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:::I haven't had time to put much thought to this thread. For the first bullet point though, I definitely disagree with automatically promoting rollbackers to content moderators. It's, again, a big jump, and someone I trust with the rollback tool may not be someone I'd trust with the ability to delete a page. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:33, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
::::The idea of automatic promotion to CM is meant to minimize the occurrence of otherwise-qualified individuals being forced to jump through a second set of hoops. In theory, any current rollbackers could presently request administratorship. If we implement a rule requiring admin candidates to hold CM rights, and then don't grant current rollbackers CM rights, or at least a streamlined process to receive those rights, then we're moving the goalposts backwards and making it more challenging to ultimately get at admin rights, if that is indeed what these rollbackers intend to do. At the same time, I do understand the hesitation to grant user rights automatically, especially since many of our rollbackers have been inactive for quite some time. Therefore, I think it would be best to reach some sort of compromise, either where we grant current active rollbackers the right to apply for RfA without holding CM rights beforehand, or else streamline the process for current rollbackers to apply for CM rights without having to go through a full drawn-out discussion. Additionally, I see a benefit in making the process streamlined for current rollbackers; making the promotions process easy for them might encourage them to request those rights, whereas they might've been hesitant to make the leap up to administratorship.
::::I should add, I don't think that anyone who is not responsible enough to know when to delete or not delete a page would have ever been given rollback rights in the first place. Rollback and delete tools both have a potential for abuse, which is why rights requests safeguards are put in place at all, but if a user is shown to be capable handing rollback, I don't see why a few additional tools increase the risk of abuse. If I ever had any doubt about a user's capabilities to handle a few basic tools, I certainly would've spoken out in opposition to awarding even rollback permissions. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:07, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
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