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'''This is my Original post found [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:JaseyJasee/Why_are_characters_from_The_Sims_Universe_and_The_Sims_4_Universe_still_together%3F HERE]'''
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So what do you think we should do? Should we separate the pages? I mean, it would make more sense as the characters from The Sims 4 are '''completely''' different characters than the ones in the original timeline.
'''Here are the final Poll Results. However, this does not mean that a final decision has been made as the poll results are for guidance from the Community only. The Poll ended on June 30, 2015 (BST).'''
[[File:TS4PollResults.png|700px]]
-- '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 00:33, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
==Discussion==
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:::::::::::::Also, I'm fully aware that Mortimer was a test subject (Lv. 1) in ''The Sims 1''. But his memories, '''canon information''' from ''The Sims 2'' state that he was Lv. 8 in the science career at the time. Also, I did say those are '''some''' inconsistencies, not all of them. However, if you did read Bella Goth's article, we only know it isn't true because... it is '''inconsistent''' with information we already have, ie., the relationship between Bella and Mortimer in TS1 '''AND''' TS4.
:::::::::::::Even then, maybe canon is that their love knew lots of ups and downs all that time, so that the love we know they have was only at that brief moment? ''I know'' that's only speculation, but simmers are so good at speculation, that they can take a simple game mechanic, and use it to contradict '''canon information''' to reducto ad absurdum. Which is, perhaps, the only reason why [[Bella Goth (Strangetown)|Strangetown Bella]] gets her own article.[[User:M2Panthera|M2Panthera]] ([[User talk:M2Panthera|talk]]) 17:31, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: EDIT: I'm not going to talk about family ties, because we only know about them due to family trees and relationships. TS1 had neither of them, so until ''The Sims 2'' came out, no one knew, for example, that Bella and Michael were at all siblings. Do you want to know what this simple piece of info did to the community!?[[User:M2Panthera|M2Panthera]] ([[User talk:M2Panthera|talk]]) 17:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The question marks meant that I didn't have an answer for it. Not that I'm not aware of the inconsistency -_-.
:::::::::::::::An inconsistency is just information that doesn't match up with previously stated information - I know you know that - but like I previously stated every single Video Game series in the world has inconsistencies no matter what. This whole thing is about the fact that The Sims 4 is a '''separate universe''' and should be separated from the original articles for that reason. This is '''not''' about inconsistencies in the series. So let's stop discussing them and if you want to continue make a new thread about them. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 17:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I was aware of the devs' statement and if you've read my original comment, you'd see that I stated those inconsistencies only because they were the main reason the devs made that statement (which I can't seem to find its source at the moment) in the first place. Bella's three articles are a reminder that canon information is sometimes regarded pretty much to have less value than community theories.[[User:M2Panthera|M2Panthera]] ([[User talk:M2Panthera|talk]]) 17:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: EDIT: [http://simsvip.com/2014/06/09/the-sims-4-twins-triplets-baby-legs-more-roundup/#more-37264 Found it!] SimGuruSarah changed her words on Twitter, but SimVIP preserved her original phrasing. Quote: "The timeline got pretty crowded with TS1, TS2, and TS3, trying to fit another game into the timeline would be tough." [[User:M2Panthera|M2Panthera]] ([[User talk:M2Panthera|talk]]) 18:21, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::What's that supposed to showcase? The Sims 4 is still a different universe.. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 18:22, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
{{od|::::::::::::::::::}}Regardless of the reasons why TS4 is in a separate timeline, the fact remains that it is. Right now the differences don't really manifest themselves too badly, but if more Sims from past games are brought back, the differences between timelines could be even more pronounced. But, it would not be reasonable to say that splitting the pages is the only way to handle those sorts of discrepancies. We might just as easily be able to accommodate both timelines in the same page. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 21:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:Don't you think it would be better - if we do separate the pages - to do it now. It would be much easier - less work - to start the process now rather than wait for more and more sims to be added as that would be a lot of work all at once rather than a nice slow process. I understand splitting the pages isn't the only way, I'm not suggesting that it is, it's just my suggestion that they should be. I see why you would suggest keeping the articles on the same page and just separating the information that way. However, the Tomb Raider Wikia originally did this and it looked very messy and the article was a hell of a lot to read. If more information/games/sims appear in the sims 4 from the original series this will lead to a big long messy page that doesn't look attractive.. That's why the Tomb Raider Wikia split their pages, and now it looks much better. That's why I suggest we do it here, slowly. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 21:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
::@K6ka, I thought that tabbers couldn't be viewed within the mobile skin, so I am a little confused how hiding text for the desktop user will solve the issue with tabbers for mobile users. Shouldn't the hiding be the other way around? If so, I guess using <code>class=hidden</code> would effectively hide things for the mobile users (like tabbers), but visible for desktop users. -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 23:22, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]]: No, the text isn't visible for desktop users, but it is for mobile users. For example, view the following in the mobile skin (you can do this by adding <code>?useskin=wikiamobile</code> to the end of the page URL, or just view it on a mobile device):
