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{{Closed|resolved|Community has indicated support for changes to the Rollback request process. '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 18:56, January 2, 2016 (UTC)}}
As a bureaucrat on The Sims Wiki, I and the other bureaucrats are sometimes expected to weigh in on the possibility of promoting new [[The Sims Wiki:Rollback|rollbackers]] through the [[TSW:RFR|RFR]] process. The RfR process gives the bureaucrats a large degree of discretion when deciding whether users are or are not qualified to take on rollback rights. The assent or refusal of a single bureaucrat can decide whether a user will ultimately be promoted. Rollbackers on The Sims Wiki are given access not only to the rollback tool &ndash; which is itself a powerful tool for fighting vandalism &ndash; but are also the only non-administrators allowed to use the [[Template:Warning|warning template]], and are the only users eligible to be nominated for [[TSW:RFA|administrator rights]]. It seems to me that allowing a single bureaucrat to control who is or is not allowed to access these rights and privileges may ultimately be misguided. However, at the same time, I do not feel that RfRs need to become fully drawn-out community discussions, as RfAs and RfBs are. Some kind of balance needs to be struck, I feel.
 
To this end, I would like to propose some changes to how the RfR process is handled on The Sims Wiki. My proposed changes would implement the requirement of ''two-administrator concurrence,'' a minimum ''waiting period'', and an open ''call for dissent''. I will outline each of these points below.
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Currently, a single bureaucrat can promote a rollback nominee, without the requirement to consult with other bureaucrats, admins, or community members. Bureaucrats can also deny nominations without seeking input. The argument in favor of this power is that bureaucrats, being long-established and experienced members of the wiki, are the most able to judge which users are or are not ready to and capable of exercising the rights and responsibilities given to rollbackers. I feel that administrative and bureaucratic input is still invaluable in determining whether a nominee/applicant should be promoted, but we should not rely on the analysis of a single person. I would like for us to adopt a standard of two-administrator concurrence.
 
After a request is made or a nomination is accepted by the nominee, a member of the administrative team will need to '''support''' the application/nomination on the RfR page. Before promotion can continue, a second administrator/bureaucrat must '''concur''' with the first administrator on the RfR page as well.
 
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:::'''Bump:''' The support so far is nice to see. However, I don't think we have a community consensus yet. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 01:01, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
:::: '''Support''' - This seems fair. [[User:Vpetmad|<span style="color:#538;background:#99c">'''Vpetmad'''</span>]] [[User talk:Vpetmad|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 16:19, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
 
:::: {{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - Seems good to me! [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="red">'''Sims'''</font>]] [[File:Plumbob.png|7px|link=User:Sims2Player]] [[User:Sims2Player|<font color="blue">'''Player'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sims2Player|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sims2Player|mistakes]]) 18:02, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
::::::'''Support''': Seems all good to me. I have no doubts that this won't work; it's a good system, and the RfR process needs to be revamped as RfA has been revamped. ~ [[User:Beds|<font color="purple">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''talk'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#66CDAA">'''blog'''</font>]])</sup> 13:35, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
:::::::'''Comment''' — Just another thought that came into mind, following Vpetmad's successful promotion to rollback which was [[Special:UserRights/Vpetmad|approved by the same user]] that [http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sims_Wiki:Requests_for_rollback?diff=next&oldid=690202 made the nomination]. I'm not saying that I'm against the way this particular nomination was handled, but I was surprised to discover that the user who made the nomination, and the user that ultimately approved the nomination were one and the same.
 
:::::::Looking back on the [[The Sims Wiki:Requests for rollback#Procedures|current system]] we have, there doesn't seem to be any policy that prohibits the bureaucrat approving the nomination from being the user who made the nomination. But that's where I'm getting at. Up until now, I've always imagined the bureaucrat approving the nomination to be different from the user who made the nomination - should the user who made the nomination be a bureaucrat. I guess this is just another reason why I'm in favour of revamping the RfR process. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:14, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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I had, in fact, discussed the nomination with two other users privately over IRC, so it was not a "one person opinion". --I am [[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] [[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF"><sup>Talk to me!</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F"><sub>See what I have done</sub></span>]] 00:34, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
:In the spirit of full disclosure, K6ka did consult with me prior to making that nomination and I did privately indicate my support. However, I do believe C.Syde still has a valid point; to the outside observer, it would appear as though he chose a candidate and then immediately gave them a promotion. This gets more to the problems of having some wiki-related matters discussed off-wiki, but that's not the point of this discussion. I will say that, in the proposed procedure, such an issue would be a moot point, as the nominating user would never be in the position to promote without having at least a two-administrator concurrence on the request page. I should also add that my proposal would not include the nominating administrator/bureaucrat as one of the two administrators granting concurrence; in other words, if a bureaucrat or admin nominates a candidate for rollback, two ''other'' administrators or bureaucrats would need to support it, not just one. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 05:10, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
::{{edit conflict}} I wasn't entirely sure whether or not it really was a one person opinion, but that's what it looked like from the outside, and I couldn't see any sources of evidence confirming what happened on the inside. But what you've said explains everything. ― '''[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]''' ([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]) 05:16, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 
==Conclusion==
Given that this thread has been inactive for well over a month, and that those who commented here were in support of the proposal, I am closing this thread. Since a consensus appears to be met, I will be implementing the items proposed here. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LiR</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 18:56, January 2, 2016 (UTC)