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{{Resolved/mini|res| Sims with ambiguous genders/ages will have this noted in the Sim infobox and the article text, and will be categorized accordingly. In-article text should be based on the "apparent" gender and age of the Sim.}}
Recently, I have seen a lot of reverted edits (not quite an edit war) due to different opinions of the sex of some Sims. For example, the Sims [[Lucy Mole]] and [[Hannah Keebles]]. These Sims are glitched and were created early in TS2's production (or perhaps due to being created early in production). They have the appearance of females, but their sex is classified as male and they have the voice of a male.
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::One additional thing I've noticed which probably warrants some discussion is the use of gender pronouns (he/she, his/hers, him/her, etc) in the body of the article. The gender used in the text seems to match the gender that the Sim appears to be- do we want to keep this, or should we switch the pronouns to be gender neutral? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 14:15, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
:::I think that we should leave he/she in body of the article. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mate1234|contribs]]) 14:45, August 31, 2013 (UTC) - Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></small>
::::Did you mean [[life stage]]? Personally, in that sense, I prefer if we use the pronoun of what Sim appears to be. Using he/she, him/her, and his/her all the time sounds confusing to me. So, Sims like Melissa Sims should use female pronouns. I know this sounds subjective unlike our decision for the infobox parameters, but that's my opinion. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 16:03, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I meant 'life stage', my bad. And I agree on the use of the pronoun that the Sim appears to be, since it's most likely to be the originally-intended gender. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 16:16, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
::::::On a second thought, I'll strengthen my statement. I opt to use the pronoun of what Sim appears to be. We should caller her "she" if the Sim appears female even though the gender in-game is male, and vice versa.
::::::When a Sim has an ambiguous gender, it might be as a result of computer error, developer error, or glitch (changing the gender flag with an external program). It is the computer or the game itself that confuses the Sim's gender. A Sim appears as a female, but she behaves like a male -- that's because the game cannot recognize her actual gender, which is an error.
::::::However, we are not computer. We know if the Sim appears as female, but the gender flag is set as male, she is still a female. Just because someone changed the flag, doesn't mean we can instantly call her "him", or even confuse her as "he/she". Take an example of [[James Mole]] and [[Lucy Mole]]. James is normal, but Lucy is treated as a male. Normally, we'll think that a parent of a Sim is a father and a mother, not two fathers, unless the game or storyline states otherwise, so we should call Lucy "her", not "him". She obviously was meant to be a female, but somehow the gender was wrong. We know this and we can recognize this. There's no way the developer meant to create a male, but ended up making a female figure, right? [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 04:53, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
'''Closing the thread''', as this seems well-resolved. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 22:05, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
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