it seems that they didn't adapt the modern or "Art Nouveu" style but a old rustic bayou feeling and then when in the next 25 years when sims 2 rolled up the town is just adapting the "Modern style" because there is no one else to reign in the Goth since gunther is dead and the Landgraabs intergrated to Bluewater (which is also mysterious for a powerful family to leave) so in other cases they moved away to bridgeport or some other place that they took control of......but yeah every house in pleasantveiw (including maxis made on sims 2 site) do not have a urn saying "Vita Alto" but i do comend on them being dead since when the game started they where going into that age.....so there probally dead and holly is up there in her elders because she's older than mortimer and malcolm so stop saying they go out.....because there a bit young and shes the old hag so yeah......Simysims▼
*I see some there said that Goths and Landgraabs kick out from town Altos, but no Vita she is friend with Goths so no they kicked out I believe they die and Holly she married so she change her last name.
*Obviously it's just because EA wants to mess with us. But, when you really think about it, E.A never said that the Alto's completely died off by the time that the Sims 2 took place. Holly could have married into another family and changed her last name. Plus the others could have died or done the same. How do we know that Holly Alto isn't Holly Greenwood from Twinbrook? Or that she isn't Holly Andersen from the Sims 2? ~Kcroxr
*I think The Sims 3 Store team is purposely trying to mess with us by including the Altos in every other neighborhood they release. First, it was Bert Alto from Hidden Springs. Then, Trenton Alto and his family in Lunar Lakes. Now, with the release of Sunlit Tides, yet another Alto family member has been created? The good Griffin Alto lives on his own in a nice house in Sunlit Tides. I think they're (whoever created the numerous Altos) implying that the family split up and branched out over time due to difficulties in their dysfunctional family. There are the goods and the bads of the Altos and they couldn't settle their differences, so everyone gave up and ran away, including running away from Sunset Valley. [[User:Allie0717|Allie0717]] ([[User talk:Allie0717|talk]]) 15:39, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
*The Altos arrived with uptown ideals, the town chose sides. The Landgraabs and the Goths teamed up and kicked Nick and Vita out to Bridgeport, where Nick's succesful brother Ebenezer Alto lives. Bert Alto used to live/work there too (the accountant for Bridgeport celebrities, however he never really liked the job, so he moved to Hidden Springs. Holly was still in Sunset Valley, because she wasn't Evil. She was Good. She later died and the tombstone of her got destroyed.
▲*I Couldn't take it any longer for 1. THERE IS NO VITA ALTO IN THE SIMS 2 ITS A RUMOR, thank you they probally just didn't win the town over i mean look at the point of it the Goth's and The Landgraabs are both very powerful and "old money" so they won the town over which means the alto's
*In The Sims 2 there is an urn for Vita Alto. A commenter (scroll down) said they discovered that this Vita had a daughter, Holly, and Holly had a dad named Nicholas Alto who was still alive (thankyou, anonymous commenter!). What could have happened was that Vita died an early death, after Holly moved out, and Nick/Nicholas felt alone in the world, and depressed. So he quit his job, moved into a tiny house and developed a fascination with space and telescopes. One day, he was abducted by aliens, just like Bella Goth. He never died, but he never returned to SimNation, so he would still be considered living. And Holly just never married. Another theory is that after her parents died (natural or early deaths, doesn't matter), Holly was tired of being good and wanted to see her parents, even if they were evil. So she decided to become just like them, and married Malcolm Landgraab and became Mom. (Kinda like in New Moon when Bella goes insane so she does crazy stuff to see Edward's "apparition") for the record I don't really like twilight saga the movie...
*Sunset Valley is only in the Sims 3. The Alto's took over and the Goths, Bachelors, Langeraks and Landgraabs left, and also if Holly did get married her surname would not be Alto.
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*To the person above me, Holly Alto could not be Holly Greenwood as Ambitions takes place in the same time era, so that would mean Holly Greenwood, if she is Holly Alto, would have to be married to a Greenwood man in the future and come back in a time machine.
*It could be entirely possible that karma came back to haunt the Altos, and that instead of Holly being the Mom Landgraab from Bustin' Out, maybe she ended up being Mama Hick. Think about it. Somehow, Nick and Vita got caught trying to monopolize the neighborhood, and either had to face consequences, or went to prison (Nick does want to be a criminal, after all). They also could have been murdered, as they're clearly not very well liked. Regardless, their evil ways eventually caught up with them, and poor Holly had to pay for it, and by the time the Sims 1 rolls around, she's living in a trailer in Old Town, married a Mr. Hick at some point, and is now known as Mama Hick, possibly affectionately by other townspeople who pity/sympathize for her unfortunate life.
