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Don't think that's true. At least one of the parents has to have brown eyes or genetics for brown eyes to produce a child with brown eyes. [[Melody Tinker]]'s eyes are different from the rest of her family because she was made in [[Create a Sim]] and / or [[Body Shop]]. Until further evidence turns up, I doubt that it's true.
It's also the same with [[Albany Capp]] and [[Richard Norman|Richard]] and [[Anne Norman]]. Also when using the [[Tombstone of Life and Death]] or [[Package editor#SimPE|SimPE]], one can see that Albany was actually created before his parents, meaning that he wasn't born in-game. '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 02:58, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
== Genetics ==
According to how [[Package editor#SimPE|SimPE]] / [[The Sims 2]] works, there can only be one dominant genetic and one recessive. Looking at [[Package editor#SimPE|SimPE]], it seems that if there are four different genetics available to inherit, one will be dominant, one will be recessive and the last two will be dropped completely.
Any ideas / agreements? -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 06:12, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Grey hair==
I know 00000005-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 is the code for grey hair, but I always thought that grey hair was *not* genetic. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 02:35, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Grey hair is not genetic, but I wasn't sure what else to do with that information. I was thinking of referencing it. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 03:11, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Could always just have a little note that says that gray hair is not genetic, but that is the code for it for reference purposes. [[User:Icemandeaf|Icemandeaf]] ([[User talk:Icemandeaf|talk]]) 03:16, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, maybe I'll do that. -- '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 03:20, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
== TS2 Pet Genetics ==
<span style="font-size:13px;">So I was just browsing through my neighbourhood in SimPE (because one of my IRL personality traits is </span>''curious''<span style="font-size:13px;">), and one of the things I was checking was my sims' DNA. I noticed that my pet sims (specifically my two cats) have an allele for eye color that doesn't match any of the ones on this page. For example, Waggles has light green eyes and his dominant and recessive gene for eye color is </span>'''8de4d9a1-c401-4893-9a6c-588ab671ac0d'''<span style="font-size:13px;">, while Maria has dark green eyes and hers is </span>'''22a77e4a-1fc7-4098-b4e0-ddd29bb38ac5'''<span style="font-size:13px;">. Doing a quick Google search for any of the alleles for eye color listed on the page (eg. </span>'''32dee745-b6ce-419f-9e86-ae93802d2682'''<span style="font-size:13px;"> for brown) returns this Wiki and a bunch of pages about genetics in the game, but a Google search for any of these pet genes I discovered returns no result. Am I misunderstanding something, or does this merit an addition to the page? [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 23:49, January 27, 2016 (UTC)</span>
: <span style="font-size:13px;">Okay, so I've spent the last few hours thoroughly experimenting, and I've finally tracked down all the possible alleles for dog and cat eye colors (which are definitely different from Sim eye colors). </span><span style="font-weight:normal;">The only thing I couldn't figure out is which eye colors are dominant and which eye colors are recessive. Either way, I</span>'ll update the page itself as soon as I can track down the eye color swatches in the game's package files. [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 03:40, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
::: Okeydokey, I've expanded the page with the new phenotypes and genetic codes, complete with the official eye swtaches extracted from the game files. I also included a fact I discovered about how only the right eyes of CAS-created hetero-chromatic pets are registered in their genetic code. [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 05:39, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
==The Sims 2 Hair, Eye, and Skin Colour Thumbnails==
Where exactly can I find the thumbnails provided in the Sims 2 Phenotypes section of the page? I can't find the thumbnails. Not even with SimPE. Yet someone must have found a way to extract them to be able to upload them to the Sims wiki, other than using print screen. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:20, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
: I found the Cat and Dog eye color thumbnails in my Origin Libary\The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection\Fun with Pets\EP4\TSData\Res\UI\ui.package, so I assume the base game Sim eye colors are found in the equivalent package in your base game folder rather than Fun with Pets. If you want, I could find and extract them and upload them to Dropbox or something for you, it shouldn't be that hard since I know what to look for. [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 22:33, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
::I just wanted to know where to locate them. Because if I do that, then I'm hoping to locate something else ― that I believe will be found in the same folder ― which previously hasn't been uploaded. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:36, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
::::Coolio, actually I almost ninja'd you with a reply because I did in fact just find them in my Origin Library\The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection\Double Deluxe\Base\TSData\Res\UI\ui.package. If you open it in SimPE, go to the jpa/tga/png Image type, and sort by Instance, they'll all be grouped together. Then you can just start at the beginning and press PgDown until you hit either a hair, eye, skin, or makeup thumbnail.
