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==Deletion of Sapphire Moondust's fanon==
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::::{{userlinks|Yuyuyuyuyuy}} Blocked as another sock. Notably they also vandalized the [http://sims.answers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yuyuyuyuyuy Answers Wiki]. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 03:26, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
Blocked {{userlinks|The simmer 1000}} as a sock. Please contact me privately over [[TSW:IRC|IRC]] for a more thorough explanation. Thanks, —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 18:28, April 11, 2017 (UTC)
:Blocked {{userlinks|The gamer 1000000}} as a sock. Again, please contact me privately for a more thorough explanation. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 00:54, May 1, 2017 (UTC)
==Administrator participation==
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==User:Unblock1==
{{Closed|closed|No resolution needed - user has been globally blocked}}
{{Userlinks|Unblock 1}} has been blocked. The block reason states that Unblock 1 is a sockpuppet of [[User:Thesims2pets]]. I don't want to call k6ka's judgment into question, but I was wondering if he'd be able to elaborate a little bit on the evidence that caused him to come to this conclusion. It should be noted that Unblock 1 has requested an unblock, so this is a somewhat time-sensitive issue. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 20:00, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
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:It should also be noted that the user has now been globally blocked. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 23:06, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
::Given that the user is globally blocked, this block is a moot point. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 21:02, April 2, 2017 (UTC)
==[[User:Ansett4Sims|Ansett4Sims]] and [[User:RomerJon17|RomerJon17]]==
These two accounts are apparently both owned by the same user, and they have both received messages on previous occasions asking them to stick to only one account. While the user who owns the accounts does not appear to be acting in bad faith, they have not directly responded to the messages that they have been given, although they did log in to their other account to edit their user-page after I undid their latest edit to the user-page owned by their other account. I'm not quite sure what the best thing would be to do in this situation as I don't recall ever being involved in a situation regarding two accounts being owned by one user that isn't acting in bad faith. Which is why I brought the issue here. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 12:09, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
:It may be worth talking to them again about their use of multiple accounts, but they definitely aren't abusing them. Thing is, though, we still have [[Forum:Multiple account policy]] that's still open and awaiting further input; I think having that policy set up will help us to act more reasonably in circumstances like this. The use of multiple accounts for illegitimate reasons is not at all unfamiliar to us, I'm sure, but not the good faith (or at least, non-bad faith) use of them. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 13:52, May 26, 2017 (UTC)
==Unblock request on [[User talk:يمارس الجنس مع الشواذ ]]==
I encourage administrators to review their [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%B3+%D9%85%D8%B9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B0 edit filter log] before making a decision. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 18:08, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
:To be honest, I think they shouldn't be unblocked. The edits they tried to make after they tried to make portable info-boxes that triggered the abuse filter shows me that they aren't willing to build the Sims wiki. It seems clear to be that they aren't being truthful when they say that they are trying to convert info-boxes to be portable. It seems like a load of nonsense to me, since they shouldn't be doing questionable things if they're trying to be helpful by trying to convert non-portable info-boxes. And that they need to stop doing things that trigger the abuse filter if they want other users to trust them. I '''strongly oppose''' this user getting unblocked, and that they should wait their block out if they want to be given a chance to improve. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 22:21, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
==[[User:Amazon Fire TV Stick]]==
Hello friends. I wish my first action on this wiki in more than a year could have been on a more positive note, but I'm afraid it is not. As I am sure all administrators will be aware the moment they next log on, this user has issued a threat—entitled "Things Are About To Change Around Here" (''sic'')—to all admins, claiming that they are a member of Fandom Staff (they are not—I checked the Community Staff page just to make sure). They also created [[User_blog:Amazon_Fire_TV_Stick/ALL_Administrators_Are_On_Notice|this blog post]]. Based on the language this user has used, they may be a sock attempting to take revenge on the administrative team, but I can't be sure, since I've been gone for quite some time.
