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[[Lolita Goth]] has the surname Goth, but she is not found in the [[Goth Family]] Tree, so, who is she?
== Theories ==
*I think she is or the sister of Gunther and Frida (possibly she is crazy and Victor and Gretle deleted her from the family tree) or first wife of Victor or Gunther. She married with Gunther or Victor and then he or broke up and Lolita has kept her name, Goth or Lolita died electrocuted when she was married. In the Goth house in The Sims 3 isn`t a TV probably because Lolita died of a TV. Lolita isn`t Frida Goth.
*She is NOT Frida Goth. It wouldn't even be possible for her to have her name changed and age into an elder and die of old age before Gunther starting as a young adult, as Frida Goth is dead in The Sims and Gunther isn't.
*Her name makes no reference to the Japanese fashion, she is plainly based off of the novel "Lolita" which fits more than Victorian clothing trends. With Gunther being an old professor, it furthers it even more. Think about it.
*The Goth Family was based on The Adams Family. Debbie in the second film Married Fester and died of electrocution. And the book, "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov was based on a underage student sleeping with her professor, which connects with her traits. and Gunther was an older professor in The Sims, which also connects. So really, Lolita is based off of 2 things, the book "Lolita" and Debbie from the second Adams family film. Lolita was the underage mistress of Gunther whom was her professor and they married, and somehow Lolita died of electrocution, so really how she died is the mystery here!
*I stand by the theory that Lolita was Gunther's ex-lover who died. In my game, Cornella accidentally died of being hit by an asteroid. Right after the "Oh My Ghost" opportunity came up so I recovered her. Right away, Lolita started hitting on Gunther-even when they were only friends. This makes me believe that she was hit ex-lover. So, yeah, that's what I believe...
*Lolita may not be related to the Goth family because when Gunther is talking to her as she is a ghost it will just say friend. Another thing is strangely EA made a mistake they put the Goth family on Sims 3.com and it has these following people Gunther, Cornelia, Simon, Gretle, Prudence, Victor, Agnes, and Lolita and it says that Victor and Gretle adopted her but if you look at her she kind of looks like a female Gunther Brown hair, Brown eyes and thats all i know and strangely when i had Cornelia give birth to a girl the girl harvested brown hair like Gunther's and liked everything Lolita liked when editing Lolita in CAS as a ghost you can see what she likes all i know now is her fav color is Yellow like her ghost.Lolita may just be a townie who harvest the same name for instance Steward Curious, Mathilde Goth, and Her name is a type of goth for instance, Lolita is a type of style for Goths and Lolita is wearing that type of style it is Classical Style goth. EVERYONE LOLITA IS NOT FRIDA, i know this because Frida is being added into the Sims 3:Supernatural along with 2 other unknown goth relatives and another thing is that Frida's hair genetics are Black not Brown(like Lolita's (It is ironic that both Lolita and Frida died of electrocution. Frida is a playable electrocution ghost in the Sims 3:Supernatural. Lolita might be a reference to Debbie in the Addams family though in a different way, Oh and Frida was not added in the family tree because she was an accidental birth in the Sims 2 They gave birth to a girl(By accident) and Frida is older than Gunther because Mortimer has no memories of her so she must have been older than Gunther and died before the birth of Mortimer. so they made Victor and Gretle try woo hoo again and then gave birth to Gunther . Thank You friend me @ AminRobinson24
*maybe she's the first wive of victor goth,she died and victor goth remaried so thats why lolita goth not in a family tree
*I have just found Lolita on the family tree,so she is not Frida,She is just Lolita. THE END! (P.S. I'm going to use her in Total Drama Sims)
* Am I the only one who sees a clue in her name? Google the '''book "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov.''' I don't think it's any accident that EA named this sim Lolita. Lolita in the book was the underage mistress to an older professor. Her traits sort of point to that too. Childish, hopeless romantic, and great kisser. And Gunther was an older professor in Sims 1.
The Sims creators have always put literary references in the game, such as the Shakespearean characters in Veronaville, and the mythological character names in Strangetown (Loki and Circe for example). I think Lolita is another literary reference.
*I thought maybe she was a distant cousin, but I thought since [[Lolita Goth|Lolita]] and [[Frida Goth|Frida]] are so similar, I now think Lolita changed her name to Frida and they are the same person.