::::Do you mind if I ask what it is you're looking for? Don't worry, I won't get to it first and upload it before you or anything. :P [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 22:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
:::::The Mannequin skin tone thumbnail. Although it's hidden and I've only ever seen it in debug mode. I've never seen the thumbnail uploaded online. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 22:52, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Awesome, that'd be a great addition to the wiki. If you need any more help tracking it down, let me know. :) [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 23:00, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
==Hair Genetics==
I have a family consisted mostly of brunettes and red heads. Michael (Bachelor) had medium brown hair, which he passed to his first son, Mikah. When he remarried Melanie Song, a red head, and had a daughter, Nicole, she got the red head from her mom.
Now Nicole is all grown up and has started a family of her own. She married Noah, who has dark brown hair like his mother. However, their son was born blond.
I understand that genetics can be recessive, but I am not sure where this came from. Noah's mother had dark brown hair, like he does, and his father had russet hair. They don't have any family further back than that. As for Nicole, her mother doesn't have other family, but Michael's tree links him to (as many should know) Simis, Jocasta (his parents), Bella (sister) and Simis's parents, Enriqueta and Milton.
Do we know what they looked like? Both Simis and Jocasta AND Bella had dark hair, but Oakley's great grandparents are deceased so I have no idea what their hair color is. Is the blond just a glitch, maybe?[[User:Warriors Fan01|Warriors Fan01]] ([[User talk:Warriors Fan01|talk]]) 17:46, February 22, 2016 (UTC)
: By the family tree you described I assume you're playing The Sims 3, and [[Genetics#The Sims 3|according to the article]] The Sims 3 has a 10% mutation rate which would explain the seemingly random genetics showing up in Nicole and Noah's son. [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 00:48, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
==Hair Genetics in ''The Sims 3''?==
I have a sim named Henry Moore who has brown hair. His wife, Lucy Moore, has blonde hair. In ''The Sims 3'', whenever they have a baby who does not inherit Lucy's blonde hair, they '''always '''turn out with black hair. Can anyone explain why this happens? Absolutely no one in either of their families have black hair. I know TS3 has an unusually high genetic mutation rate, but I don't think that explains why their children turn out with black hair rather than brown hair, because it literally always happens.
(By the way, the fact that I wrote the game's name in italics is not for emphasis. I am just used to writing specific things such as game titles in italics, because they are written like that on articles) [[User:Mariaw|Mariaw]] ([[User talk:Mariaw|talk]]) 01:13, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
:The mutation rate would still explain it, I think. If the mutation rate is set at 10% in your game, then I'd say that's the most likely culprit. You were just extremely fortunate to luckily have multiple babies with a mutated genome. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 01:21, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
::I suppose that most likely the reason; plus, I do not have any mods for the game that lower the mutation rate (or any mods at all, for that matter). My only other guess was the root hair colour being darker than the base colour, but it's not dark enough to be considered black, and the children in question did indeed have completely black hair. I wish the game used the mutation rate for their eye colours instead, lol [[User:Mariaw|Mariaw]] ([[User talk:Mariaw|talk]]) 01:33, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
:::Chances are, there will be a higher chance that the baby will have blond hair. You see, genetics itself is basically all the data of the Sim, including their hair color, and the colors are sorted to be dominant or recessive. Both the mother and father have recessive, but still, the baby will have a higher chance of being blonde. <span style="color:navy;">IsaiahScribblenauts</span> - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts Disscuss] - [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:IsaiahScribblenauts My Fanon] 01:42, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
==Sims 4 Eye Colours==
According to the article, in The Sims 4, "Eye color usually comes out as one of the parents, but it can also come out as anything in between the parents' own eye colors."
Through very extensive testing, I can prove this is entirely incorrect. What really happens is that the eye colours added in Patch 5 (Dark blue, dark blue-hazel, grey-brown hazel, olive green-hazel, and purple) have the same flag values set as already existing eye colours.
For example, if one parent has dark blue eyes and one parent has dark brown eyes, their child may turn out with grey eyes even if no one in their families have grey eyes; this is because dark blue and grey eyes share the same EyeColor flag; as such, the game cannot destinguish the two eye colours from each other, and if the child recieve the grey-eyed parent's eye colour, they have a 50/50 chance of having grey or dark blue eyes. Likewise with red (amber) and purple eyes, grey-brown hazel and light brown, olive green-hazel and pale green (light green), as well as dark blue-hazel and light green ('hazel blue' according to the files. I really don't see it, though.)
If anyone could figure out how to insert this information into the page profesionally (I don't think I am much good at making big edits), that would be great! [[User:Mariaw|Mariaw]] ([[User talk:Mariaw|talk]]) 23:19, August 2, 2018 (UTC)
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