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'''This is my Original post found [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:JaseyJasee/Why_are_characters_from_The_Sims_Universe_and_The_Sims_4_Universe_still_together%3F HERE]'''
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So what do you think we should do? Should we separate the pages? I mean, it would make more sense as the characters from The Sims 4 are '''completely''' different characters than the ones in the original timeline.
'''Here are the final Poll Results. However, this does not mean that a final decision has been made as the poll results are for guidance from the Community only. The Poll ended on June 30, 2015 (BST).'''
[[File:TS4PollResults.png|700px]]
-- '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 00:33, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
==Discussion==
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:::::@[[User:C.Syde65|C.Syde65]] Sorry but no it doesn't. The Sims 4 takes place in an '''entirely different timeline''' to that of [[The Sims]], [[The Sims 2]] and [[The Sims 3]]. Everything in [[The Sims 4]] is set in it's own universe, The Sims 4 is not a part of The Sims 1/2/3 universe it's the start of a '''whole new one'''. That's why I'm saying the pages should be seaparated as they are different universe's. So no, Willow Creek, the world Bella Goth lives in is '''not''' set before The Sims 2. It's the beginning of it's own new timeline. As for Bella being deceased, she is. [[Bella Goth (Lunar Lakes)]] is the same Bella from the main series (The Sims 1/2/3) so yes, Bella is canonically deceased in the main series. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 11:54, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
::::::The Sims 4 is really a series of mixed timelines. But somehow I still don't agree, for the reasons I posted above. I also don't think the Lunar Lakes Bella has enough resemblance to the Pleasantview Bella to warrant a merge between those two pages. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 02:31, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The Sims 4 '''is not''' a series of a mixed timelines, it has been said more than once by the DEVs that's its an '''alternate''' universe '''completely separate''' from the one established in The Sims 1/2/3. It is its own brand new timeline! The fact that Lunar Lakes Bella doesn't resemble Pleasantview Bella is irrelevant. It's still her, that's been confirmed by the DEVs too. Also, you must remember that she is an elder. The DEVs might have made her look very different to make her look like she's been dead for a while. The fact still remains that it is Pleasantview Bella, despite her appearance. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]])
::::::::Okay, that may be so. But I still stand by my reasons listed above. What I've said above does reflect my personal take on this after all, and I'm not trying to stand in the way of anyone who has a different opinion to myself. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 03:36, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
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So, according to this discussion some people agree with the page split, some don't, I also do take notice that polls cannot be used to determine a result, however, as a guideline the poll shows that the Community are more in favor of the split than not. With that said, what are the final thoughts before a decision is made? @[[User:K6ka|K6ka]], @[[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]]. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 00:43, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
:@JaseyJasee - I think more people must have used the poll since you posted your comment, because from looking at the poll, I can actually see that more people that used the poll are not in favour of the split. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:53, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
::Looks as if they have, however it also seems that the votes for "yes" are going up once again. I understand now why this Wiki doesn't use polls to settle things like this. However, it can still be used as guidance. For the poll, I know it's not relevant, but I will put an end to it tomorrow. So final poll results will be tomorrow (BST) - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 16:21, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm still awaiting a possible demonstration from K6ka regarding tabbers. I won't be able to say definitely whether or not I support a split until then. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:24, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
::::I understand, I am also waiting for a demonstration from him. However, @[[User:K6ka|K6ka]] has been online, and has also most probably seen this thread, and thus our request, so how long should we exactly wait for him to give us a demonstration before we make a final decision? As he may never make a demonstration it would once again mean that no decision will be made... Unless you have made a decision yourself now? - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 17:16, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
:::::Sorry for the delay, kinda forgot about this thread. Anyways, by "tabber demonstration" I assume you mean "I show you how the idea works."
:::::In my sandbox I took some tabbers and inserted <code><nowiki><span style="display:none;"></nowiki></code> tags into them. Just below the tabber title I put those tags there, and in between those tags I repeated the tabber title. ([http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160&action=raw Raw wikitext])
::::::Desktop users will see [http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160 this]. The tabbers are visible, but not the "display:none" tags.
::::::In the mobile view, the tabbers do not load so their contents simply "spill out" onto the page. However, "display:none" tags are also not rendered and so their contents "spill out" too. Thus the same page would look like [http://sims.wikia.com/?oldid=677160&useskin=wikiamobile this] on Mobile.
::::::The idea is for these tags to serve as tabber titles on mobile devices while simultaneously not disrupting the view for desktop users. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 00:04, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
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So yesterday I made a test [[Template:Tab Template Test|Template]] as a way of separating The Sims 4 information away from the information established in the original timeline. The Template is like Tabs but links to subpages instead, and also shows on the mobile skin. So essentially it's not a full page separation. You would have the main overview page that will contain the Template '''simbio-start''' with basic information about the Sim, that sims simology, easter eggs, trivia etc.. Then you would have one Tab that would be '''Original Universe''' that would contain the '''simbio1, simbio2, simbio3''' and infomrmation from those respective games and other things. Then you would have another tab that would be '''Alternative Universe''' that would have '''sim4''' and information from that game and other things. So what do you all thing about this idea then? Here is an example of what the tab will look like....
