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I'm starting a new thread to discuss this idea, even though we have a thread ([[Forum:Changing the header image]]) discussing part of what I'm proposing. Ultimately what I'm suggesting goes beyond the scope of that thread.
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==EMERGENCY VOTING==
We have less than 24 hours until [[The Sims 4]] is released.
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[[:File:Proposed_Background_1.png]]
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#[[User:Beds|<font color="#6B1D51">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 14:55, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
#--[[User:RoseGui|<span style="color:#FF0038">RoseGui</span><span style="color:#DE3163"><sup>✿</sup></span>]] <sup> <small>([[User talk:RoseGui|<span style="color:#BE0032">talk</span>]])</small></sup> 18:38, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
#[[User:Mathetesalexandrou|<span style="color:#00CC33">MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, </span><span style="color:#00AADD">FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, </span><span style="color:#88AAAA">SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES </span>]] ([[user talk:Mathetesalexandrou]]) 01:07, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
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# Both backgrounds are seriously flawed; the image on the background will be obscured by the main content space and nothing will be visible on the sides except the background pattern. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 18:32, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
#I agree with LostInRiverview. [[User:WayfinderOwl|WayfinderOwl]] ([[User talk:WayfinderOwl|talk]]) 20:07, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
#I can't vote for either backgrounds because of the same thing that LiR stated above. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I think that the background of those images without the other stuff in it would be a better choice. [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 01:30, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
#I think both backgrounds are too extravagant. We need a simpler one. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 10:23, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
#I find both backgrounds quite terrible. The current background is simplistic but effective. [[User:OoppDecks|OoppDecks]] ([[User talk:OoppDecks|talk]]) 08:12, October 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::Closure of this thread is pending. For the moment, it remains open. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 02:38, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
:::Why is the closure pending? Consensus showed support for Option 1. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 02:39, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
::::The vote was thirteen days shorter than mandated in wiki policies. There is a question of whether such a short-duration vote can be used to determine official consensus. [[The_Sims_Wiki_talk:Admin_Portal#Vote_on_Forum:Wiki_theme_redesign|The issue]] is under consideration presently; until a resolution to that question is found, this thread should remain open. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 02:43, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
:::::I'd like to explain the reservations openly. The issue with the vote on this page is that it took place in violation of [[The Sims Wiki:Policy/Participation Policies|the wiki's voting policies]]. Specifically, the vote was set to last for only one day and was started by a non-administrator, whereas policy requires votes to last for 14 days and requires them to be initiated only by admins. The main issue here is one of vote duration. I understand the desire to resolve the vote quickly, since the idea of the theme change is to change the theme before the release of ''The Sims 4''. However, it has been argued that the change being voted on here is not so urgent that it needs to be resolved immediately. If we do not resolve the vote today, the worst case scenario is that our background is not updated in time for ''The Sims 4''. This is not an issue which causes problems for the wiki either in the short-term or long-term, as the wiki's background is not a vital matter of importance for the continued function of the wiki. As a result, there is no good reason to ignore the community-adopted policy that we already have on the books. The purpose of the rule as it exists now is to ensure that votes are not held in such a manner where interested persons would not be able to participate. Not all people visit the wiki every day, so they may be unfairly denied a chance to participate in a vote if the vote only lasts for a day. This is the same reason wiki votes are not held on the Chat or IRC channels - not all users use or have access to those mediums, and not all users who use them are online at all times of the day. The right of all users to participate in the decision-making process cannot be sacrificed simply for the sake of convenience or urgency, unless there is a true necessity to do so.
:::::The present course is to await the results of the APTP discussion. That will help determine whether this vote will be accepted as-is, overturned fully or overturned in part, or if some other action will be pursued instead. In the meantime, I would consider the vote still open and thus this thread is not yet ready to be closed. If another administrator feels I've misinterpreted the situation or am not handling this fairly or properly, I invite them to reverse my decision. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 02:59, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
::::::May I propose another background? It's the background used for CAS [http://i.imgur.com/2j9Z3Ii.png]. When cropped, it will look like this [http://i.imgur.com/fhayI5e.png]. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 10:23, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Introducing a new background would make it necessary to invalidate the previous vote. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 01:10, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
::::::::The vote was against wiki policies anyway, so we're better off just closing the vote and going back to discussion. And should we contact [[User:JoePlay|JoePlay]] regarding the backgrounds, in the case that he knows a bit more about this? --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] | [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 01:39, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Perhaps JoePlay can help us on the background issue, but he can't help us solve the current matter. I think we should restart the vote, but have an administrator do it, and they ensure that it follows policies. I know it would make us behind schedule due to the release of The Sims 4, but policies have to be followed. There wouldn't be any point in having these specific policies if no one was going to follow them. There is no harm in having a late background implemented, I don't think anyone would mind. Besides all that, it also allows more users to have a say on the new background. [[User:Beds|<font color="#6B1D51">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 09:49, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
==Restart==
Based on the discussion above and the applicable policies, the vote above is nullified. As current rules allow only admins to start official votes, we shall return to discussion until a vote is needed, if it is.