<div style="margin:1em; padding:5px; border:3px #666 double;">
:::<span style="display:none;">You can't see this in desktop, but you can see this in the editing window and in the mobile skin</span>
</div>
:--I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 23:33, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
::I understand that it is to make it so that the text is visible for mobile users, but I am just not seeing how that will work with the tabbers. -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 04:13, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
:::Since tabbers do not appear at all in the mobile skin, this text will help mobile viewers by replacing the tabbers and serving as a heading in order to divide the content. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 05:16, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok. That makes sense. (I don't know why I couldn't see something so simple before. *blushing*) -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 13:39, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I don't think that the information about the Sims as they appear in the Sims 4 should be separated from the information about the Sims as they appear in earlier games, because they ''are'' still basically the same Sims. It's necessary to keep separate articles for examples such as [[Bella Goth]] and [[Bella Goth (Strangetown)|Bella Goth]] (Strangetown), and [[Skip Broke]] and [[Skip Broke (hidden)|Skip Broke]] (hidden), and [[Nighat Caliente]] and [[Katrina Caliente]], but other than that, the idea of separating information from the original pages, well. It just doesn't seem right to me. This is just my personal take on this, but it's my opinion! :) -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 02:24, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
::::::I get your opinion. However, despite The Sims 4 characters essentially being the same characters the fact is that they're not. They exist in an alternative universe to the one we played for years (The Sims - The Sims 3). Like I have stated, it's just like the Sonic Universe/Boom Universe. They are essentially the same characters, but they are not. This is similar to something that happened on the Tomb Raider Wikia. Lara, from the "Rise" series or "2013 series" was put down as a non canonical character on that Wikia until recently. People didn't want to accept that this Lara is canon in her own universe. Similar to this situation, as I'm guessing people don't want to accept that the Sims in The Sims 4 are canonically different characters. Also, in the original universe Bella Goth is now deceased. However, she is living in The Sims 4. That's another reason why the pages should be separated. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 12:46, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
{{od|::::::::}}
I understand your reasoning. However, '''we are not Tomb Raider Wiki'''. Personally, I like things the way they are here in terms of main/alternate universe organisation. Despite them existing in different universes, '''they all share the same name''' (unless you count Nighat and Katrina Caliente. Then it just gets heck of a lot confusing.) So unless we want a loooooong list of disambiguation pages we don't really need, I '''do not''' recommend having separate articles for every single TS4 doppelgänger that pops into existence. —'''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:historyfiction:User:WikiBuilder1147|IH]] • [[w:c:galactic-crucibles:User:WikiBuilder1147|GC]] • [[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 13:11, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
:I have never stated that this is the Tomb Raider Wikia. I'm just using that Wikia and other's as examples as those Wikia's are '''a lot more organized''' when it comes to separate universes. I think people just need to accept that The Sims 4 is essentially a reboot of the series and that the characters are different. It doesn't really matter if they share the same name... Appearances, some family ties, personality, and other things are different. Also, like I previously stated, Sims like Bella Goth are deceased while being alive in The Sims 4... Thus, another reason to be separated. Don't get me wrong I respect your opinion. I just think they should be separated as it technically makes more sense. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 13:28, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
::@[[User:K6ka|K6ka]]: Would it be possible to see a demonstration of the Tabber/mobile heading system in action on a Sim page? Whether or not that design is feasible would go a long way towards deciding my personal feelings on a page split. If using a tabber for these pages would be practical, then I would probably support it over a complete split. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 16:00, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
:::I actually agree. I wouldn't mind a tabber/mobile heading but I want to see it in action. If it looks good an all then I will most probably want that, if not them I'm still for a page split. Also, @[[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] a bit off-topic but if it is decided for a page split or tabber/mobile heading do you think we should merge [[Bella Goth (Lunar Lakes)]] with the original [[Bella Goth]] page? As we know, she is the same Bella as The Sims 1/2/3. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 16:07, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
