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Right. Well, we've reached that point again. Now [[The Sims Wiki:Battles]] simply isn't getting enough activity to be worth keeping around now.
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I'm starting this thread early because it takes ''forever'' for things in this forum to come to fruition, so if consensus exists to close the battles about a month from now, then that'll be done. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 13:40, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
'''EDIT:''' I've compiled a table and a graph of participation in the Battles over the years; you can view it [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S1CQswh83oYYitk8Bsc9Rd7vWNrKYR1EGKrYZxh0Xmc/edit?usp=sharing here].
What's concerning is that the Battles have been on a downward trend for quite some time now, so it was only a matter of time before we had to give it up. We already killed off our [[The Sims Wiki:Fanon Battles|Fanon Battles]] due to its absurdly low popularity and even scantier nominations that made it virtually impossible to run. Who knows what's next to put to rest? —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 19:24, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
==Discussion==
'''Support''' retirement of Battles. I think the problem we run into with battles has to do with our audience.
The vast majority of wiki visitors are readers, who don't edit at all. These readers may not even have access to decent editing tools; the mobile site editor is garbage, and the TSW app doesn't allow you to edit at all. The number of people reading the wiki from a traditional desktop/laptop computer setup is declining, and from that population, very few of them will ever bother to edit.
A very very slim margin of visitors are people who will actually edit the wiki. They're the only ones who will even bother to participate in Battles in the first place. So, any decline in editor activity (as we've seen) will also probably be accompanied by a decline in Battles participation. We could try to wait it out, and wait for more visitors to begin editing the wiki, but even if that does occur (and that is by no means guaranteed, especially as ''The Sims 4'' continues to be received lukewarmly by many Sims fans) there is still a fundamental problem with Battles that we've never solved.
Battles are designed to be reader-oriented, but only editors can participate in them. That's not to say we restrict anyone from participating, but because of the nature of Battles themselves, only people who know at least a little bit about editing can actually vote in the battle, let alone nominate new battles. The intended audience for Battles doesn't match the real audience. Unlike something like Featured Article, which I feel still has a role to play in presenting good articles to the readers (though again, only editors would participate in selecting which articles are featured), I think Battles have outlived their purpose and are from a time when making the crossing from reader to editor was much more straightforward. I support their retirement. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 15:32, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
:I personally feel that we should at least get the current nominations out of the way and retire the battles then, since some of the current nominations still have votes, therefore I feel that it would be necessary to get those nominations out of the way, so that we can then retire the battles afterwards. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 20:51, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
::What's the point of setting those nominations up if nobody's going to vote in them, though? —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 00:15, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
:::Well we don't want to disappoint the users that voted for the nominations to be featured and by extension the users that made the nominations now do we? As far as I can see, a battle should only really not be featured if no one has voted for the battle to be featured. And as long as we have at least 2 votes per battle, I don't see why we can't just get these nominations out of the way and then retire the battles then. Of course, we could always retire the battles but leave the current nominations where they are until there's a popular demand for the battles again, or something. I don't know, but I just don't think it's practical for nominations that have received votes to go to waste. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 00:22, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
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'''Bump'''. Right now we have five nominations pending, which means that we have enough to keep the Battles going until February 2017 (Even if nobody votes in them, and provided that nobody nominates new ones). We still need to decide what to do with the Battles and what to do with the existing nominations. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 13:52, December 3, 2016 (UTC)
I think we should keep the battles because it is interesting to see who wins <:user:Thesims2pets [[User:Thesims2pets|Thesims2pets]] ([[User talk:Thesims2pets|talk]]) 00:31, December 16, 2016 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:WP:INTERESTING|That's not a solid argument]]. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:01, December 16, 2016 (UTC)
==Conclusion==
I've kept this thread open for well over a month and it seems the community's interest in the Battles has greatly waned. With no convincing arguments to keep it open, I have closed the nominations page. However, there are still some nominations left, and the consensus appears to be that we should go through all the remaining nominations before burying this feature. You may not nominate new articles, but you may continue to vote on the existing nominations. Once the last nomination has been processed, this feature will be retired. Any questions or comments should go in a new thread. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 15:21, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
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