*The Landgrabbs moved away giving the ownership of Sunset Valley to the Alto's. Then, Nick and Vita died of old age. Holly inherited the town and
*Simple: Nick and Vita died in a fire and Holly got married to Malcolm Landgraab I. She preferred to be called "Mom" and had Dudley, Mimi and Malcolm II.
*This family's gotta' be the mob. They weren't very well liked so I say someone off'd them and disposed of the bodies, Vita was cremated and stuck in a basement for a house being built and Nick is probably downstream with his feet encased in cement. Holly skipped town and changed her name as a part of a witness protection program. The mansion was sold and demolished.
*They unofficialy own most of the businesses, and you can buy deeds. Meaning that they are going out of buisness so they must of dropped of the grid. [[User:Hatsworth101|Hatsworth101]] 19:07, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
*I think that, as Pleasantview is Sunset Valley, the Vita Alto in The Sims 3 and her grave in The Sims 2 are the same person. In The Sims 3, Vita Alto and her husband were much hated in the [[Sunset Valley|the town]], even though Vita had somehow gotten far up the political career ladder. I believe that eventually the town got sick of her so while Vita was swimming they built walls around the pool. Vita drowned and Nick, a
*Assuming that the urn in the secret
*Maybe aggresive people who the Altos overpowered and killed them. Holly could have changed her name
*I have the most logic explanation. I think Malcolm Landgraab from The Sims 3 is not a relative of Malcolm Landgraab I, I think he is Malcolm I from The Sims Bustin Out and The Sims on console. Therefore he married Holly Alto who is rather "Mom" or the unknown partner of Malcolm who fathered Malcolm II. I also think Nick and Vita died so the Alto legacy continued in the Landgraab's. Simple.
*I think, they were run out of town before the beginning of The Sims, for being too evil...
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*That's because they are newly created in The Sims 3, just like any other Sims. Does it really need explanation? --[[User:Bayoubash|Bayoubash]] 06:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
*I think that Holly Alto continued as "Mom" in The Sims console version. Considering that she was good unlike her parents. Nick and Vita probably died and Malcom married Holly to have Mimi and Dudely
*Off game explanation: they just weren't created before. In game explanation: They overcame the Landgraab family in the town control race, and as long as you're on the top when you're ambitious, you look for new challenges. Therefore, they found a new city to rule, and this wasn't any of the 6 sims 2 towns.
*Hmm...maybe it's that they won the Sunsetvalley over and became the new leaders and in-charge. Seeing as that the Landgraabs and Goths had intended for Sunset Valley to be traditional and peaceful, with the Altos winning with their uptown ideals, they saw no hope to continue their visions come true. Knowing this, people who sided (and there were probably a lot considering they were never seen in The Sims 1 & 2) with the
*Even though Bayoubash's theory is very, very likely, Holly might have also moved to another town to escape her parents; or could either be "Mom" or Ginia Kat. Yes, she might not even want to be an Alto. So she could have changed her name to Ginia Kat.
*Well, I think in the "real story", Gunther won and became the mayor. Maybe he and the
* I think that the parents died and Holly just kept dating cheaters finding out and never marrying because she had unrealistic expectations for a loved one but having lots of friends. And before the parents left town they left a bomb that made people forget all about Holly after she died and then the Alto parents moved on!
*I say since Vita's lifelong wish is to be The leader of the Free World and since Nick wanted to be the Emperor of Evil, The both got their wish, and since the Leader of the Free World and The Emperor of Evil are enemies, Nick and Vita became enemies and tore the family apart. Everyone moved far away, but nobody moved to the same place. And so the Alto's empire collapsed.
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*Nick and Vita died, and Holly either had no children or married and changed her last name. Simple!
*You are all asuming that there are only a limited number of towns in SimNation. Chances are they moved to a yet to be disclosed neighborhood of a future game. [[User:Thetford|Thetford]] 23:55, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
*I think the town drove Vita and Nick out of town but Holly had been able to stay as long as she changed her name. After she changed her name she tried to get wealthy but she was
*In my game Nick was having an affair with Cornelia Goth. The Goths were pretty popular amongst Sunsetvalley's residents and when the affair came out, they hated the
*With the whole " Vita Alto's Urn" thing. I have no clue what to believe with this story anymore and only cuz from what I have read all they write is " the urn is in Pleasantview in a secret basement under one of the pre made houses" what kind of info is that!? there is no name of the house. or who owns it. also it is also very likely that they have made up there own houses (or downloaded it from the sims 2 exchange) with an Urn and another Vita Alto with the same lifestyle that the original Vita Alto had. However if this story is true. and it was orginally a house in Pleasantview please write the house it
*I agree with most other therories here -
*Since Vita's lifelong wish is to be The leader of the Free World and since Nick wanted to be the Emperor of Evil, The both got their wish, and since the Leader of the Free World and The Emperor of Evil are enemies, Nick and Vita became enemies and tore the family apart.And so the Alto's empire collapsed.
