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{{Forumheader|Community discussions}}This is an issue that has been addressed many times by different people on various talk pages but it's never been resolved so I'm making this thread in the hopes that some sort of consensus can be found. I know Maxis/EA have never been very consistent when it comes to maintaining an official canon or a timeline but that doesn't mean this Wiki can't have consistent guidelines.
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This is an issue that has been addressed many times by different people on various talk pages but it's never been resolved so I'm making this thread in the hopes that some sort of consensus can be found. I know Maxis/EA have never been very consistent when it comes to maintaining an official canon or a timeline but that doesn't mean this Wiki can't have consistent guidelines.
 
1. A lot of Sims from previous games have reappeared in ''The Sims 4'' and for most of them the new information was added to the existing pages. This is true for the [[Goth]]s, the [[Landgraab]]s, the [[Caliente]]s, and [[Don Lothario]], as well as the [[Newbie family]], the [[Pleasant]]s, and the [[Grunt]]s. However, there are three noteable exceptions: [[Dustin Broke]], [[Dirk Dreamer]], and [[Holly Alto]] have seperate pages for ''The Sims 4''. Shouldn't they be merged with the original pages? Especially since the articles are all very short and it would be consistent with the approach that has been taken with all the other returning Sims.
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:* Move [[Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 3)]] (this page) to [[Malcolm Landgraab]] (currently a DAB page, which we can move to [[Malcolm Landgraab (disambiguation)]]
:* Merge [[Malcolm Landgraab (console)]] to [[Malcolm Landgraab]]
However, [[User:Auror Andrachome]] thought the pages should be kept seperate in which case I would suggest moving [[Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 3)]] (the page that contains the information for ''The Sims 3'' and ''The Sims 4'') to [[Malcolm Landgraab]] and move the DAB page to [[Malcolm Landgraab (disambiguation)]].
 
3. There appear to be two alternate versions of the [[Newbie family]]. In one version, [[Bob Newbie]] is a white man with male-pattern hair loss and a full beard while in ''The Sims 2'' console games, he is a black man with short dreadlocks, a soul patch, and glasses. [[Betty Newbie]] is a very casual and sporty in one version but she wears lots of make-up and jewelry in the other. The sidebar is also much longer than the article for both Bob and Betty. Maybe these articles should be seperated in [[Bob Newbie]] and [[Bob Newbie (The Sims 2 console)]] and the same for Betty.
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::I agree as well that some sort of ordering system would be very helpful. The ''The Sims 3'' on [[Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 3)|Malcolm]]'s page has been annoying me for a bit as well. I could see how a (Main universe) and (Alternative universe) could work, since I think that seperate pages for TS1, TS2, TS3, TS4, and even console pages would be unnecessary, especially since there are obvious connections between (mostly) TS1-TS3 and even console games. Then again I think that the ''The Sims 4'' info on Simpages like those of Bella Goth (and even Malcolm Landgraab) are not contrary to their main universe counterparts (Because in a matter of fact they're still the 'same' person). It would be different for the very obvious different [[Holly Alto (The Sims 4: Get Famous)|Holly Alto]] or the black [[Bob Newbie]]. So we could also base it on that Sims are quite obviously just not the same person, because of a very different appearance, very different personality or because they're stated (or not confirmed) to be the same person. [[User:DeSims|<b><span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color:#00ac35"><span style="font-size:23px">D</span>e</span><span style="font-size:19px"><span style="color:#0075ac"><span style="font-size:23px">S</span><span style="font-size:19px">ims</span></span></span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:DeSims|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#0075ac"><sup><small>(talk)</small></sup></span></span>]] 02:27, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I agree with [[User:LostInRiverview]] that there are many different solutions to the problem and from my point of view there are pros and cons for all of them. But it's very hard for me and probably most casual editors to know wich ones can be implemented. One thing that has always bugged me for example is that a Sim like [[Goopy GilsCarbo]], who is clearly meant to be the same character in every game he appears, has a different starsign in every game and has three different categories associated with him because of it. I'd love to be able to filter categories by game but I'm not sure if that's even something that could be done. Therefore, I feel like administrators would need to be the ones who come up with workable solutions and if there are multiple options see which one has the most support from the community.
 
:::How do you handle these things on the Dutch Wiki, [[User:DeSims]]? I never really saw the point of calling The Sims 4 an alternate universe since the original universe has too many inconsistencies already. Sims wer never exactly the same, just similar enough. I don't even think that TS4 Holly Alto is as different from TS3 Holly Alto as it's implied on the Wiki. With the Newbies it feels like an actual alternative universe though... —<span style="font-family:'Georgia'; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Gvaudoin|<font color="black">Gvaudoin</font>]]</span> [[User talk:Gvaudoin|💬]] 16:32, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Unfortunately we don't have a great system either yet on the Dutch Sims Wiki. The only example that is kind of different that comes in mind now is [[Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 3)]] simply called [[w:c:nl.sims:Malcolm Landgraaf|Malcolm Landgraab]], since he's obviously supposed to be one and the same Malcolms here (even though the TS4 Malcolm is an 'alternative universe Malcolm'). On the other hand we do have the [[Michael Bachelor (hidden)]]. [[Nervous Subject (hidden)]], etc. pages. It's kind of a case by case scenario I gues... [[User:DeSims|<b><span style="font-family:Calibri"><span style="color:#00ac35"><span style="font-size:23px">D</span>e</span><span style="font-size:19px"><span style="color:#0075ac"><span style="font-size:23px">S</span><span style="font-size:19px">ims</span></span></span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:DeSims|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#0075ac"><sup><small>(talk)</small></sup></span></span>]] 02:08, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Your approach seems very reasonable to me. Having seperate pages for these hidden characters makes perfect sense in my opinion as does having one page for all versions of Malcolm. I feel like it would be harder to add interwikis if these pages were seperated on the English Wiki. For example, if there were a Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 3) page and a Malcolm Landgraab (The Sims 4) page on the English Wiki both of them could link to Malcolm Landgraab on the Dutch Wiki but you could only link back to one of the articles, right? I feel like I'm in favour of merging articles in most cases unless there are good reasons for seperation. It seems like the easiest solution to me but the most important thing would still be a consistant approach. —<span style="font-family:'Georgia'; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Gvaudoin|<font color="black">Gvaudoin</font>]]</span> [[User talk:Gvaudoin|💬]] 21:21, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
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