*She is Frida Goth. After she was electrocuted, she got resurrected by the [[Resurrect-O-Nomitron]]. She later changed her name to Frida, so people wouldn't have a question on their head like "Didn't she die?" or something. 15 years later, she died by old age, and she continued haunting the Goth mansions.
*I think she was a rich girl and Victor or an older ancestor, who was a gold digger member of the family tricked her into marrying them to get her money and that's where the Goth family's wealth comes from. She has the hopeless romantic trait so it would have been easy to achieve that.
*I think Lolita is Gunther's first wife, and they had a TV. one day the TV broke. Lolita was washing her hands when the TV broke, and ovbiously while she was fixing the TV... BZEEERTT! She died of electrocution. Later, Gunther sold the TV so any other Goth member wouldn't die of electrocution. The reason why there is no tombstone of Lolita may be because they may have forgotten Lolita's tombstone while Mortimer and Bella was moving to 5 Sim Avenue. Or it may have crushed or something.
* Ok! My theory is this: Cornelia and Gunther were set for an arraigned marriage, but Gunther, who didn't love Cornelia, was in love with Lolita. Cornelia was mad that her love loved someone else, so, before her and Gunther's wedding day, she rigged the t.v. And asked day and asked Lolita, who was doing something water related, to kindly fix it for her. Lolita immediately said yes and went to work fixing the t.v. And got electrocuted. Gunther came home and saw Lolita dyeing and quickly exchanged rings with her/ didn't? And that's the reason they A. Don't have t.vs and B. Cornelia and Gunther' marriage was a bomb.
~ Lizzy 3/28/12
*I actually think she married Victor, not Gunther, after all, it doesn't have to be a solid answer on why they had Mortimer so late. But what confuses me is that when she comes out for the night from Netherworld, Gunther doesn't have her in his friends list, and when they met, there is no symbol, the same for Victor Goth as well. Actually, I just found a solution: When someone divorces a sim, a symbol comes up with two rings and a black outlined red cross on the bottom right hand side under the bar that shows how much you know them from conversation ~ but, there is also a way to hide it. EA knows everything there is behind the magic of the sims 3 and I'm here to tell you, they had me fooled for a second there; they simply made either Gunther or Victor divorce her or Lolita to divorce either one of them and then when they apologize, there's an "ask to just be friends" button under either mean or friendly. They most likely did that then killed her off to make it a Goth mystery. Thanks for reading! ~Jessica.
*If the Goths are meant to be based on the Addams family there is one character in the second movie called Debbie,who marries into the family but dies of electrocution.It may be possible that this is who Lolita is based on. Perhaps she married Gunther but also died of electuction.
* Lolita is Gunther's first wife, which is why, as the article states, Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer at an older age. If she was Gunther's aunt or sister, she would be in the family tree. She's not, so Lolita being Gunther's first wife is the only real explanation. Gunther could've sold all the electronics in the Goth home after she died so nobody else would get electrocuted.
* I think Lolita married a Goth because on her family tree it says she's not related to any Goth and when a sim dies they break up but Frida could be
* I think she is the daughter of Frida Goth because many people reckon the same thing. I have noticed that she has the bookworm trait and Frida's aspiration is knowlege there could be some gene realation there.
* Well, when I notice that there's never a TV in all the Goth homes of The Sims 1, 2 and 3, I thought if its maybe because Lolita died by electrocution once
she was trying to fix the TV. Because of her early death, the Goths took away all the TV there were in the house, and thats because you will never found a TV
in the Goth home! Its kinda deep... There are some eletronics in the Goth home from TS3, like Gunther's notebook and the stereo in Mortimers home (in my game Lolita and the other ghosts always turn it on, its very boring because Mortimer has always to wake up and turn the radio off), but '''NEVER A TV''', they have a such a problem with TVs, and its so maybe because of Lolita. [[User:Dawn01|Dawn01]] 16:48, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
* I belive she is the first wife of Gunther Goth and her grave has been covered in flowers but who laid these.Could it have been Gunther and maybe he loved her more than it seems or my other guess she is the first daughter of Frida Goth and that her knowledge aspiration and Lolita is a bookworm so there may be some gene realation there.
* I think Lolita Goth is Frida Goth's Child because they look alike in a way or she was Guther wife
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* She's Goth Girl aka Alexander Goth's daughter. [[User:Zordon123456789mlw7|Zordon123456789mlw7]] 02:13, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
* Maybe she was related, but then she moved into the library and lost her relationship status?