*Nick and Vita were killed because of being hated they were buried and cemetery in the basement of a home being bulit where their home was.By this time
*The Alto family made their money through benefit fraud and tax evasion. When the polcie found out, they all went to prison. Presumably they were still in prison 25 years later. [[User:Gallifrey102|Gallifrey102]] 12:35, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
*i say Vita was arrested for some reason, and put on death row. Ashamed, Nick shot himself in his study. Holly went on to marry Malcolm Landgraab and became Mom.
*I think that it is quite simple. Hollys parents both soon died from unknown causes and Holly married and changed name and town!
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*I think after Holly grew into an adult, she didn't want to be a member of the Alto family anymore, thus she moved to another town and/or changed her name, whether she did it through the city hall or by marrying someone. Also, after Vita and Nick died, the Landgraab family ruled Sunsetvalley and because they hated the Altos they decided to treat the
*In my theory I think Holly is Mom Landgraab which would explain why we never heard of the Alto family in the sims, sims 2 etc. So in my game I am going to make Holly fall in in love with Malcolm and make them have three children: Malcom II (firstborn), Mimi and then Dudley. Of course the last two will take after the Alto family's evil traits and Malcolm will be good.
*Holly Alto did not want to follow in her parent's footsteps, and chose not to get involved in real estate in fear it would make her like her parents, and that's why no businesses relate to the Altos, and she also died accidentally and early. [[User:UBFunkaneer|UBFunkaneer]] 20:48, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
*Probably there is a moment in which the town reveals against the Altos, forcing them to leave the town (And probably go to another country, since they are not featured in anywhere else in SimNation). Also, since a sim is allowed to buy deeds, it probably means that the Altos went broke or something, which contributed to them leaving the town forever.
*Technically there are
*The Landgraabs must have chased them out of Sunsetvalley.
*The Altos got homesick and moved back to the city from which they came.
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*It's possible that the feud between the Altos and Landgraabs ended in the Altos killing the Landgraabs except Malcolm. And when Malcolm became older, he murdered Nick and Vita. Later it is possible that Holly and Malcolm married.
*I say the Alto family won the town's love with new ideas, then the the Goth's moved away and founded Pleasantview!
*Holly married Malcolm Landgrabb and had Dudley and Mimi, Vita and Nick died of Old Age. Holly leaves Malcolm after he
*Maybe when The Sims 4 comes out the
*They moved back to Bridgeport,and own Bridgeport.
*Everyone knows that Holly Alto is nice and cute but she's not! She murdered Vita and Nick Alto and if you notice the sailboat beside the lighthouse island she sailed on it and buried Vita and Nick on the island.
*Vita and Nick lost their house and were jailed for fraud, while Holly moved away. when they were finally released, they bought a house outside Sunset Valley/Old Town, afraid of what the locals would do to them if they knew about their "shady" activities. [[User:Norman Average|Norman Average]] 20:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
*Nick and Vita died of old age, Holly married Malcolm and she became Holly Landgraab. She then changed her name to 'Mom' to be safe.
*Nick and Vita are acutally aliens sent to reaserch simnation, they adopted Holly as a cover, and there is aliens pre Sims 2 becuase of Nestor Caliente.They later had to leave because their cover was blown and abandoned Holly, who later went back in time
*Alto family moved from Italy to
*Maybe Sunset Valley is in another reality to pleasantveiw/Old Town and the Alto family never existed in Universe B, but they do in Universe A, and
*It is possible that Holly Alto was Mom Landgraab, but if so she isn't the Mother of Dudley and Mimi, because she doesn't get married to Malcolm until the Sims 1 (console) and at the start she is the Mother of the Player, so Holly might have been Malcolm's first wife and had Dudley and Mimi and by the Sims she either died or divorced and then Malcolm married Mom (who is an entirely different person). But it still is possible she was Mom Landgraab, but unlikely.
*In my Game, Vita and Nick Alto, have a son named Preston Alto. Later on, Holly Alto finished high school and moves out, taking Preston with her. She moves to a small house down by the beach. Once
*You don't need a logical explanation, EA decided to introduce a new family in the Sims 3. That's all there is to it, you guys.
*Hey guys! '''This is Theories, not player stories''' of what you did with the Altos. You can post your Alto family stories on their [[Alto Family/Player stories|player stories]] page. Thanks! Simrose101, the hyper and addicted Sims 3 player :D 15:56, February 6, 2011 (UTC)Simrose101
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*The Goths kicked out the Landgraabs and Altos, the Landgraabs went to bluewater village and the Altos went to a yet undiscovered location & Holly's name changed when she married so any Holly in the sims series could be her.