{{Template:Tab Template Test
|backcolor=green
|altbackcolor=#FFFFFF
|bordercolor=blue
|borderradius=6
|height=2.2
|maxwidth=20
|tab1=Overview
|tab2=Original Universe
|tab3=Alternative Universe
}}
'''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 21:23, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
:This idea of yours isn't too bad, I mean it does at least have a navigation bar where users can quickly move from page to page. If that's the case, I wouldn't be opposed to your idea, unlike I was before. But on the other hand I wouldn't mind, if your idea didn't make the cut. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:06, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was hoping you'd like this idea better. I personally like this much better than a full page split also, I think that in the future if any other Sims games come out that is the same universe as The Sims 4 then this will be a much better way to differentiate between the Original universe and the new one. Also, it means we won't have full page length simbios which looks nicer! The navigation bar is very seamless and fast and it links directly back to the main Sim page. So yeah, I think this would be a much better solution! - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 22:21, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::I think it would be best if the Alternative Universe tab had its own instance of Simbio-start as well, since Simbio-start lists out (among other things), siblings, romantic relationships, and parental links, all of which can and have been altered between the timelines. Also, I'm not a fan of calling it an 'alternative timeline', as that implies that the TS4 timeline is secondary to the TS1-TS2-TS3 timeline. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:16, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
::::Yeah I think a new Simbio-start would be better too, as like you said, the family instances have been altered between the universes. What would you suggest calling The Sims 4 universe? So, do you agree with this change over the full page split?
::::'''Edit''' - I suppose we could call '''The Sims 4''' Universe something like '''New Universe'''? Or '''Current Universe'''? I was just saying Alternative as that's how the DEVs and the majority of people refer to it. - '''''[http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/User:JaseyJasee <font COLOR="red">Jasey</font><font COLOR="black">Jasee</font>]''''' ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 17:15, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
==Vote on how to proceed==
It seems this discussion has reached an impasse. There are several open questions about how we should proceed from here, but no clear consensus for any one solution, or for making a change to the current arrangement. I think a vote would be useful to help overcome this hurdle. The first question that needs to be answered is simply whether or not a change is even warranted in the way we present information about TS4 Sims and families; if no change is needed, then making additional discussions about the particular kinds of changes is pointless. To that end, I would like to start up a vote on how to proceed. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:44, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
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'''Should The Sims Wiki make a change to how it presents information about Sims and families in The Sims 4?'''
:'''Yes''' - The Sims Wiki should adjust how it presents this information.
:'''No''' - The Sims Wiki should not adjust how it presents this information.
Note that this vote does not determine a course of action if it's determined that a change is needed; it simply determines whether a change would be appropriate or not based on the desire of the community.
''Voting on this matter will last until seven days from now; 03:44 August 22, 2015 (UTC). Countdown - {{Countdown|time=03:44 August 22, 2015|zone=UTC}}''
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'''Please cast your vote below'''
===Yes===
*— '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— '''[[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">Jasey</font>]] [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">Jasee</font>]]<sup> [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JaseyJasee|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 12:00, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 13:59, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 18:41, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*—~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 19:12, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*— '''[[User:Con Con1995|<font color="black">Con</font>]] [[User:Con Con1995|<font color="darkturquoise">Con1995</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:Con Con1995|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:Con Con1995|<font color="darkturquoise">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Con Con1995|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 02:43, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
===No===
*— '''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • [[w:c:mapgame:User:WikiBuilder1147|MGW]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 04:39, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 04:40, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*― [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 06:18, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
===Comments===
*I'm not sure exactly what kind of system would be best, but I feel that there could be improvements to how we currently handle these cases. TS4-era information is sometimes directly contradictory to earlier information, so it's confusing and misleading to include both in the same place. Again, I'm not sure what change should be implemented, but I think a change of some sort is needed. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
*Personally I think the '''<nowiki>{{Tab Template Test}}</nowiki>''' would be the best way to separate The Sims 4 era from the previous era, and not a '''full page split'''. As like you said, some information contradicts previous information that has been established, and if The Sims Team decide to make The Sims 5, continuing in TS4 Universe then more information will probably start to contradict. I think it's best to set up a change now. User's may get confused about the contradicting information if no change is done, I've seen many times User's asking on Fan Games if it is real or not even though it explicity states it's a '''Fan Game''', so I'm pretty sure some Users must get confused about the differences in information on The Sims 4.<br />'''[[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">Jasey</font>]] [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">Jasee</font>]]<sup> [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="black">talk</font>]] • [[User:JaseyJasee|<font color="red">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JaseyJasee|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 12:08, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
==Result==
The vote was generally in support of some changes to how we handle TS4 information, but there is no specific consensus as to how this will be done. As this thread is several months idle, it makes more sense to restart any discussion about the outcome of this vote and its implementation in a new thread or threads. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 17:27, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
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