Onto the matter at hand. We have the two backgrounds that were voted on - [[:File:Proposed_Background_1.png]] and [[:File:Proposed_Background_2.png]]. We also have Nikel's suggested image - [http://i.imgur.com/fhayI5e.png]. If we're allowing discussion, then we may as well allow new background submissions. But, to help this thread along, I'm going to impose a week time limit. Anyone can suggest a new background here at any time within the next week. At the end of the week, we'll limit any further discussion or votes to only those designs that were submitted. However, another option at our disposal is contacting JoePlay again and asking him for his help in designing a background. However, we should have a general idea of the kind of background we want, and that unfortunately hasn't developed. But, if you think we should pursue that route, we can.
So, before this timer expires, either submit a background image idea, weigh in on a current image idea, or suggest that we work with JoePlay to design a new image. Time remaining: {{Countdown|time=9:00:00 UTC 14 September 2014|zone=UTC}}.
-- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 08:36, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
:I'm going to say that all of the background suggestions are kind of a mixed bag, to be honest. The first is alright to start with, but needs tweaking so that the Sims are on the sides. The second isn't all that great; the background is taken from the ITF loading screen and I'm not even sure how I can comment on the logo at the bottom.
:Nikel's suggestion is fairly great and would be my preferred option if it was available during the emergency voting, but it's also fairly simplistic to start with. It could use some more details, but I'm not sure how to make it work so that we don't go overboard with it. [[User:EpicJoyBoy|<span style="color: #6900BF">'''EpicJoyBoy'''</span>]] [[User talk:EpicJoyBoy|<span style="color: #009CEB"><sup>''(My talk page!)''</sup></span>]] 10:07, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
::The timer has expired and no one has responded. I say we just go with the results of the emergency voting. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 20:04, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
:::Bump. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 22:03, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
::::Sticky situation we're in, aren't we? The illegal vote's results are nullified, yet still seem to be what remains of any "consensus", if there ever was one. I still stick with my decision to go with the first background, though the second one isn't too far off. I don't like Nikel's proposed background though -- it... doesn't really look obvious that it's from The Sims, almost like something from Windows Vista or Windows 7, which might make this the Microsoft 2007-2012 wiki. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] | [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 22:13, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
:::::This whole discussion is incredibly quiet and definitely not going anywhere right now, but I'd like to suggest we use the TS4 loading screen as our background image, or at least something similar to [http://simscommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Die-Sims-4_-Gameplay-Walkthrough-Trailer-0172.jpg this]. It's fairly similar to our current background, except that there is only a single plumbbob at the center and the background is all white.
:::::It's fairly simplistic, but what I'm not too certain about is readability, especially with a single large plumbbob at the center. What do you think about it? [[User:EpicJoyBoy|<span style="color: #6900BF">'''EpicJoyBoy'''</span>]] [[User talk:EpicJoyBoy|<span style="color: #009CEB"><sup>''(My talk page!)''</sup></span>]] 19:41, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
:::::It's okay. However I'd rather use the consensus from the emergency voting. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 20:25, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
::::::The background is a bit too empty and too plain. I don't really like it. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 20:38, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
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Using the results of the emergency vote would not be appropriate. First, the vote did not take place in line with the wiki's voting policies. Second, the vote did not allow a vote for the status quo. Third, even if the first two points were not true or were dismissed, the fact is the vote did not result in a consensus for any of the options; a 5-4-2 outcome means that a majority (six out of eleven) did not support the most popular option. Since this thread is now being publicized, I feel we should come to some sort of conclusion. But using the results of the emergency vote is simply not an option.
Onto the matter at hand. I have to stick with what I said in the emergency vote; in a choice between all the options proposed, my vote will go towards keeping the background we have. I have not seen any good background designs, so I think we should just keep what we have. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 23:10, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
:Maybe we could keep the same style of background that we have now, but have the plumbobs in cluster strings on the sides going vertically like how the plumbobs are arranged horizontally in the [[:File:Proposed Background 2.png]]. I could do a modification of the current background to make it look the way I am describing, but I don't think that it would look great that way. Although I could probably make something from scratch following that idea that would be somewhat similar, but better quality than a modification. -- [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 00:57, October 1, 2014 (UTC)
::Icemandeaf, I like that idea. If we don't eventually find another background, then I'm fine with keeping the current background. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 18:12, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
==Closing==
This thread has not reached any clear conclusion and has not been contributed to in over a month. That constitutes a '''dead thread''' and thus it is archived with no consensus or decision reached. The issues raised in the thread may be addressed in a new thread. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:58, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
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