*Obviously they ran this town, but by the time'' The Sims'' has started the Goth's have moved away to a new town, and by ''The Sims 2'', it had blossomed into Pleasantview, and some of the familes from The ''Sims 3'' had moved into town.
*In the DS version, or the Wii version, or a console version, there is a Holly Alto married to a Don Alto. What's probably happened is that Holly got married and changed her name to whatever, and the
*==I reckon that Holly murdered her parents, and then the police came looking for her hid them in the basement and then killed herself so she didn't get caught... that is why she wasn't in any other games. Or she could have just moved away.... they disappered on my game because i murdered Nick and Vita and holly got married to Michael
*A very simple reason. Ebenezer Alto founded Bridgeport and the entire family decided to live there. However the pirates weren't too happy the the
*Obiously the Mom Landgraab theory can be excluded, since, Holly is old enough, but in The Sims 3 Malcolm is only a child, and 25 years later on the original The Sims he already haves 2 adult children. To this happens, Malcolm should already be married to Mom, and she should be pregnant with twins at the begining of The Sims 3, and since Holly is Holly and Malcolm is a
*They could have moved back to Bridgeport, and never moved out after that. Now, I also think they could have moved to Hidden Springs to live with Bert after they lost all of their money for some reason, and then they never left there or moved to Bridgeport.
*27 years before [[The sims 2]] (2 years before [[The Sims]], the military were looking for them to punish them for their evil crimes. But they went into hiding and disguised themselves. The military then set bombs everywhere round the outside of their found area. But nobody knew about it and they were completly and utterly disentegrated them and since nobody knew about it that's how they weren't mentioned in the two sims games before. Oh, and the military never made a tombstone for any of them either. - [[User Talk:Iaincormack|Iaincormack]] Saturday 3 September 2011 21:50
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*<span style="font-weight: bold;">The Bridgeport Town Description defines that the town was founded in 2000 (The sims 2 era, in my opinion)</span> By an Alto. Since there are 50 years between TS3 and TS2, that would've been enough time for Nick and Vita to die, Holly to get married, have a child (Ebenezer) that child to grow up and found Bridgeport. The Slayer family bio insist that the city has been around for at least 100 years, which is plenty of time for the family history to be lost. (P.S, not unlike how Geoffrey changed his last name instead of Nancy, I bet Holly's husband changed his last name)
*Really EA just decided to add some new families to Sims 3 but I still like to imagine storylines in the game. I think Nick and Vita had been finally caught for fraud and evil and had been sent to prison before the start of The Sims and Holly already was ashamed of her parents already but this made her so mad that she changed her name and moved away, unknown to whether it is in SimNation or not (She could have been Ginia Kat). Nick and Vita were very old by the time they were set free and soon died of old age and they were just forgotten about. ([[User:Nyancat1997|Nyancat1997]] 07:20, April 14, 2012 (UTC))
*i made vita break up with nick. then nick became a sculptor. then i made vita move out on her own house then killed the altos cause there annoying.... WISHES AND ARGUING NON-STOP!
*^ Ahem, this is a ''theory'' page, not a ''player stories'' page. I think your "theory" would feel much more at home on the player stories page. To the first story on the page: Flip yeah, there's no Vita/Nick/Holly in TS2 ''anywhere'' unless you decide to create them! Honestly, I doubt EA/Maxis thought of the Altos before TS3. Or perhaps someone(cough cough [[Holly Alto|the angel child)]] found out that Vita killed somebody (possibly Lolita Goth?) or did some horrible crime and got put on death row, without probation and thus got killed, then Nick err...went back to the land of which he came (somewhere in SimNation that we haven't heard of just yet, maybe)... and Holly got married or changed her name or something, thus eliminating the Alto family name. She ''could have'' become Mama Hick, I agree with whoever wrote that on that one. As for the Holly Alto on DS, that it a completely different Holly- it's not possible to change skin colors, the Holly with auburn hair and light skin would likely also be dead by that time. FwenchFwies15
*Vita and Nick had another child then Vita died since she was very weak after giving birth, Holly was over-whelmed with grief so she ran away changed her name to Ginia Kat, Nick died of old age and the child went on to marry Malcom Landgrabb.
*I think Vita and Nick moved to Bridgeport but back to Sunset Valley (Pleasantview) it is unknown who changed the name of the town...but when come back Vita died but Nick stayed alive but died soon in TS2,it is unknown if Holly married or traveled somewhere.Simple. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:41.46.148.24|41.46.148.24]] ([[User talk:41.46.148.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/41.46.148.24|contribs]]) (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
*I think that the Altos were reasonably well off before, and then Vita and Nick made there fortune. They wanted a child to continue their riches, but Holly was a sweet goody-two shoes. They didn't like Holly much, and she sleeps downstairs continually.
*You can tell what happend. I think that Holly Greenwood was adopted by the Altos, they changed her name to Holly Alto.
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