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As some of you may be aware, [[User:Timmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy|a certain user]] who was permanently blocked the other day had been a major nuisance with his userpage as well as those of other users, [[Special:Contributions/Timmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy|as evident by his final contributions]]. From a quick overview it appears that this had been influenced by the commonly used "Friends lists" that appear on many userpages here. It also appears that he had used his userpage to post flamebait/attacking images of other user's activity in [[The Sims Wiki:Chat|Chat]].
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I do still support friends list elimination altogether because I see this as resulting in drama no matter which way we go. If we stick with the status quo, users will still add themselves to lists of people who don't consider them friends, and there's a lot of drama potential in that. If we go with what I've suggested, you have the possibility of users becoming offended if a friends list owner doesn't add them to their list, which may be further exacerbated if the user then asks the owner on their talk page to be added to the list. Getting rid of friends lists seems to me to be the best solution, but I know I'm not going to win this argument so it's the last time I'm going to bring it up. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 15:46, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me. I too personally would rather friends lists were eliminated but then all the other issues would come into play. For now I'd say this is the best solution. {{LabSig}} 16:00, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for being late to the discussion, but I think that we should just get rid of friends lists in general to avoid this sort of thing happening again. As well as that I think we should implement that abuse filter as well. Editing userpages for grammar I'm not sure about, some users might take it the wrong way. Reverting vandalism is fine. ''p.s. lrn2indent'' {{WHsig|00:56, April 1, 2013 (UTC)}}
==Keeping versus removing lists==
It has been a week since the last comment. Based on the comments thus far, there is no overwhelming consensus either for keeping or eliminating Friends Lists, though the general undertone seems to be towards keeping the lists, if for no other reason than because removal would be logistically difficult. Even if lists are kept, it seems as if there is a disagreement on whether or not users should be able to sign others' lists.
Seeing as the course of the policy which could be ultimately enacted seems to depend on deciding the Friends List issue, I suggest that we solve it first. Namely, do you support or oppose the removal of Friends Lists, and why? Please comment below, and we'll see where consensus lies. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:41, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
I'd personally '''support''' eliminating friends lists altogether as it would eliminate a whole lot of drama. However the real question when discussing this is: ''Would it even be practical to enforce a wide scale elimination/prohibition of something like this?'' There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It would be great if we could do this but gaining co-operation will probably be a different story altogether, I don't know that but the positives and negatives are wide open at the moment, this will be interesting... {{LabSig}} 21:41, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
:If the wiki community decided that Friends Lists are not allowed, it would enter into formal policy and those with the lists would be required to remove them. If they chose to ignore the policy, it would be punishable. As far as I can see, there is no real enforcement issue here. The only major issue is whether the community would actually support their removal, because without entering it into formal policy there would be no grounds to enforce it. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 21:55, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
::I get what you're saying but my point was stated below by Nikel in saying that there's "''not really an efficient or easy way to enforce this''". {{LabSig}} 18:41, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
I'd choose to '''oppose''' eliminating friends list. There's not really an efficient or easy way to enforce this, especially that not everyone will recognize this policy in the first place either. We're not becoming police around the wiki; checking each user's page, finding out someone still has the list and punishing him/her seems so wrong. The user who caused this discussion to start was a troll anyway, and it's okay if he enlisted us as his friends, because we clearly ''are not'' his friends, and we know it, mostly. I say what's needed for better consideration is whether the user ''allows'' other users to add their own name in his/her friend list, because that way I found it more annoying than having a friend list. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:49, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
:Some regulars start removing their friends list, so I guess this is taking its effect eventually. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
== Summing things up ==
Because there has been no development in this for a couple of weeks, I'm going to draw what appears to be a rough consensus from what we already have.
*Implementing the new addition to [[Special:AbuseFilter]] to moderate edits to other userpages.
*Edits to the userpages of others are only allowed for maintenance or reverting vandalism - the AbuseFilter would throw a warning beforehand alerting any user touching somebody else's userspace.
*Friends lists can stay provided they're only touched by the userpage owner (in order to minimise drama).
Besides the obvious stuff that coincides with the general policies of the wiki, what I've drafted seems to be the breakeven point for dissecting the raised issues at hand. If anybody has any comments then please don't hesitate to make them within the next few days otherwise we could probably implement this policy on a formal scale. {{LabSig}} 12:47, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
:I think the summation you've made is pretty good. Here's a very quick write-up that we can use on the Policy page, when/if this is adopted:
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;Userpage policies
# Edits to the userpages of other users are only allowed for maintenance purposes, or to revert vandalism. It shall be at the discretion of the userpage owner and the administrators to determine whether an edit made to a userpage is in good faith.
# Users can add or keep "Friends Lists" on their userpages. Only the page owner may edit the list.
# Administrators may edit userpages for the purposes of maintenance, vandalism cleanup, enforcement of policy, or posting of special awards received. Awards posted to a user's userpage should be accompanied by a notification on their talk page, and awards posted may be removed by the page owner.
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Thoughts? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 12:59, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good. {{LabSig}} 21:13, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
'''Closed''' - Because this has dried up, I've implemented, based on community consensus, [[The Sims Wiki:Policy/General Policies#Userpage policies|the new policy]] and [[Special:AbuseFilter/25|the new filter]]. {{LabSig}} 21:29, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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