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OMG, forgot to sign, my bad.... <font face="Albertus">[[User:NikolaSims|<span style="text-shadow:black 0 2px 2px;">Nikola</span>]] ([[User talk:NikolaSims|Let's talk]])</font> 14:11, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I see a lot of mentions of a new namespace... my concern is what I'll call 'creep' - where we create a namespace, for instance ''Real-world'' (so ''Real-world:Name of article'') and say that real-world content gets added to that namespace. So this would catch pages about YouTubers and other well-known simmers, Sims series websites, and popular modifications. But you could argue that an article like [[The Sims 2]] (or about any game or EP) is itself about a real-world thing, and should be placed in this new namespace as well. The point I'm trying to make is, this stuff is all relevant to The Sims Wiki, so it should be within the main namespace. I'd support the categorization and review of real-world articles, but I don't see a whole lot of positive coming out of a new namespace.
 
:On the subject of review... I think it's important we specify what kind of reviewing we're doing. For starters, would it be reviewed by admins-only, or could any user assist in reviewing? Would it take more than one user/admin to review something? Would it be a ''passive'' review process or an ''active'' review process?
 
:A passive review would allow a user to create an article about real-world content and the article would remain unless it was flagged, in which case it would be reviewed (under whatever process is established based on the other questions above). Under active review, each new article would need to be checked by the pre-determined person(s) immediately after the article is created, or perhaps before the article is allowed to be added in whole.
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1. Articles about real-world content must be properly categorized, and must feature a template at the top of the article mentioning that it concerns real-world material (this is to clearly separate it from canon).
 
2. There is no limitation on creating real-world content articles'', as long as they are related to ''The Sims'' series of games. <s>However, a</s>Any user may question whether an article which has been created is notable enough to remain. If a user believes an article is not notable, they should tag it with the {{t|Notability}} template and begin discussing notability in the Community Discussions forum.''
 
3. If a notability discussion occurs, a consensus will be necessary to determine that an article is not notable. An article with questionable notability should not be deleted until it is established that the article is not notable. It is the discretion of the community to decide whether an article is or is not notable, basing this decision on any given guidelines or established precedent on previous issues of notability.
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===Results===
Well... some compromise might be necessary here in order to reach a point we all can agree with. There is a wide variation in answers and explanations, but generally it looks like it boils down like this:
 
{{VoteAgainst}} '''Custom Content''' - 4 vs 5
{{VoteForVoteAgainst}} '''GameCustom ModificationsContent''' - 64 vs 2 (1 neutral)5{{clr}}
 
{{VoteFor}} '''Fan Websites''' - 7 vs 0 (2 neutral)
{{NeutralVoteFor}} '''ContentGame and Mod CreatorsModifications''' - 36 vs 32 (31 neutral){{clr}}
 
{{VoteAgainst}} '''Fan Media Creators''' - 1 vs 7 (1 neutral)
{{VoteFor}} '''Fan Websites''' - 7 vs 0 (2 neutral){{clr}}
 
{{VoteAgainstNeutral}} '''FanContent Mediaand Mod Creators''' - 13 vs 73 (13 neutral){{clr}}
 
{{VoteAgainst}} '''CustomFan ContentMedia Creators''' - 41 vs 57 (1 neutral){{clr}}
 
So, generally speaking it is agreed that we want to cover Game Modifications and Fan Websites (as long as they are notable). We're split right down the middle on Content and Mod Creators, so we'll have to settle that matter. And it looks like Custom Content and Fan Media Creators are out.
 
Is everyone more-or-less comfortable with the list above? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 23:51, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
:I find it very well fine. We might as well assume that staying quiet means we won't object the result? Unless someone states otherwise. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:12, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
::The only compromise I can see with Content and Mod Creators is essentially what the opposition stated in their reasoning: only do it for the notable ones. One of the supports gave no reasoning whatsoever so that really does help a lot here. Other than that I'm cool with the list above. {{LabSig}} 12:26, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
==Proposed policy==
I've [[The Sims Wiki:Notability Policy (Proposed)|drafted a proposed policy]], trying to sum up what has been discussed as best as I can. Please give it a read over and discuss at will. To start off, notice the categories of articles I've listed... this is based on the vote we took above, though in the case of the neutral decision we reached on Content and Mod creators, I chose to err on the side of allowing rather than disallowing that content.
 
I'm looking for any way to refine this proposal, and I'd really like a full examination of the draft and its strengths and weaknesses before we consider putting it into force.
 
Also, I'm not crazy about the title. So, yeah. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 01:16, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
:Overall the proposal is adequate enough to be legitimate. I find it difficult to find anything wrong with the proposal. Kudos to you, Liron. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 01:40, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
::We haven't pretty much changed our mind, I suppose. But I can't tell if there's loophole in the proposed policy yet. Either way, it's a good policy to handle this kind of issue. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 03:07, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
:::Looks cool as it is. {{LabSig}} 20:36, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
::::I think it's good. ~ [[User:Waikikamukow|<font color="6a2286">Waikikamukow</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Waikikamukow|<font color="00b0f4">Anyone wanna chat?</font>]])</small> 06:13, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Sounds good to me, can't see any huge problems with it. {{WHsig|23:23, March 16, 2013 (UTC)}}
 
:::::     I agree with it.[[User:Hurshbr|Hurshbr]] ([[User talk:Hurshbr|talk]]) 19:15, March 17, 2013 (UTC)Hurshbr
 
'''Closed''' - With unanimous support of the aforementioned draft, this thread passes as successful and the policy shall be implemented. {{LabSig}} 13:01, March 24, 2013 (UTC)