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{{Resolved/mini|res| User images of canon Sims may be added to articles, so long as the images are of good quality and do not feature non-canon Sims. Specific images discussed in this thread are to be deleted. - 22:46, July 29, 2013 (UTC) }}
Two users on The Sims Wiki have engaged in an edit war regarding the addition of certain images to canon articles on the wiki. This thread is intended to settle the underlying issue in the disagreement between these two users. ''No "punishments" will be issued to either user for actions that have already taken place''; this discussion should be as open and non-hostile as possible.
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:::Hmm, to be honest I don't like Mate1234's pictures for reasons said above me. However, fan made canon images are apparently accepted. So in that case I would suggest this: tell [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] the guidelines he needs to follow to create and add fan canon images (e.g. set [[User:TheXmas|TheXmas]] ones as example). And Mate1234 (and others) simple needs to follow these. [[User:Tiezel|<b><span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="color:#9d2628">Tiezel</span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:Tiezel|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#804e26"><sup>(talk)</sup></span></span>]] [[Fanon:Curious family|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#804e26">curious?</span></span>]] 12:54, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::I will have to take a moderate position: Fanon images of canon sims shouldn't be prohibited from canon articles, although I shall take a bit of RR's argument that quality should matter. I don't know what quality Mate's image was, but I generally will favor most of the non-canon images, although I may find the photoshop elements a bit doubtful. [[User:Mathetesalexandrou|<span style="color:#00CC33">MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, </span><span style="color:#00AADD">FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, </span><span style="color:#88AAAA">SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES </span>]] ([[user talk:Mathetesalexandrou]]) 18:13, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::[[User:Mathetesalexandrou|<span style="color:#00CC33">MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, </span><span style="color:#00AADD">FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, </span><span style="color:#88AAAA">SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES</span>]] is right. They shouldn't be prohibited. And <u>SOME</u> of those images are very bad because they're first I made. I'd like to create images of better quality, at least those of deceased Sims. [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 18:47, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::Fanon images may not have to be prohibited, but that doesn't mean they're really needed. As I said before, for the Sims in the images Mate uploaded, we already have headshots, storytelling photos, and other canon images that already show their in-game appearances. We should always use canon images over non-canon when given the chance, in my opinion. Also, Mate, you keep defending the images, but you're not backing up your arguments with any real facts. ''Why'' do you think your images are necessary? —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 19:41, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::Because I´m trying to improve the articles the best I can. [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 19:47, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Why do you think your images are essential to improving the articles when we already have canon images that can serve the same purpose? —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 19:55, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::::And TheXmas posted images with same purpose as I did, but you didn´t delete them. They survived for 4 years, never removed, nobody never said that they should be deleted! [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 20:01, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::::You didn't answer my question. —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 20:10, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::::Because all users are supposed to improve the articles the best they can. Now you answer mine: How did TheXmas´ images survived for 4 years? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 20:13, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same argument you've given throughout this whole thread with no facts to back it up. I'll ask you again, why do you think your images are essential to improving the articles when we already have canon images that can serve the same purpose? —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 20:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::More images will give the better look to the article. Nobody likes only text with no images, including me and, probably you. Now can you answer my question, please: How did TheXmas´ images survived for 4 years? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 20:25, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Can you answer the question, please? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 20:49, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::::::TheXmas' images weren't deleted because they were very high in quality, though quite a few of them ''were'' removed from canon articles, it seems. I'd also forgotten about TheXmas' images until Auror mentioned them, I'd be completely willing to remove them as well. And why do the images added articles to give them a better look have to be ones you've created and uploaded yourself? We already have several canon images that could be used instead, as I've mentioned before. It all seems very unnecessary. —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 21:18, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I have never said that only my images can improve the articles. Anyone can upload image to improve it. And images that i have uploaded weren´t in high quality because they are my first ones. I will make high quality images, but please stop doing this to me. [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 21:29, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
It appears as if this thread has diverged, and so we now have two questions which need answering. One, should any image about a Sim be fair-game to be added to a canon article or should there be restrictions on which pictures are allowed and which aren't, and if so, what should those restrictions be?
The second question deals primarily with whether the images added by Mate1234 should be kept or deleted. Some users have found Mate's images worthy of being kept, some users have stated that they shouldn't be kept (either due to low quality or a general hesitation towards non-canon images), and some users are unsure or did not state their positions above.
Since we're ultimately looking for a solution to both these questions, the rational approach would appear to be settling the first question first, in deciding under what circumstances non-canon images should be included, if any. After we decide that, we can apply those criteria to answer the second question. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 21:48, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, you should to allow users to upload images of canon Sims, but only if the images show canon Sim/s, with no fanon Sim/s in the background. [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 17:39, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
The only reason I can see why non-canon images are restricted is because of family photo albums in ''The Sims 2''. Most premade families in ''The Sims 2'' have their own photo albums, and those are what's been used in the family pages in this wiki. Inserting non-canon images to the photo album makes it inconsistent with the rest of ''The Sims 2'' families. However, this incident '''only''' occurs to ''The Sims 2'', and even, only to the families. This is no longer necessary, I suppose.
I'm supporting non-canon images, but maybe limiting it to ''The Sims 2'' families. Meaning that we can add it to Sim articles, for example, or non-''The Sims 2'' family articles, as long as it doesn't violate the file and image policy and the Sims are not fully given makeover. I don't see why we can't add Sims images.
I opposed Mate's original Sim appearance images, but it's just personal matter. I don't really like them compared to Xmas' images, no offense. However, Mate can surely take a picture of them normally. There's no need to follow Xmas' style completely. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 08:23, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
I actually agree that some images I made aren´t made well, but they are first I made. I´ll try to make them better. [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 08:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
It´s unnecessary to start edit war because of few images (which are ''fanon images of canon Sims''). I´ll try to make better images if the others agree. Is [[:File:Original appearance of Bella Goth.jpg|this image]] (example only) good enough? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 14:34, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Then? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 07:37, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Can you answer me please? [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 14:49, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
==Resolution==
It appears that we've reached a conclusion to this thread. The general guideline agreed to here is that images can be added to article galleries so long as the images are of good quality and don't show fanon Sims. Regarding Mate1234's images specifically, they are not of good quality under the above agreement, so they will be removed from the articles (if they are still present).
As it was stated above, there will be no outcome to the edit war that took place, so long as it is not repeated. This matter is resolved. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 22:46, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
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