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Line 1: {{Forumheader\|Community discussions\|archive}} <!--Add your intro here--> {{Resolved/mini\|res\| Consensus was reached for the adoption of the [[The Sims Wiki:Image and file policy\|image and file policy]], and it has entered into force. -- 03:05, December 16, 2012 (UTC)}} __TOC__ I happened upon [[w:c:Community:User_blog:Semanticdrifter/Understanding_Fair_Use\|this staff blog on Community Central]], discussing the use of Fair Use as it relates to uploading copyrighted works (mainly images) to wikis. In reading this article I realized that our wiki has very little, if anything, as far as formal standards regarding what is acceptable to upload here, and any action we may take in situations where uploads violate copyright. This blog post wasn't when I first realized this, but it is now spurring me to start this discussion. Line 30 ⟶ 32: :How's that look? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 06:14, November 29, 2012 (UTC) :''(adding more)'' ... this just occurred to me. Instead of blocking on the fourth and subsequent violations, we could place them under [[TSW:ER\|Editing Restriction]], prohibiting them from uploading new images or files for a period of time. That way they can continue to edit the wiki, just not upload new files. Granted, by this point if they don't understand the messages and warnings we might just be better off going to escalating blocks like normal. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 06:16, November 29, 2012 (UTC) ::I still don't really understand how Fair Use works or even what it is, and AFAIK, the only copyright violation problem we've ever had is [[Forum:Stolen_content_from_me\|this]], though I'm not sure if there's even more. So I don't know if we need to make a strict policy for the file and image copyright. :/ We may be able to implement this, but making it strict, I don't know. [[User:Nikel23\|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23\|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting\|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 13:13, November 29, 2012 (UTC) :::A policy like this is a way to protect our wiki and our users from copyright non-compliance. A copyright holder (in our case, EA) has the right to demand that their copyrighted material be taken down if they see it as being misused or if we don't have a valid reasoning for why it falls under fair use. The copyright holder ''can'' even seek legal action. While this situation is admittedly rare (as there is a framework existing in the law to prevent it from reaching the courts unless necessary) having some amount of protection against it would be good. The policy as a whole would mandate that our images not only stipulate who holds the copyright and whether our use is under fair use, but would mandate that a user justifies how fair use applies to a particular image uploaded. :::To briefly explain fair use... A person who creates original works, like an author, artist, or video game conglomerate, holds a copyright on all works they produce. This gives that person/company the exclusive right to sell the content and to reproduce it. The copyright holder can choose to waive that right (thus putting the work in public domain) or can be contacted on a case-by-case basis to allow their works to be used by a third-party. It would be impractical if not impossible for TSW to contact EA and ask for permission every time someone uploaded an image to the wiki. Fortunately, there's the Fair Use doctrine. :::Essentially, Fair Use states that the right of a copyright holder to control the use of their copyrighted material might be challenged if certain criteria were met. These criteria include use of copyrighted material for the purposes of educating, reporting news, or critiquing. So when we upload EA-copyrighted images to the wiki, we almost always do so with the intent that the image will help us illustrate something; thus our use of the image falls under a fair use justification. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 14:43, November 29, 2012 (UTC) We've needed something concrete on files for a while now anyway. While I do believe that the problems we have with the File namespace extend beyond that of licensing (file names come to mind), we may as well tackle one thing at a time. I support this proposal although I'm not too sure whether or not [[TSW:ER]] would be practical to enforce for repeated offenders as although it's aim is to get the message across of what is and isn't okay, it can also seem like the warning process is being prolonged with very little progress, should it get to stage 4. If this policy is implemented then anything we add to ER on constant offenders would be implicitly stated in the policy anyway. {{LabSig}} 20:07, November 29, 2012 (UTC) :::I think this should be a comprehensive policy, not necessarily limited just to copyright and licensing, though that is the main focus of the policy. So having a section regarding acceptable/unacceptable file names, and types of acceptable/unacceptable files (think pornographic photos, for instance) could definitely be included. As for the handling of repeat offenders, perhaps we could remove the third step and make the second step more of a formalized warning (though without necessarily using the warning template, because I hate the warning template), stating that repeating the action would result in a restriction on uploading. That way if they were to violate the upload restriction, it would result in a block, and that would be the fourth step in the new process. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 23:04, November 29, 2012 (UTC) ::::Works for me. The way we plan to handle a user's block long term can easily be put down in the restriction. {{LabSig}} 23:09, November 29, 2012 (UTC) ==Drafting== Alright, based on the feedback above I feel it's safe to proceed to drafting up the policy itself. [[The Sims Wiki:Image and file policy]] has been created along with a framework for what I envision the policy to be. Please leave any suggested wording or revisions below. Once the final product is complete I'll bring it back here for consideration by the community at large. Keep in mind, the page is a major work in progress. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 21:16, November 30, 2012 (UTC) ==Formal proposal== I have completed writing [[The Sims Wiki:Image and file policy\|the proposed policy]]. Please give feedback on the policy below, including suggested changes or revisions as you see fit. If you agree with the policy as-is, please use the {{t\|VoteFor}} template, and if you're against the policy, please use {{t\|VoteAgainst}}. Note that this is not a vote, and it will go on as long as is necessary to determine whether or not a consensus exists for adopting the policy. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 02:45, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{VoteFor}} - I am in full support for this policy. ([[User:ThomasWikia\|ThomasWikia]]) 03:38, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - yay we're actually getting something done for once {{WHsig\|04:08, December 14, 2012 (UTC)}} {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - Yep. ~ [[User:Waikikamukow\|<font color="6a2286">Waikikamukow</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Waikikamukow\|<font color="00b0f4">Anyone wanna chat?</font>]])</small>04:31, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - Sure, why not. - {{DanPinSig}} 07:10, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - Yeah 🌹[[User:Devdevdev\|<span style="color:#98777E">Deathbee1000</span>]]07:57, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - Sounds like a good plan. - [[User:Starmoonie\|<font face="segoe print" color="#E8E000"><b>Star</b></font>]]-[[User talk:Starmoonie\|<font face="modern" color="#0079A5">Talk</font>]]10:22, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} - Sounds OK to me. [[User:JM9193\|JM9193]] ([[User talk:JM9193\|talk]]) 11:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}}'''Support''' - We've needed a policy like this forever, as I've already stated, and we're making progress by finally getting one. {{LabSig}}12:05, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} I strongly support this policy. <font face="Albertus">[[User:NikolaSims\|<span style="text-shadow:black 0 2px 2px;">Nikola</span>]] ([[User talk:NikolaSims\|Let's talk]])</font>15:05, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} Everything will be more organized and I like that. <font face="corbel">'''[[User:TheSims23\|<span style="color:skyblue">Life just wouldn't be the same without the Sims!</span>]]''' [[User talk:TheSims23\|<span style="color:skyblue"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]]</font>15:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} It will only help the wikipedia more. [[User:xxgreenbunnyxx\|I'm Deskita]] [[User_talk:Xxgreenbunnyxx\|Talk to me If you want]]16:03, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} I like this- I'd say go for it. <font face="Courier (typeface)">[[User:AsherÉire\|<font color="#74C365">Asher</font><font color="#FFA700">'''Éire'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:AsherÉire\|I'm a lonely person, so please talk to me...]]</small> </font>16:24, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} It'll make the wiki better. [[User:Vss2eip\|<font face="Vladimir Script" size="3"><span style="color:#50C878; text-shadow:black 0 4px 4px;">'''Vss2eip'''</span></font>]][[User_talk:Vss2eip\|<span style="color:#50C878; text-shadow:black 0 4px 4px;"><sup>''talk here''</sup></span>]]21:00, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} I agree with this proposal. [[user:Schnetzka\|<span style="color:Green">S C H N E T Z K A</span>]] ([[user talk:Schnetzka\|<span style="color:Purple">Let's Chat</span>]]) 21:10, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}} I think that in the long run this is something that in the long run will be beneficial. In my belief this is a fairly important matter, and to be honest I'm glad you addressed it, LiR. {{PGRSig}}21:19, December 14, 2012 (UTC) {{clrl}}{{Template:VoteFor}}I entirely agree with this.[[User:Hurshbr\|Hurshbr]] ([[User talk:Hurshbr\|talk]]) 22:03, December 14, 2012 (UTC)Hurshbr {{clrl}} {{VoteFor}}I'll go with it :). [[User:ParanormalJ\|ParanormalJ]] ([[User talk:ParanormalJ\|talk]]) 01:22, December 15, 2012 (UTC){{clrl}}{{VoteFor}} Agree :) '''<font face="arial">[[User:Potternia\|<span style="color:#00CCCC">Dini</span>]] ([[User talk:Potternia\|<span style="color:#30D5C8">Feel Free To Talk To Me..</span>]])</font>'''05:51, December 15, 2012 (UTC) {{clr}} {{VoteFor}} Meh, admittedly I'm a bit lazy to add the copyrights. But hey, what's a little effort gonna hurt? I'm up for this! [[User:Bayoubash\|Bayoubash]] [[User:Bayoubash\|Bayoubash]] ([[User talk:Bayoubash\|talk]]) 17:38, December 15, 2012 (UTC){{clr}} {{VoteFor}} - Well, I did propose it, but I suppose it's still good to weigh in. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 02:58, December 16, 2012 (UTC){{clr}} {{VoteFor}} Looks good to me. <font face="Avenir">[[User:Freedom50000\|<span style="color:#330033">'''Freedom'''</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Freedom50000\|<span style="color:#000000">talk</span>]]</small></font> 04:17, December 16, 2012 (UTC) ==Conclusion== In a three day period, there were 20 responses. Even if the response to this had been more mixed, twenty responses is still amazing! I'd like to extend a special thank you to everyone who came here and gave feedback. Out of twenty responses, all were in support of the policy.This constitutes sufficient (and overwhelming) consensus to approve the policy. As such, the [[The Sims Wiki:Image and file policy\|Image and File Policy]] is now in effect. The proper changes will be made to organizational templates, policy pages, etc in the coming days. Thanks everyone! -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview\|<font color="navy">LiR</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">speak</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview\|<font color="green">read</font>]]</sup>''' 03:05, December 16, 2012 (UTC)