Anyway, since I appeared to be the only admin active at this hour, I immediately moved to block this user, to prevent them from inflicting any lasting damage on the wiki or its community. Do with that what you will, I suppose. — '''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">THE TIM TAM</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">IS MY</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">SPIRIT ANIMAL</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • [[w:c:mapgame:User:WikiBuilder1147|MGW]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 14:43, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
:Welcome back, Tim. Sorry to hear that your first admin action on the wiki in a long while was to deal with this long-time sockpuppet. I have [[m:Help:Reverting#Bot_rollback|bot rollbacked]] their edits. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 16:10, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah, I would have responded to the issue, had I been awake at the time. Looks like they were able to do quite a bit which can only mean that it was some time before any administrator was around to deal with the issue. It's a long time sock-puppet of a long time troll user that's been causing a lot of trouble over the last couple of years. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 20:43, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
==Lock blocked user talk pages?==
It seems as though our perennial friend has taken to posting on the talk pages of users that have been indefinitely blocked from editing The Sims Wiki. C.Syde has protected a few of these talk pages from further editing, and it seems like it's probably a good idea to just protect them all, to close off that particular avenue of annoyance. I'd propose that we only add protection (in this case, full protection) to talk pages of users that are indef blocked and have no right to appeal the block, with a particular focus on locking the talk pages of particularly notorious users first. I'm generally not in favor of excessive page protection or in prophylactic protection, but in this case I think the harm that could be done in protecting these pages is nonexistent - there's simply no reason why a non-admin would ever need to edit the page of a permanently blocked user, especially in such cases where the user him/herself isn't allowed to edit his/her own talk page.
Thoughts? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:32, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
'''Addition:''' As an afterthought, it might also be useful to extend semi-protection to indefinitely-blocked or long-term blocked user talk pages as well. It stands to reason that if we limit his ability to edit permablocked talk pages, he'll simply move onto posting on the pages of those users who can still appeal blocks. In these cases, I'd advocate for a semi-protection, so that way the blocked user can still request unblock as long as they retain talk page editing privileges. Thoughts on this as well? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:36, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
:Sounds good. I could have protected all the ones that were being modified by non-admins, but I just wasn't entirely sure how uncontroversial it would be. I knew it would be justified to protect the ones of the indefinitely blocked users with globally disabled accounts since they wouldn't be able to request an unblock anyway, which is why I protected the talk pages of those particular users, since as far as I could see, there was no reason why a non-admin should be editing them, especially not if they're trolling. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 23:38, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
::I support indefinitely fully protecting the user talk pages of users if:
::#The user is indefinitely blocked with no talk page access, and is a sockpuppet account (Through which any appeals must be made through the main account); OR
::#The user's account has been globally disabled (Not globally blocked) for over 30 days (After that point, disabled accounts cannot be recovered). The talk page should be replaced with a message stating that the account has been disabled and that all previous messages can be found in the page history (If the user had an archive system in place, all the messages on the talk page should be archived in that fashion) (We should probably create a template for this purpose).
::Other people's talk pages can be semi-protected, either upon request or at an admin's discretion, but I would not recommend indefinitely protecting them, since that also locks out legitimate IP users from being able to contact the user. During the time such a talk page is protected, users affected by the protection should be encouraged to contact the user via alternative means, such as on Community Central (In my case I let users email me as well).
::Also, I don't think it should be a requirement to protect the talk pages of indefinitely blocked or globally disabled accounts; admins should choose to protect (or not to protect) such pages at their (hopefully wise) discretion. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 00:22, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
==LostInRiverview alt accounts==
Yesterday I created a deliberate sockpuppet account at [[User:LostInRiverview3]]. My initial plan was to create multiple accounts, to reserve those names so that no one else could create accounts to imitate me. After creating the first one though, I realized that this was probably an incorrect course of action, but the cat was already out of the bag. Today, our old friend created "LostInRiverview 4" and attempted to imitate me. I want to post here and state clearly that ''I will not create any more alternate accounts at any time. Any accounts created on The Sims Wiki that appear to be me are '''not me'''''. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 18:37, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
:Yeah. Thanks for the heads up. Even though it already seemed clear which of these two accounts was the real impostor, partly because the first account didn't show any signs of trolling, whereas the second account did. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 21:07, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
::I also logged into this account immediately after creating the alt account and [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:LostInRiverview3?action=history edited the alt account userpage] to confirm that it was attached to me. I also blocked the alt account indefinitely as per the wiki's "one person, one active account" policy. But I think it hindsight it was a mistake to even create the alt in the first place. I wouldn't encourage others to take a similar approach to solving the problem. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 21:13, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
:::Yeah, neither would I to be honest. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 21:15, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
==Mass-rollbacking disruptive edits==
Recently we've had a rash of mass disruptive edits being made by a well known long term abuser (LTA). While the most we can do at the moment is to revert and block, the edits—both by the LTA and the reverter—flood recent changes dramatically, making it difficult to use.