::::@ JaseyJasee - No, I still don't agree with the majority of your opinion, because the neighbourhood that Bella Goth appears in the Sims 4 takes place before Pleasantview does in the Sims 2. Also Bella Goth in the Sims 2 is not deceased because at the start of the game, her ghost flags are not ticked. She only dies if you add her to a playable household without removing the death token she has. She isn't already deceased. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 06:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:C.Syde65|C.Syde65]] Sorry but no it doesn't. The Sims 4 takes place in an '''entirely different timeline''' to that of [[The Sims]], [[The Sims 2]] and [[The Sims 3]]. Everything in [[The Sims 4]] is set in it's own universe, The Sims 4 is not a part of The Sims 1/2/3 universe it's the start of a '''whole new one'''. That's why I'm saying the pages should be seaparated as they are different universe's. So no, Willow Creek, the world Bella Goth lives in is '''not''' set before The Sims 2. It's the beginning of it's own new timeline. As for Bella being deceased, she is. [[Bella Goth (Lunar Lakes)]] is the same Bella from the main series (The Sims 1/2/3) so yes, Bella is canonically deceased in the main series. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 11:54, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
::::::The Sims 4 is really a series of mixed timelines. But somehow I still don't agree, for the reasons I posted above. I also don't think the Lunar Lakes Bella has enough resemblance to the Pleasantview Bella to warrant a merge between those two pages. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 02:31, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The Sims 4 '''is not''' a series of a mixed timelines, it has been said more than once by the DEVs that's its an '''alternate''' universe '''completely separate''' from the one established in The Sims 1/2/3. It is its own brand new timeline! The fact that Lunar Lakes Bella doesn't resemble Pleasantview Bella is irrelevant. It's still her, that's been confirmed by the DEVs too. Also, you must remember that she is an elder. The DEVs might have made her look very different to make her look like she's been dead for a while. The fact still remains that it is Pleasantview Bella, despite her appearance. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 02:59, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, that may be so. But I still stand by my reasons listed above. What I've said above does reflect my personal take on this after all, and I'm not trying to stand in the way of anyone who has a different opinion to myself. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 03:36, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
{{od|:::::::::}}
So, according to this discussion some people agree with the page split, some don't, I also do take notice that polls cannot be used to determine a result, however, as a guideline the poll shows that the Community are more in favor of the split than not. With that said, what are the final thoughts before a decision is made? @[[User:K6ka|K6ka]], @[[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]]. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 00:43, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
:@JaseyJasee - I think more people must have used the poll since you posted your comment, because from looking at the poll, I can actually see that more people that used the poll are not in favour of the split. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:53, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
::Looks as if they have, however it also seems that the votes for "yes" are going up once again. I understand now why this Wiki doesn't use polls to settle things like this. However, it can still be used as guidance. For the poll, I know it's not relevant, but I will put an end to it tomorrow. So final poll results will be tomorrow (BST) - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 16:21, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm still awaiting a possible demonstration from K6ka regarding tabbers. I won't be able to say definitely whether or not I support a split until then. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:24, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
::::I understand, I am also waiting for a demonstration from him. However, @[[User:K6ka|K6ka]] has been online, and has also most probably seen this thread, and thus our request, so how long should we exactly wait for him to give us a demonstration before we make a final decision? As he may never make a demonstration it would once again mean that no decision will be made... Unless you have made a decision yourself now? - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 17:16, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay, kinda forgot about this thread. Anyways, by "tabber demonstration" I assume you mean "I show you how the idea works."
:::::In my sandbox I took some tabbers and inserted <code><nowiki><span style="display:none;"></nowiki></code> tags into them. Just below the tabber title I put those tags there, and in between those tags I repeated the tabber title. ([http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160&action=raw Raw wikitext])
::::::Desktop users will see [http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160 this]. The tabbers are visible, but not the "display:none" tags.
::::::In the mobile view, the tabbers do not load so their contents simply "spill out" onto the page. However, "display:none" tags are also not rendered and so their contents "spill out" too. Thus the same page would look like [http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160&useskin=wikiamobile this] on Mobile.
::::::The idea is for these tags to serve as tabber titles on mobile devices while simultaneously not disrupting the view for desktop users. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 00:04, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
{{od|::::::}}
So yesterday I made a test [[Template:Tab Template Test|Template]] as a way of separating The Sims 4 information away from the information established in the original timeline. The Template is like Tabs but links to subpages instead, and also shows on the mobile skin. So essentially it's not a full page separation. You would have the main overview page that will contain the Template '''simbio-start''' with basic information about the Sim, that sims simology, easter eggs, trivia etc.. Then you would have one Tab that would be '''Original Universe''' that would contain the '''simbio1, simbio2, simbio3''' and infomrmation from those respective games and other things. Then you would have another tab that would be '''Alternative Universe''' that would have '''sim4''' and information from that game and other things. So what do you all thing about this idea then? Here is an example of what the tab will look like....
