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::::::There isn't a deadline - you can take as much time as you need with converting the infoboxes. The sooner you manage to do it, the sooner the visitors and potential new contributors will see the benefits if they come from mobile, of course!
::::::There isn't a deadline - you can take as much time as you need with converting the infoboxes. The sooner you manage to do it, the sooner the visitors and potential new contributors will see the benefits if they come from mobile, of course!


::::::I apologize for not posting this in the Development Portal in the first place - I'll be sure to come straight here if there's anything else I need to talk to you about! [[User:Mira_Laime|Mira_Laime]] <staff /> <small>([[w:c:community:Special:Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 17:04, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
::::::I apologize for not posting this in the Development Portal in the first place - I'll be sure to come straight here if there's anything else I need to talk to you about! [[User:Mira_Laime|Mira_Laime]] <staff /> <small>([[w:c:community:Special:Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 17:04, July 24, 2015 (UTC)


{{od|::::::}}I've experimented with the infobox for our {{T|Neighborhood}} template. Check this out: [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nikel23/Sandbox2?oldid=683559]. The color hasn't been implemented yet. I'm pretty sure it can be on the 2nd priority at the moment. Most importantly, how does the sandbox look now?
{{od|::::::}}I've experimented with the infobox for our {{T|Neighborhood}} template. Check this out: [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nikel23/Sandbox2?oldid=683559]. The color hasn't been implemented yet. I'm pretty sure it can be on the 2nd priority at the moment. Most importantly, how does the sandbox look now?
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::It's all I can say at the moment. Maybe I spent too much time with it and need to freshen up for now... and figure out a workaround later. Who knows? Also, I value your opinion, LiR. I just wanted to make an impression of how the infobox might look like in TSW. If the majority dislikes the infobox after all, we can discard the idea before we make further progress. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:50, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
::It's all I can say at the moment. Maybe I spent too much time with it and need to freshen up for now... and figure out a workaround later. Who knows? Also, I value your opinion, LiR. I just wanted to make an impression of how the infobox might look like in TSW. If the majority dislikes the infobox after all, we can discard the idea before we make further progress. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:50, July 30, 2015 (UTC)


:::Thanks for all the effort you've already put into the conversion! Maybe I can at least clear some things up as far as the infobox's look goes: Once converted, the new infoboxes should look pretty much the same on desktop as they did before the conversion. Before, CSS and other styling info was included in the template to make the infoboxes look the way they did on desktop. Unfortunately, the tool can't convert and move the CSS for you, that has to be done manually. Otherwise, yes, the new infobox will look very plain on desktop.
:::Thanks for all the effort you've already put into the conversion! Maybe I can at least clear some things up as far as the infobox's look goes: Once converted, the new infoboxes should look pretty much the same on desktop as they did before the conversion. Before, CSS and other styling info was included in the template to make the infoboxes look the way they did on desktop. Unfortunately, the tool can't convert and move the CSS for you, that has to be done manually. Otherwise, yes, the new infobox will look very plain on desktop.


:::All the CSS information is ignored on mobile, where only the content of the infobox is displayed. The downside of the old infoboxes with their in-template CSS was that sometimes, content was accidentally misinterpreted as styling info - and left out, or garbled into a mess. The new infoboxes shouldn't contain any styling information. Instead, once you've used the conversion tool, any CSS should be added to [[Special:CSS]]. You can tweak this so that the new infobox looks just the same as the old on desktop. Your desktop visitors will hardly see the difference, and definitely not have a worse experience than before!
:::All the CSS information is ignored on mobile, where only the content of the infobox is displayed. The downside of the old infoboxes with their in-template CSS was that sometimes, content was accidentally misinterpreted as styling info - and left out, or garbled into a mess. The new infoboxes shouldn't contain any styling information. Instead, once you've used the conversion tool, any CSS should be added to [[Special:CSS]]. You can tweak this so that the new infobox looks just the same as the old on desktop. Your desktop visitors will hardly see the difference, and definitely not have a worse experience than before!
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While working on a new template, I stumbled upon an inconsistency in how TSW names game icon files. Specifically, we use the full game name in the names of icons for The Sims and The Sims 2, as in [[:File:The Sims 2 Apartment Life Icon.png]], whereas we use the abbreviated game name for icon file names from The Sims 3 and The Sims 4, as in [[:File:TS3G Icon.png]] (TS3 Generations) and [[:File:TS4GTW Icon.png]] (TS4 Get Together).
While working on a new template, I stumbled upon an inconsistency in how TSW names game icon files. Specifically, we use the full game name in the names of icons for The Sims and The Sims 2, as in [[:File:The Sims 2 Apartment Life Icon.png]], whereas we use the abbreviated game name for icon file names from The Sims 3 and The Sims 4, as in [[:File:TS3G Icon.png]] (TS3 Generations) and [[:File:TS4GTW Icon.png]] (TS4 Get Together).


One option to resolve this is to set up a ton of redirect pages so that the correct image will be pulled up no matter whether the full name or abbreviated name is used. While this would function, it causes some problems from a maintenance standpoint. I'd argue that the better solution, albeit one that would involve some additional work, would be to move all the files to a consistent name, either as the full name or as an abbreviated name for all games and packs.
One option to resolve this is to set up a ton of redirect pages so that the correct image will be pulled up no matter whether the full name or abbreviated name is used. While this would function, it causes some problems from a maintenance standpoint. I'd argue that the better solution, albeit one that would involve some additional work, would be to move all the files to a consistent name, either as the full name or as an abbreviated name for all games and packs.


Additionally, I haven't done any in-depth digging into this outside of game icons, but I fear this inconsistency may stretch to game logo file names as well.
Additionally, I haven't done any in-depth digging into this outside of game icons, but I fear this inconsistency may stretch to game logo file names as well.


Should we do something about this? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 22:47, August 17, 2015 (UTC)
Should we do something about this? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 22:47, August 17, 2015 (UTC)
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This template is still new so it may have some bugs, but otherwise it should be safe to use in articles. Refer to [[Wikipedia:Help:IPA for English]] for more about these IPA characters. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 00:32, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
This template is still new so it may have some bugs, but otherwise it should be safe to use in articles. Refer to [[Wikipedia:Help:IPA for English]] for more about these IPA characters. --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 00:32, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
:I like it. The only thing I'd say is that we probably shouldn't use it unless it's needed. For instance, pronouncing a name like 'Mortimer Goth' isn't as difficult as, say, '[[Derek Vijayakar]]'. Using the template on an easy-to-pronounce name seems unnecessary, as we can in general assume that most readers on the wiki will have at least a general grasp of the English language (otherwise, they'd be using a different language wiki). - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:48, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
:I like it. The only thing I'd say is that we probably shouldn't use it unless it's needed. For instance, pronouncing a name like 'Mortimer Goth' isn't as difficult as, say, '[[Derek Vijayakar]]'. Using the template on an easy-to-pronounce name seems unnecessary, as we can in general assume that most readers on the wiki will have at least a general grasp of the English language (otherwise, they'd be using a different language wiki). - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 04:48, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, names like "Mortimer Goth" are basically pronounced more or less how they're spelt. So I'd agree that these templates shouldn't really be used unless they're needed. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 04:56, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
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