To resolve this problem, I would like to introduce to administrators who may not be aware of this trick already a feature in MediaWiki that allows administrators to hide mass disruptive edits from recent changes.
To do this with any additional accounts created by the LTA (And with potential future ones):
# Open the contributions page for the user you wish to revert edits by.
# Add <code>?bot=1</code> to the end of the URL (e.g. http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Example?bot=1. If the URL already has a question mark in it, or if it has <code>index.php</code> in it, use <code>&bot=1</code>: http://sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Example&bot=1). Hit Enter.
Now all of the rollback links on the page should have <code>&bot=1</code> suffixed on them. When you click on them (If there are lots of edits, you can open them in a new tab), the edit you make will be marked as a bot edit on the recent changes table and will thus be hidden by default (Unless you click on the "Show bot edits" option in recent changes). Additionally, the software will give the edit of the user you reverted the bot edit flag as well, so both edits will be hidden from recent changes by default. This does not hide the edit from user contributions pages or from the page history (The bot edit flag property is only used by recent changes and watchlists), and the edit is not removed from the database.<br />
You'd want to use this trick when reverting a malicious user's clearly bad faith edits, especially if they had made a large quantity of such edits. Use this sparingly: don't use it for most cases of run-of-the-mill vandalism or for edits you merely disagree with. Subject to the standard [[The_Sims_Wiki:Rollback#When_can_rollback_be_used.3F|restrictions on rollback]].
Additionally, if you use a tool like [[w:c:dev:WHAM|WHAM]] to mass rollback edits, it is compatible with this trick; just add <code>?bot=1</code>/<code>&bot=1</code> to the URL before you click on the links in WHAM. By the way, this doesn't affect any edits you do not revert using rollback, and it won't affect log entries.
;Further reading
* [[Help:Reverting#Can_I_hide_flood_vandalism_reverts_from_recent_changes.3F|Help:Reverting § Can I hide flood vandalism reverts from recent changes?]]
* [[mw:Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#cite_note-rollback-4|Manual:Parameters to index.php § Cite Note Rollback 4]]
* [[m:Help:Reverting#Bot_rollback|Help:Reverting § Bot rollback]]
—[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 00:12, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
:I'm very familiar with the existence of this trick, however I've never actually used it myself, since I don't believe I've ever been in a situation where it was necessary to do so, and in any case, I've never been fully confident that I understood or knew exactly how to do it. I guess it's something I should play around with on a wiki or test page that no one cares what I do on / with it. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 02:09, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
==Site-wide message for Volunteer Curators==
[[User:Sannse|Sannse]] recently [[Special:Diff/784227/784354|posted]] on my talk page asking if a site-wide message could be created bringing attention to [[User_blog:Sannse/Seeking Volunteer Curators|this blog post]] about Volunteer Curators. The blog post and its content do not affect The Sims Wiki or its content; it's more of something on Wikia/Fandom's end.