{{Template:Tab Template Test
|backcolor=green
|altbackcolor=#FFFFFF
|bordercolor=blue
|borderradius=6
|height=2.2
|maxwidth=20
|tab1=Overview
|tab2=Original Universe
|tab3=Alternative Universe
}}
'''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 21:23, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
:This idea of yours isn't too bad, I mean it does at least have a navigation bar where users can quickly move from page to page. If that's the case, I wouldn't be opposed to your idea, unlike I was before. But on the other hand I wouldn't mind, if your idea didn't make the cut. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:06, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was hoping you'd like this idea better. I personally like this much better than a full page split also, I think that in the future if any other Sims games come out that is the same universe as The Sims 4 then this will be a much better way to differentiate between the Original universe and the new one. Also, it means we won't have full page length simbios which looks nicer! The navigation bar is very seamless and fast and it links directly back to the main Sim page. So yeah, I think this would be a much better solution! - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 22:21, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::I think it would be best if the Alternative Universe tab had its own instance of Simbio-start as well, since Simbio-start lists out (among other things), siblings, romantic relationships, and parental links, all of which can and have been altered between the timelines. Also, I'm not a fan of calling it an 'alternative timeline', as that implies that the TS4 timeline is secondary to the TS1-TS2-TS3 timeline. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:16, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
::::Yeah I think a new Simbio-start would be better too, as like you said, the family instances have been altered between the universes. What would you suggest calling The Sims 4 universe? So, do you agree with this change over the full page split?
::::'''Edit''' - I suppose we could call '''The Sims 4''' Universe something like '''New Universe'''? Or '''Current Universe'''? I was just saying Alternative as that's how the DEVs and the majority of people refer to it. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 17:15, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
==Vote on how to proceed==
It seems this discussion has reached an impasse. There are several open questions about how we should proceed from here, but no clear consensus for any one solution, or for making a change to the current arrangement. I think a vote would be useful to help overcome this hurdle. The first question that needs to be answered is simply whether or not a change is even warranted in the way we present information about TS4 Sims and families; if no change is needed, then making additional discussions about the particular kinds of changes is pointless. To that end, I would like to start up a vote on how to proceed. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:44, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
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;Question
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'''Should The Sims Wiki make a change to how it presents information about Sims and families in The Sims 4?'''
:'''Yes''' - The Sims Wiki should adjust how it presents this information.
:'''No''' - The Sims Wiki should not adjust how it presents this information.
Note that this vote does not determine a course of action if it's determined that a change is needed; it simply determines whether a change would be appropriate or not based on the desire of the community.
''Voting on this matter will last until seven days from now; 03:44 August 22, 2015 (UTC). Countdown - {{Countdown|time=03:44 August 22, 2015|zone=UTC}}''
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'''Please cast your vote below'''
===Yes===
*— '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— '''[[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">Jasey</font>]] [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">Jasee</font>]]<sup> [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JaseyJasee|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 12:00, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 13:59, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 18:41, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*—~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 19:12, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— '''[[User:Con Con1995|<font color="black">Con</font>]] [[User:Con Con1995|<font color="darkturquoise">Con1995</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:Con Con1995|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:Con Con1995|<font color="darkturquoise">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Con Con1995|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:43, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
===No===
*— '''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • [[w:c:mapgame:User:WikiBuilder1147|MGW]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 04:39, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 04:40, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*― [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 06:18, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
===Comments===
*I'm not sure exactly what kind of system would be best, but I feel that there could be improvements to how we currently handle these cases. TS4-era information is sometimes directly contradictory to earlier information, so it's confusing and misleading to include both in the same place. Again, I'm not sure what change should be implemented, but I think a change of some sort is needed. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*Personally I think the '''<nowiki>{{Tab Template Test}}</nowiki>''' would be the best way to separate The Sims 4 era from the previous era, and not a '''full page split'''. As like you said, some information contradicts previous information that has been established, and if The Sims Team decide to make The Sims 5, continuing in TS4 Universe then more information will probably start to contradict. I think it's best to set up a change now. User's may get confused about the contradicting information if no change is done, I've seen many times User's asking on Fan Games if it is real or not even though it explicity states it's a '''Fan Game''', so I'm pretty sure some Users must get confused about the differences in information on The Sims 4.<br />'''[[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">Jasey</font>]] [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">Jasee</font>]]<sup> [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JaseyJasee|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 12:08, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
==Result==
The vote was generally in support of some changes to how we handle TS4 information, but there is no specific consensus as to how this will be done. As this thread is several months idle, it makes more sense to restart any discussion about the outcome of this vote and its implementation in a new thread or threads. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 17:27, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
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