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Recently, a user has created several fanon pages for Sims/families that the page creator themself did not create. To my knowledge, The Sims Wiki has no rule against this, and I cannot recall a specific time that we've discussed this issue in the past, though I feel as though it has been discussed before. In any case, a couple users on the wiki have, on Discord, raised the question of whether fanon authors ought to be able to create fanon pages about characters they did not create (except for Maxis-created Sims/families that the player chooses to play with). Since this is an open-ended question, and the decision could ultimately affect some fanon pages currently in existence, I felt it was worth discussing.
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That being said, I don't want to be a killjoy and put an end to the free reuse of other works. Since we do have fanon pages of premade Sims and neighborhoods/worlds, it would be nice if we had some sort of a method of accomplishing this. I would say that such fanon are permitted ''if'' they include at least some degree of original content. Just as people have made fanon from canon, it is possible for them to make fanon out of fanon; it should be permissible to create a fanon page ''based'' on another fanon Sim, but it needs to have ''some'' original content (e.g. Batman (canon; superhero) --> Fatman (fanon; superhero wannabe but wastes too much time eating) --> Fatty McFatman (fanon of fanon; superhero wannabe that eats himself broke at McDonalds and then ironically needs to get a job there to make ends meet)). I'm not 100% sure of the best way to accomplish this (perhaps a templated message will work?), or what we should do if for some reason the original fanon author wants all of these recreations taken down. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 20:42, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
:I would probably agree. Probably say that the user should '''CREDIT''' the original maker of the content at most.. <span style="color:navy;">IsaiahScribblenauts</span> - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts Disscuss] - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts My Fanon] 20:42, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
::I'm a bit confused about this is talking about. Is there an example fanon page that illustrates this issue? [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 22:30, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
:::@ [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] - [[Fanon:Macey Brooke (Missmayxx)|Here]]. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 23:50, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
::::I '''concur with k6ka's opinion'''. The fanon namespace is a place where users and players ''can use their creativity'' to tell stories and worldbuild in a way that's not possible elsewhere on the wiki. Users creating pages about other people's work seem to be treating the fanon namespace like a variant of the canon namespace, which I think defeats the purpose of the fanon section. Therefore, I agree that, if anything, fanon articles based on others' work should have an original spin put on it, unless the original creator specifically prohibits such derivatives. — '''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">THE TIM TAM</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">IS MY</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">SPIRIT ANIMAL</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • [[w:c:mapgame:User:WikiBuilder1147|MGW]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 01:27, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
:::::Personally I feel that fanons about Sims created by other users should only be created if there's evidence that the original creator of the Sim has given permission for the adaption of their original creation. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 05:12, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
::::::I would agree with K6ka opinion as a fanon page should be a area of creativity and not an area where people can just take other peoples work, unless they have permission. Reusing fanon while great also, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of being creative a feature that should be a part of fanon, rather than something that isn't. [[User:Daryurian18|Daryurian18]] ([[User talk:Daryurian18|talk]]) 10:14, April 29, 2018 (UTC)
:::::::As long as the original creator allows and gets credited properly, I'm fine with it. However as stated by K6ka, this is definitely against the use of the {{tl|Property}} template itself. Perhaps some changes can be made to supplement that idea? --[[User:Frostwalker|'''<font face="Verdana"><span style="color:RoyalBlue; text-shadow:SlateBlue 0 4px 4px;">Frostwalker</span></font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Frostwalker|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:DarkOrange; text-shadow:Orange 0 4px 4px;">Talk</span></font>]] - [[User blog:Frostwalker|<font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:Crimson; text-shadow:Red 0 4px 4px;">Read</span></font>]]</sup> 02:50, May 1, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, from what I read, I now '''support this change''' because of the way Fanon is supposed to be treated as the user's own content. I feel that the fanon namespace is supposed to be for the player's created content. [[File:Isaiahhsnobg.png|20px]][[User:IsaiahScribblenauts|<span style="color:navy;">IsaiahScribblenauts</span>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|10px]][http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts Disscuss] - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Fanon_created_and_owned_by_IsaiahScribblenauts My Fanon] 17:35, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
==Conclusion==
Seeing a consensus here in favor of adopting the rule, I have added the following text to [[The Sims Wiki:Policy/Creation Policies#Fanon Policy]]:
:'''''5. Fanon for 3rd party creations is prohibited:''' Users may create fanon pages only for their own creations, or their interpretations of Maxis/EA-made creations. Fanon authors may not write fanon pages about Sims, families, neighborhoods, or features created by other players.''
Archiving thread -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:52, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
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