* I just thought she was an ancestor of the Goths... that house is really
*I think Lolita is Gunther's very first wife. Lolita died young!
*We know for sure that she is noone's sister, and she is not Frida, (she could be, but the chances are so minimal.) She could either be a divorced wife (this is possible as this would erase her from family tree and memories in TS2 aren't in TS3. Also, Lolita's first 3 letters make Lol, implying she could be a laughing stock.) Or, she could be a distant relative, or just simply an Easter Egg made to make people laugh or question who she is. Hopefully, her identity will be revealed in a future expansion.
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*True, they also don't appear if the person divorces them and also for so,me reason I find if a married couple has 1 death by anything, then the tree looks broken. This remains so when the other parent dies. Anyone know why?
*She could be a lot of things, but I think she can't be Gunther's first wife... She is so sweet, and Gunther is so gothic!!!! And I also think they look more like brothers 0_0' Maybe Ea made her to put more mistery in the family, you know, Bella is a child in TS3, and all the mystery of her abducion can't be on the game because it's shows her past. So, knowing about Frida, they decided to make Lolita to make us, poor simmers, crazy. Maybe they will tell all the misteries on one Exp. pack... I also think it's important to show the past of the Goth family (a new neighborhood showing the Victor's generation would be interesting...). [[User:Dawn01|Dawn01]] 02:43, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
*I guess Elviralapida is right. If not, where is Frida Goth?
*Lolita is the granddaughter of Mortimer that's why she isn't in the familytree,because she hasn't been born yet! She was sent back in to the past to stop something maybe Bella's abduction, but she was sent way back before Mortimer was born,then she died and started to haunt the Goth's house.
*Think about it Lolita Goth and everyone knows LOL means Laugh Out Loud which is funny or a joke, It's quite simple really but believe in what you want. This is just my theory.
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*how could you guys be so foolish, obviously Lolita and Frida have a few similarities, and because she, Gunther and Cornelia are in the same age range, its easily assumed that she is just a sister of Gunther's who was killed when they were all young adults, and because she has similarities to Frida, they could have been twins, but Lolita died. its just stupid to think that she is an ex wife of Gunther's, because she and Cornelia are in the same generation, that would mean she was really young when she married Gunther, and thats not right.
*I think since the Goth family lives close to the pleasant rest graveyard, she is just somebody who grave was desroyed in the making of the Goth family home and she just happened to have the same last name.
*It makes perfect sense that she is Gunther's
*Lolita is a secret daughter of Victor and Gretle they had her when they were not ready...she came to the Goth Home when Victor and Gretle were dead and she tried to convince Gunther she was his and Frida's sister but they didn't believe her and in sadness she electrocuted herself and Mortimer seeing all this moved her grave into their yard in place of Frida. or 2. she is Frida
*i think that she was Gunther's cousin
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*Why to Don you say a lot of future, past and present possibilities, and to Lolita you say only Gunther's first wife and shut up, that's why? Don did come back in time, Dina and Nina did come back in time, why she can't? You all just come here and post Oh, Lolita is Gunther's wife, Lolita is Gunther's wife, Lolita is Gunther's wife... As that guy said, there are lots of things she could be, even the fact that she isn't related (Bernard Broke on Riverview isn't on the family tree, and he could.
*Think about it. Her name is Lolita Goth. What is that a reference to? Gothic Lolita - a fashion style. This style involves dressing up in old Victorian inspired dresses with a Gothic twist to it. Victorian - oh, that's years ago! From this logic, I believe she is just some old old old relative. I reckon EA though it would be funny to have a Goth called Lolita (due to the pun I mentioned earlier) but there really wasn't anywhere to put her because she's not really necessary, if you see what I mean. So they made her as an old relative, but she's not on the family tree because in order to do that, EA would have needed to create loads more relatives (great grandfathers, great-great grandfathers, etc.) to trace her to, and that is obviously way to pointless and time consuming. She's just there. No conspiracy. She could be an ex-wife of Gunther, due to her flirtatiousness with him and his crappy relationship with his current wife, but her flirty nature could also be another pun - perhaps they additionally modelled her after the girl in that Lolita movie. "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have a Goth called Lolita?" "Haha! That would be cool - hey, couldn't we model her traits after that girl in that one movie?" "Omg! Yeah! Let's do that!" Also in Victorian times, people married relatives, so that may be why she flirts with Gunther. Also I doubt that, so maybe it's just because she's flirty and he lives there. Like I said before, she's just there, man. Stop getting so emotional over it. I don't think this was supposed to be the next Bella.