As this isn't a decision for one administrator to make, I'm posting it here to query other administrators for opinions and consensus. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 23:37, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
:My overall reaction is ''meh''. On the one hand, FANDikia is free to do whatever they want with the Fandom blog platform, and if anyone on TSW wants to participate, I encourage them to do so and I wish them luck. But on the other hand, the amount of FANDOM spam I've been bombarded with, especially messages about things I couldn't care less about, especially messages about different game/movie/TV franchises whose wikis I've never visited, let alone edited... has really turned me off to the whole idea of their advertisements. And now they want us to do the dirty work for them? o_O
:So yeah, I don't have a problem with the Fandom blog thing, but I don't think we need to do any sort of advertisement here to assist them. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 23:48, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
::I think I'd say the same to be honest. I don't really care much for the FANDOM side of things, since I didn't sign up for that. I'm not really bothered by it either. I just ignore the FANDOM side of things, in favour of the Wikia side, because as far as I'm concerned, it's still the same network that I joined back in December 2013, which I browsed since late 2008. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 12:12, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
=="Editing What Links Here is better than redirects"?==
{{Closed|res}}
Since 2010, admins who attempt to [[Help:Rename|move a page]] are told on the "Leave a redirect behind" option that "Editing What Links Here is better than using redirects". The system message that governs the text displayed here is located at [[MediaWiki:Move-leave-redirect]].
I want to call this principle into question. Why would leaving redirects be worse than having to go through "What Links Here" and change all of the links to point to the new title? Non-admins don't have this option, and quite a good number of [[Special:Log/move|page moves]] are done by non-admins, so a redirect winds up being left behind. In most cases, the redirect does no harm and is still being linked to in many places around the wiki, and the redirect title is not implausible to the point that it would be considered for deletion. Secondly, if other sites have pointed to the old title, moving a page and deleting the redirect will cause those third-party links to the wiki to break. Thirdly, there's no real reason to having to "fix" links to redirects if they are not broken, as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Redirect#Do_not_"fix"_links_to_redirects_that_are_not_broken|Wikipedia:Redirect § Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken]] says.
I propose either changing the text at [[MediaWiki:Move-leave-redirect]] or deleting it entirely. Changing the text requires that a ticket be sent to Staff via [[Special:Contact]]. Deleting it will restore the default MediaWiki system message text (which is just "Leave a redirect behind"). I'm leaning towards just deleting the page outright, since I simply can't see why it is "better" to expend the effort to change links to the new title when that's what redirects are for. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 16:38, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
:I'd support just deleting it outright and going with the default language. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 19:37, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and just deleted it boldly. It will now show the default MediaWiki message. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 22:07, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
==Unregistered user edit warring and insertion of generic bio==
I'm sure by now all the active admins (as well as the content mods) have noticed a repeated string of edits from [[Special:Contributions/173.11.146.98|an unregistered user]] that goes against established community consensus regarding the insertion of generic bios (i.e. "Hi! My name is <name>!") on articles. This person has on multiple occasions resorted to edit warring in order to keep the generic bios present. Several users have warned this person to cease edit warring, but it has continued. Blocks have been issued, but on now two occasions, the user has [[Special:Contributions/73.255.12.204|edited from a different IP address to evade the block]]. After these blocks have expired, the person has returned to inserting the generic bios and has continued to engage in edit warring (or behavior that is borderline edit warring behavior). All attempts to contact this person appear to have been unsuccessful.
I want to open this issue up to the broader admin team in order to ensure that we are all on the same page regarding how we wish to proceed. I have taken the action of blocking the second IP address which was evading the block placed on the first. I have also reset the block timer on the first IP address block; both blocks are set to expire in one week. I would be comfortable with extending the blocks further for both IP addresses given the apparent willful intent to evade the first block. I would also like to hear what others have to say regarding how we wish to proceed, assuming this person returns and resumes their previous behavior.
My gut says that they are acting in good faith but are unaware that they are violating policy in conducing their actions. Couple this with the fact that they have made other good edits to the wiki, and that leads me to say that I would be hesitant to issue a longer-term block against them if it could be avoided. While the addition of the generic bios (and refusal to acknowledge precedent or to cease edit warring) is concerning and ultimately not acceptable, the user seems to be quite prolific in their desire to make improvements. That said, edit warring is a violation of official policy and it would be improper to simply ignore that behavior.
