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I'm not a huge fan of using {{t|Main}} to link to the subpages. But, until we devise a better way to do it, it seems like the best option. Perhaps we can look at other wikis that divide articles like this (none come to mind immediately) to help inspire a way forward. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 18:14, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
:Look at the Sonic Wiki, this is how they separate the original timeline from the Sonic Boom timeline (and many others). I think this will be a good way to separate The Sims - The Sims 3 timeline and The Sims 4 timeline :) http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Sonic_Boom)<br />http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog -- '''[[User:JaseyJasee|JaseyJasee]] ([[User talk:JaseyJasee|talk]]) 16:22, September 4, 2014 (UTC)'''
Another option is how they handle some templates on Bulbapedia. For an example: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Squirtle_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29#Learnset]. You'll note, the template displays information for the most recent generation automatically, and provides links to earlier generations. Clicking on one of the page links loads the subpage relevant to that generation. The system is seamless enough to where the page jump isn't jarring, and each generation links to the other generations. The idea would need some adapting to work here, but I think it could. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 20:27, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
I went ahead and re-built my Bella Goth test pages to demonstrate what I'm describing here. Go to [[User:LostInRiverview/Bella Goth]] and go to the Biography section to see what I'm talking about.
The separate box above the Sim infobox could be incorporated fully into the template if we choose to go that route, or else it could be its own separate template. We could devise some way to make the template recognize what game generation it is, or we can simply have that information be added manually. I'm pretty sure we can use an #ifexist parser function to have it remove pages that don't exist like if, for instance, a Sim only appeared in generations two and four. We could have it set up to check if a properly-named page existed for the Sims's first generation biography and, since it doesn't, the link wouldn't appear. There's lots of little details left to work out, of course.
Keeping in mind that this is still a work-in-progress, what do you think? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 02:48, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
: LiR, your idea seems good and I like the example given, but the term "generation" seems a bit iffy, in my opinion. I think that we could use something in the lines of "The Sims 2" or "The Sims 2 Era" instead of "Generation Two", since EA and the fanbase don't really seem to use that term often. {{Template:DanPinSig}}10:32, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
::I was looking for a name that demonstrated that the "generation" didn't simply apply to the base game, but to other games released simultaneously. I think your wording of "Era" does this better, without really having to explain to the reader what we mean when we say "Generation". -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 20:08, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
:::I support all the statements above. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 20:26, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm not exactly sure. The idea of turning the sections into subpages doesn't appeal to me at all. How much of work would it take and how wide will it be implemented? We keep seeing it at TS4 POV. Because of the alternate timeline, we seek to divide all eras altogether, but how about Sims who don't belong to the alternate timeline? How about Sims like [[Mom Landgraab]] or [[Goopy GilsCarbo]]; will they also be separated into subpages? If they're not separated, then how far is the scope of this idea? Truthfully, if they're not separated, that would make the whole format inconsistent and we're only looking at the Sim articles that are more popular than others. OTOH, if they're separated, will the work invested in them be worth it?
::::Well, I suppose I was just overcomplicating everything, but I'm just saying I'm not fond of this idea. It's a great effort, though, and I really appreciate it. I still prefer using tabber though. FWIW, the current implementation of TS4 timeline looks pretty fine and neat to me. IMO, instead of putting "Life leading up to The Sims 4" header 3 subsection under "Biography" header 2 section, we should make a new "Alternate Timeline" header 2 section. That way, I think, is much simpler and neater. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 09:11, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
:::::'''ETA''': That "separating the subsection into a new section" idea is from me thinking that the point we're making is to make the page easy to distinguish between main timeline and alternate timeline without making everything too complicated. Because putting under "Biography" section makes it look mixed with the main timeline, just separating the section will do the trick already. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 09:15, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
::::::I prefer the tabber as well, but as was mentioned above, it doesn't work on all devices, so it makes content within tabs inaccessible to people browsing on mobile devices. Also keep in mind that any change to the format would require a substantial amount of work, be that through subpages, tabbers, etc. Tabbers work in a somewhat similar manner, in that the page content is separated onto multiple subpages; the difference between the two systems being that information from the subpages is displayed on the "main" page through the tabber, versus viewed on the separate page through the alternate method. I think both systems avoid the pitfall of having the information on a single page, as currently pages about Sims in multiple games are (to put it politely) very disorganized and chaotic. For instance, we organize biography information in order of the in-series chronology (i.e. TS3 --> TS --> TS2), but the average gamer might not realize that there is such an in-universe order. As well, TS4, being a new timeline, does not fit into this chronology at all. Separating all the information seems the most logical move, as it avoids clutter and keeps like and relevant information combined together. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 07:43, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
==Closure==
It's been over '''2 weeks''' with no response. As consensus seemed to have "magically" formed through the edit window and not this thread, and seeing that there seems to be no other issues or complaints with how articles for TS4 are coming out, I am closing this thread. If you want to revive this issue please start a new thread. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 02:26, October 21, 2014 (UTC)
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