*I have three theories: '''A.''' Lolita quite possibly could be Gunther's ex-lover. She probably met Gunther at a young age, and they went steady. Since she and Gunther were in a very deep relationship, she knew they would marry, so she changed her name to Lolita Goth. While she was at Gunther's house one day, she needed to go to the bathroom, but she also wanted to repair the TV, which was broken. She wanted to improve her handiness skill, so she went to fix it, and she accidentally peed on herself. She continued to fix the TV, and it shorted out and electrocuted her. :( Gunther was miserable, so he buried Lolita in the cemetery, and covered her grave with flowers. This would explain why her ghost flirts with him. '''B.''' Lolita could be Gunther's twin sister, since they have similar features and they share the same hair colour. '''C.''' It is also possible that the creators of the Sims Series wanted to imply that there are generations of Goths earlier that Victor And Gretle. Lolita could be the parent of Victor's grandfather. That way, she would have the surname Goth, which would make her Victor's great-grandmother, Gunther's great-great-grandmother, and Mortimer's great-great-great-grandmother, which would be why she does not show up on the family trees of Gunther, Mortimer, or Victor.
*I look at her name, carefully then I notice I could separate her name into: Lol it a Goth. I'm not sure maybe it could be: Lol, it's a Goth! I think it was joke from EA and they seemed forgot Frida Goth. I assumed that EA has read about Lolita fashion, they would like to add Lolita Goth. It's possible unrelated, maybe her have same surname but that pretty weird she had same hair colour as Gunther. [[User:DiamondSim|DiamondSim]] 10:56, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
*Let me just say a little thing to all your guys...Lolita is not related to the Goth family!!! Let me explain it: Does everyone that haves the same surname you have is your related? No? That's what i tought. Let me just make some calcules to gets how many families named Jones are on earth. It just get millions of Jones around the world. And is the little Derek Washington from New York related to the australian Ellen Washington or even to George Washington? Yeah, no! Just because she is there don't means nothing. She could be just visiting them, went to the cemetery and had a heart attack by looking at so many graves, or the Goth family bought the first cemetery lot to be their house, and sent everyone to the new cemetery, but forgot about Lolita. How i did get on this conclusion? Simply: In the city you live there are at least 2 families with the same surname, and there is at least one family with the same surname your family have. If you still keep in mind that she is Gunther's first wife because it is too hard to think on something that has half a percent possibilty to be real,just explain to me: Is Bernard Broke from Riverview related to the rest of the Broke family? Cause the Broke family is there and no one says that he is a relative to them. Is the Baker family from the family bin related to the Baker family from Twinbrook? Is the Jones family from Riverview related to the Jones family from Bridgeport? If every family from The Sims 3 needs to be related, then the Riverview Jones family have a daughter that don't have the same skin tone (not that i am a racist) and is a papergirl.
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Back in the old times, there was a mansion in a country. It was said that the mansion was inhabited by vampires but it was actually inhabited by Victor and Gretle Goth, a married couple which had their ancestry traced back to the royals of Germany. Victor and Gretle had twins named Gunther and Frida. They also had one cat, and a lot of servants. Frida was taken by the social workers by mistake as a baby, so Gunther made himself an imaginary friend named Lolita. Victor created a raimbow potion and fed it to Lolita, wich became a real kid. Gunther began a relationship with Lolita as a teen. In the meantime Frida runned outta the orphanotrophie and became a pirate. Gunther then married Lolita, and they founded Sunset Walley together with a few other families. Then Lolita was killed by evil-doers, not before having a kid: Alexander Goth from The Sims 3 Console. Gunther gave Alexander to Frida, and then married Cornelia, who just broke up with Erik Darling s' jerk-ass twin brother. Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer, and you know the rest. --[[User:Kaylabaraonda|Kaylabaraonda]] 14:39, September 18, 2011 (UTC) Gaia
*Not dumping on everyone else's theories, but if she was meant to be an aunt/sister/blood relative that is one definite thing that EA wouldn't (and have never) have missed out on, when it comes to family trees. Since lovers/married sims lose their romantic/marriage status when one of them dies, hence the reason that they are just "acquainted" when the socialize, and if they were related, Lolita wouldn't flirt with Gunther, and it would say in front of the relation bar sister/aunt/e.t.c. So I think that Gunther and Lolita were married, and where just about to try for a baby, but Lolita was fixing something in the house, and, obviously, died. Also the reason why the only electronical item in the house is Mortimer's radio in his bedroom (because Mortimer is younger, and, of course, enjoys music), which could also suggest he hasn't told Mortimer. Whether Gunther told Cornelia about Lolita, I don't know. And, about Frida, I think the theory at the top (that she was taken by social services) could be true, though usually when one baby is taken, all babies are taken away, which would mean that Gunther was born after Frida was taken. And, if that was the case, in the time of the sims 2, Frida may have traced her natural family.