One final note: on the Discord server, I suggested to [[User:k6ka|k6ka]] that we (meaning he) might implement an [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filter]] to catch additional insertions of the generic bio on articles in the main namespace. I would be curious to see k6's, and everyone else's, response to that idea. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 05:38, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
:I believe abuse filter is an ideal solution because that way, it can prevent further edit warring while allowing the user to continue their good-faith contribution. This may allow us to avoid repeated banning, which would be unnecessary if abuse filter can prevent the edit in the first place. Let's assume it wouldn't cause further disruptive behavior from the user. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] 06:17, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
::Well I wouldn't have thought of setting up the abuse filter to prevent further attempts to insert the generic biographies to articles. I guess because I was too busy waiting to see whether they'd ever stop trying to add the generic biographies, and then block them if they kept trying to add them.
::But I wouldn't be opposed to setting up a filter to catch any further attempts to add the generic biographies, or to edit war on specific pages. But then I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to the idea of warning them not to keep trying to do the things that the abuse filter would prevent them from doing either. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 06:33, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
:::My reasoning for the abuse filter is that the warnings and the blocks don't seem to be a deterrent to adding the biographies, as if the person either doesn't know they have a talk page or simply doesn't understand what we're asking of them. Implementing an abuse filter to stop the generic bio seems to be a good solution for stopping the problem edits in the first place, before the person can resort to warring. I will say as well, my issue isn't necessarily with the fact that they are adding the generic bio, but that they are edit warring. I have a vague recollection that the community at some point made the conscious decision not to include generic bios, but I do not have definite proof that the topic was ever discussed. So, I don't think the addition of generic bios is valid grounds to block them (barring some proof of community consensus)... but edit warring ''is'' a blockable action, as is block evasion; those are the grounds on which I support blocking this user. Of course, if the community never actually agreed to not use/to remove generic bios, then it would also be improper to set up an abuse filter to stop their inclusion.
:::So, to clarify my position a bit: if it can be demonstrated that the community has established a precedent of not including generic biographies, then I would propose implementing an abuse filter to catch the generic bio, and would support additional blocks if this user continues to add them in defiance of consensus. But, if the community has not established that standard, then I think a community discussion and consensus would be necessary before taking action against this user for the addition of said generic bios, or before implementing an abuse filter to stop it. All that notwithstanding, edit warring and block evasion are still blockable offenses. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 06:52, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't actually recall there ever being a discussion regarding not including generic biographies into Sim articles. All I remember was that in very late 2013 or very early 2014, removing the generic biographies became a practice, and not seeing anything wrong with the practice myself, I stuck to that practice as well.
::::I definitely would be opposed to the practice being undone though, considering that the said Sims don't have those generic biographies in the game. So they technically shouldn't have them in the articles either. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 09:37, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
:::::New consensus was thus formed by new practice. No discussion is required for a new consensus to be established; if everyone else follows suit, it can be assumed that the consensus was changed. Anyways, I've set up [[Special:AbuseFilter/47|filter 47]] to catch these kinds of edits. Testing showed that it catches the edits I want it to catch. I've set it to warn only for now (since the outdated version of the extension Wikia uses doesn't allow for a custom disallow message) in the hopes that this will get the message across. If they keep adding it (and the [[Special:AbuseLog|filter log]] will tell), then I'll tighten the settings. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 11:57, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
::::::This is only tangentially related, but we ought to devise some way of tracking ideas that have received either formal consensus or have been adopted into widespread practice. The reason I bring this up is because it is difficult to enforce a particular rule if there is no way to demonstrate definitively that a rule exists. There might also be disagreement about whether a consensus or standard truly exists if said standard isn't "officially" adopted by way of a community discussion. I don't disagree with the fact that some practices are standard enough to enforce despite having no formal discussion to implement them, but it would be useful (especially for new editors who will likely be unfamiliar with our practices) to have these standards written down somewhere. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 22:35, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
==Editing restriction on [[User:DrakonoSkerdikas|DrakonoSkerdikas]]==
Administrators who have been monitoring the ''#administrative_chat'' channel on [[Project:Discord|Discord]] may know about this already, but I will explain for those who don't use Discord.
