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{{Closed|res|Implementation of the VisualEditor is opposed. 07:02, November 28, 2014 (UTC)}}
The Sims Wiki's [[The Sims Wiki:Site feature policy|Site Feature Policy]] requires that all new non-MediaWiki updates to Wikia be disabled by default on The Sims Wiki. Wikia Staff have been developing a new [[Help:VisualEditor|"VisualEditor"]] that will (eventually) replace the RTE/"WYSIWYG" editor. This change will directly affect all unregistered users, and any user that uses the default editor settings in their user preferences, and may have an indirect effect on articles, as the new VE does function differently in some ways from the RTE.
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{{Neutral}} '''Neutral''' (leaning towards slight support) - The principle of the new VE is that it's supposed to correct a lot of the nagging issues in the RTE. Preliminary information suggests that the VE is marginally better than the RTE and marginally less likely to cause problems on the pages it's used on. But ultimately, I'm not going to use the new VE anyways, so I'm not personally directly affected by Wikia's plans to change it. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 00:53, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - The VisualEditor has been nothing but trouble so far. It has been notoriously breaking articles, such as removing links, text bold/italics, wreaking havoc on tables, randomly removing templates (especially maintenance or cleanup tags), and often leaving tons of useless HTML code or orphaned tags (e.g. <nowiki>''''''</nowiki>). It also doesn't work with [[The Sims Wiki:Battles]]; instead of four tildes transforming into a signature, four tildes is wrapped with <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> tags, becoming completely useless. I've been told VisualEditor was enabled for anonymous users by default so "More user feedback could be collected", but it leaves more experienced users out in the cold, or just leaving them to spend more time cleaning up after the mess VE makes. Completely unacceptable. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 02:33, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
:I recently had to [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Joey.eyeball?diff=637680&oldid=637630 advise] [[User:Joey.eyeball|Joey.eyeball]] not to use VisualEditor, and he [http://sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:K6ka&diff=prev&oldid=637711 says] that VisualEditor actually made him edit less due to its issues, instead of "allow[ing] users to edit an article quickly and easily". If such a tool is actually driving away editors, especially existing editors and leaving new editors to unknowingly break pages, then such a tool should not be allowed on the wiki. At least until it's fully baked. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 18:34, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
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{{Neutral}} '''Neutral''' ~ I have to agree with k6ka on the fact that VE has messed up a lot of articles, and it has caused quite a hassle. What with all of the cleaning up we've had to undergo recently. However, I am open to hearing other's opinions on the matter and there is, most likely, someone who is a fan of the new editor. There is a small chance I might change my mind, but for now, I'm neutral towards the editor. [[User:Beds|<font color="#6B1D51">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 21:36, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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{{neutral}} '''Neutral''' - While the VisualEditor does have issues it is still in beta and it is intended to replace the current rte at some point (I think). I don't feel as if the decision here is that important since we'll probably be stuck with it at some point anyway, and non-source editors are notorious for being garbage regardless of the version. {{WHsig|05:07, November 4, 2014 (UTC)}}
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - Well from what I've heard, visual editor has been known to cause quite a problem with inexperienced users, possibly resulting in less active community members. I don't think I'd be much affected by this either way, but for now I'm opposed to this new "VisualEditor". -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:23, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - it does more trouble than it's worth. Source editor is the best editor. --- <big><font color="royalblue">☣</font></big> [[user:Rodrigo X|'''<font color="black"><span style="text-shadow: royalblue 0 4px 4px;">ʀodrigo</span></font> <font color="royalblue"><span style="text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px;">x</span></font>''']] [[User_talk:Rodrigo X|<sup><font color="black">(talk)</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Rodrigo X|<sub><font color="darkblue">(contribs)</font></sub>]] 10:52, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Strong oppose''' - While I think the VisualEditor was a good idea in concept, I really hate the way it was implemented. It causes many problems and, as Rodrigo above me said, it's more trouble than it's worth. Wikia should really take this new oh-so-fabulous feature back to the drawing board and until they produce something more satisfactory, I will consistently vote against VE. ―'''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="green">The</font>]] [[Message Wall:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">Tim</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="lime">Man</font>]]''' <sup>([http://historyfiction.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Infinite Histories] • [http://galactic-crucibles.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Galactic Crucibles] • [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 The Sims Wiki] • [http://hallows-maleficent.wikia.com/wiki/User:WikiBuilder1147 Hallows Maleficent] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Why I'm here in the first place</font>]])'''</sup> 09:00, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - Ever since I've joined the Wikia, as a new account, and using this thing is a disadvantage for almost everyone in my opinion. Why using this when it is very confusing, especially for beginners? [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">~~.ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[Special:Contributions/ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#0000FF">(my mistakes)</span>''']] 09:08, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - VisualEditor is notorious for breaking articles. It leaves more scraps needed to be cleaned up that actually helping improve the article layout. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 06:27, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
==Conclusion==
Based on the responses here, The Sims Wiki community has formally expressed its opposition to the new VisualEditor and officially objects to its implementation on The Sims Wiki. Implementation of this feature therefore would run contrary to established community consensus. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 07:02, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
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