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*Guys, this is a new theory no one did think before: She was a repairwoman! One of Gunther's laptops broke, so he called a repairwoman to fix it. It was Lolita. While she was fixing it, she mwas acidentally eletrocuted, and died. Gunther couldn't send her to the town graveyard, because people would think he is a killer, and then, to hide this, renamed her Lolita Goth, and buried her on the family graveyard, so the people would think she was a relative, and Lolita remained there afterwards. If you look that she isn't related, and the only eletronic appliance that can break is Gunther's laptop, you can see this is another good theory.
*She has to be Gunther's first wife. First, they had no children, and when you die, it is considered a break-up. Since they had no children, there is no connection. Gunther most likely married her as a young adult, which possibly explains his level as a CEO. He married Cornelia as an adult, possibly still mourning. Likewise, he has a poor relationship. Which explains no electronics in the house. (Can a stereo be broken?) Lolita was probably electrocuded from a T.V since there was no trace of T.V. Her surname makes it the most likely she was his first wife. She is the only one with a small grave(except for Simon).
*My theory is that Lolita might have been adopted.
*This isn't really a theory because I don't believe it, but I thought I'd share. So I had this dream the other night (yes, this is why it's illogical) and it was that before the Goth family we've all come to know and love, a different Goth family lived in the house and Lolita died so they buried her and left. Very unlikely but still funny nonetheless.
*First of all it is possible that the Goths don't have a TV because they might not like to change their home their relatives put it in, and TVs weren't around back then. Second I think that it was a glitch that her last name was Goth, and her last name was supposed to be something else. The reason why EA games wouldn't fix this would be because it would make confusion, or they didn't relies this.
*I think Lolita died from fixing a TV so Gunther took it away but 25 years later (because the Sims 3 is a prequel to Sims 1) in Sims Unleashed Gunther thought it was safe enough to have a TV back. Plus she's a distant relative like Mrs. Crumplebottom.
*Lolita Goth is Frida Goth because in the german Sims 3 Lolita's name is Frieda Grusel and Frida's name is Frieda Grusel, too. Except for that Frida has the Knowledge aspiration and Lolita is a bookworm. They also have some facial similarities as shown by a picture above. The fact that there are no electric things in the Goth Manor and the fact that Cornelia and Gunther had Mortimer so late do not proof anything. The only thing against Frida being Lolita is that Gunther is not related to her but if he were, there would be no secret. But the thing with the german names proofs a lot!