{{Userlinks|DrakonoSkerdikas}} has been editing since 2014. Their activity has increased over the past year and they've had a bit of a history, including [//sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=Fun&action=history&year=2019&month=3&tagfilter= counterproductive edit warring] and [//sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DrakonoSkerdikas&oldid=887435#Use_the_preview_button failing to use the preview button in order to check over their own work]. They've also been extremely unresponsive and unwilling to act on or even notice messages left on their talk page, as evidenced [//sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DrakonoSkerdikas&oldid=887435#RE:_Revision here] where their edit duplicated an entire article, and despite the fact that I left them a message on their talk page, they somehow insisted I [[Special:Diff/875307|didn't leave them a response]]. [[Special:Contributions/74.198.131.130|74.198.131.130]] has gotten into quite a bit of dust with them, and I think the bulk of it (given my own frustrations with Drakono) comes down to the overall low quality of work in their edits, which may in turn be explained by their lack of patience and rational judgement in their actions (as evidenced by a frivolous [[Special:Diff/882130|page move]] done without consensus or without heed to [[The Sims Wiki:Spoilers|standard practice]], as well as forum threads making irrational proposals such as [[Forum:*Says something unpopular and controversial:*|shutting down fanon creation because "I don't think I can word out my reason properly"]]). Many of their edits are riddled with typos (such as [[Special:Diff/884432|this]] and [[Special:Diff/885276|this]]), and are often filled with difficult-to-understand sentences that make it a pain for copyeditors trying to figure out what he is trying to say. They've also been known to have a bit of an odd attitude, such as [[Special:Diff/861702|this threatening message]] (combined with the edit war mentioned above, shows that they are poor with conflict resolution) or just [[Special:Diff/876948|wasting people's time]]. They have also been banned indefinitely from the Discord server for having an intolerable attitude towards other users and to the moderation team, having also been kicked previously for linking to NSFW material.
I recently left the user a [//sims.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DrakonoSkerdikas&oldid=887435#Issues_with_your_grammar message] informing them of their low quality edits and advising them to ask for help, and telling them that some users have suggested that they draft their edits in their user sandbox and having other people review them before they are published, due to the exceedingly low quality of edits they are making. I provided them a long list of screenshots showing them just some of the glaring issues in their edits ([https://i.imgur.com/xxwiTcO.png] [https://i.imgur.com/ZkbppXp.png] [https://i.imgur.com/F5SwC8k.png] [https://i.imgur.com/Cwjh05r.png] [https://i.imgur.com/tZ8c8EH.png] [https://i.imgur.com/sRFuhKc.png] [https://i.imgur.com/zqfTrwS.png] [https://i.imgur.com/A7fScpV.png] [https://i.imgur.com/OEyeTyx.png]). They responded with [https://i.imgur.com/p4hbihF.png this], as well as [[Special:Diff/887434|this]]. They clearly have seen my message and the errors I've pointed out in their edits, yet they still managed to make [[Special:Diff/887665|this]] edit on [[Telephone]], with the glaring errors highlighted [https://i.imgur.com/LR1jUcq.png here]. At this point, I started writing this thread, because it's become clear that they are simply not listening. I can't imagine why it would be necessary to have to clean up after someone who's been here for ''five'' years.
Drakono is, I believe, a good faith editor as they have made constructive edits in the past. Good faith, however, doesn't excuse their failing to heed to advice. Since they do not seem interested in drafting their edits beforehand, it is starting to become necessary to impose an [[TSW:ER|editing restriction]] on them in order to ''require'' them to draft their edits and have them reviewed. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] has suggested requiring them to draft and explain their changes on talk pages before they can be published. We do not have a formal edit request system the same way [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Edit requests|Wikipedia]] does, but we can adopt this approach. In this system, Drakono would be:
* prohibited from making edits on his own to articles (unless those changes are obviously uncontroversial and wouldn't require checking, such as reversion of vandalism)
* required to either 1) draft his changes and propose them on the talk page for review; or 2) explain his changes on the talk page in a "please change X to Y" format
I understand English is not their first language, but that still doesn't excuse the recurring pattern of problematic edits despite numerous messages. They have also not reached out to ask for grammar assistance, which strikes me as odd given how they are clearly ''aware'' their edits are of low quality. To quote him: <span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: #008560;">I do know my edits have been causing trouble because right after editing I think to myself my edits end up looking like garbage.</span> I'm not in the mood to be editing with an editor that ''knows'' their edits are problematic but ''doesn't'' fix them himself and ''expects'' others to clean up after them, rather than fixing their mistakes and improving so that others ''don't'' have to be cleaning up after them. But if this is the attitude Drakono is adopting, then the two options I can think of right now are: 1) block them so they can't edit; or 2) have their edits be reviewed first so that at least their low quality edits aren't presented to readers. Option one is a bit nuclear and should probably only be used if option two doesn't work out, or if Drakono breaches the ER (as is standard practice for violating an ER).
Thoughts? —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 00:15, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
:''*Sigh*'' I know I was the one that suggested this idea, but I was really hoping that we wouldn't have to resort to actually doing it. I think that, as a whole, we try to be accommodating to users who are new and inexperienced, users who may not be totally fluent in English, and users who don't fully understand the way our wiki works. We offer help and guidance for those who are willing to put the effort into improving their edits. The big problem with Drakono isn't that his edits are often/usually of poor quality, but the fact that ''he's aware of it, persists in making them anyways, and seems resistant to improvement.'' There can be quite a lot of leeway given to well-intentioned users who just don't "get it" at first, but we have given Drakono '''a lot''' of leeway and he still is either unwilling or unable to meet the general standards that we'd expect long-time editors to meet. I really dislike that we have to resort to imposing an edit restriction in order to address this problem; I feel that this may have the unintended effect of pushing Drakono off the project, which is something I would like to avoid if at all possible. But, I think there's a limit to how much screwing-up we can tolerate before we say "enough." So, all that said, I must reluctantly '''support''' the imposition of editing restrictions. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 01:48, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
::I haven't had much time to weigh in on things recently, since I've been busy with some of my personal projects recently. But I've obviously seen the topic brought up in ''#administrative_chat'' and therefore I knew that an editing restriction proposal was on the way.
::I personally would agree that placing an editing restriction on Drakono would be the best way to go, to see if it has any effect on their behaviour. If not, then we can take any appropriate actions from there.
::In case my response is lacking in sufficient detail, it's because I don't have any issues with the current proposal, and therefore I haven't really got anything new to add. ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 02:04, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
:::Given what I've seen so far of Drakono's behaviour, I believe it's gotten to a level where an editing restriction is necessary. Like k6 said above, we have given them ''many'' chances to improve themselves, and they have ignored or perhaps even stubbornly refused to heed advice. They have frankly exhausted any goodwill I may have felt for them, and I haven't even been directly involved with this incident. I therefore '''support''' the imposition of an editing restriction on this user. — '''[[User:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">THE TIM TAM</font>]] [[User_talk:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">IS MY</font>]] [[User blog:WikiBuilder1147|<font color="blue">SPIRIT ANIMAL</font>]]''' <sup>([[w:c:sims:User:WikiBuilder1147|TSW]] • [[w:c:althistory:User:WikiBuilder1147|AH]] • [[w:c:mapgame:User:WikiBuilder1147|MGW]] • '''[[Special:Contributions/WikiBuilder1147|<font color="#006400">Contribs</font>]])'''</sup> 01:11, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
===Enactment===
The ER is now [https://sims.fandom.com/index.php?title=The_Sims_Wiki:Editing_restrictions&diff=prev&oldid=892605 in effect] and the user has [https://sims.fandom.com/index.php?title=User_talk:DrakonoSkerdikas&diff=prev&oldid=892608 been notified]. Appeal can be made on the [[TSW:AN|admins' noticeboard]]. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 22:15, September 6, 2019 (UTC)
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