Lolita is not Gunther's first wife nor Victor's. She is maybe a stranger.... but, i think (since Frida looks like Lolita and Lolita looks like Frida) that they were conjoined twins at birth and that they were seperated but, Lolita died while Frida survived. Lolita is not on the family tree be cause since they were conjoined the counted as one (like i said before i played with the Ottomas family in the sims 2 the twins were conjoined and counted as one player) but only Lolita died so she has a grave and is not in the family tree because Frida is her conjoined twin so since they count as one they have the same thumbnail and it says only Frida because Lolita died!!!!!!!!!!!64.229.133.49 (talk) 17:41, April 6, 2012 (UTC)Jessica & Elizabeth Wakefield
hi. we want you to stop putting this junk on this page. you may ask us all your questions instead since our father founded MAXIS. so we know all the secrets about the Sims. and we do not want you to insult our father's good work.--[[Special:Contributions/64.229.133.49|64.229.133.49]] ([[User talk:64.229.133.49|talk]]) 23:07, April 8, 2012 (UTC)Lucas Twins
In my theory,She isn't Frida Goth nor Victor or Gunther's first wife.In fact,She wasn't related to them at all.Here is how i think she is:
''One day Victor and Gretle got a visit from a neighbor.Her name was Lolita.She was a beautiful,young woman.Gretle welcomed her in.Gretle "toured" her around the house.She noticed that they had no Electronics.Lolita gave them a TV that easily breaks.Lolita left and Gretle thanked her for it.One day,While watching their TV,It broke.Instead of calling the repairman they called Lolita instead.What they didn't know was Lolita didn't even know what to do in repairing.Lolita still accepted to help.Lolita noticed the TV.It was smoking and gray colors were at it's monitors.She was nervous at first but got on anyways.She got her Screwdriver and in a snap...When she was about to screw a plug outlet,ZAPPPP!Electricity fell down from her head to her toes.Victor and Gretle went crazy.They do not know what to do with her,But they later decided to change her last name to Goth since the townspeople might think they killed her.''
That is how I think who Lolita is,my friends :)
*Lolita can't possibly be related to Gunther! She flirts with him when Cornelia isn't looking, for goodness' sake! I think she might have been Gunther's first wife, but since he and Lolita had no children and he remarried (to Cornelia), Lolita don't appear on the family tree. Or, perhaps, the creators just like to have fun with us, hence the reason for all these unsolved mysteries floating about on the Wiki. If I got information or summat wrong for TS3, don't blame me, I haven't actually played it!
Maybe it's like that glitch i had with Erin Kennedy and Jessica Talon(from Bridgeport) A random sim with the oppisite gender joins the family(if your not playing as the family) and has the same last name and is not related.
*I think Lolita is a distant cousin. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Bakerychaz|Bakerychaz]] ([[User talk:Bakerychaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bakerychaz|contribs]]) (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
*I think it's simple. Gunther achieve to ressurect her, and she changed her name to Frida in order not to make the ressurection known to the rest of Sunset Valley[[User:Sim fan until death|Sim fan until death]] 08:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
* She was probably adopted or something.
*There are several clues which may lead to who Lolita Goth is. 1: She died from electrocution as a young adult. 2: She does not appear on the Goth family, which rules out some relationships (e.g. sister, daughter). 3. Her traits don't match the other Goth members' (except the bookworm trait), suggesting she isn't a blood relative. 4: She died from electrocution, but there aren't any electrical appliances in the Goth Manor. 5: In later versions of Sims (when the house is owned by Bella and Mortimer), there are still no electrical appliances, and Lolita's grave is no longer there. 6: None of the Goths' have the technophobe trait, despite not having any electrical appliances. 7: Cornelia and Gunther don't have a very strong relationship. 8: Lolita flirts with Gunther as a ghost when Cornelia isn't looking. 9: Cornelia and Gunther had Mortimer late. ''So my theory is that Lolita married Gunther young, but Lolita got electrocuted and died, before they could have children. Gunther then sold all the electrical appliances, so no other Goths' could get electrocuted. He then married as an adult Cornelia, who replaced Lolita on the family tree, and since her and Gunther didn't have children, she can't be found on there. But at night, Lolita flirts with Gunther as a ghost, but Cornelia and sees, which is why they don't have a very strong relationship. Mortimer also finds out about Lolita, and who she is. Then since Mortimer grew up without electrical devices, he didn't need them as an adult when he owned Goth Manor. Since Gunther was dead, he decided to dig up Lolita's grave as Cornelia was his mother, not Lolita. ~Max''
* She is possibly an ancestor or a great great great great great grandmother cause she kinda has clothing from about 1800.
I have a couple of theories about Lolita Goth. I think she is either the first wife, been engaged to, or been an ex-girlfriend of Gunther Goth, as most of these theories suggest. But I also think she may have been a half-sister to Cornelia Goth and Agnes Crumplebottom as she bears some resemblance to them, or at least Agnes, such as face shape and her eyes, aswell as being similar to them in personality; she is '''Charismatic''' like Cornelia, but also a '''Bookworm''' and a '''Hopeless Romantic''' like Agnes. This is my theory:
'' Lolita was born from a different mother than Cornelia and Agnes, but had the same father - Simon Crumplebottom. As her and Agnes were very similar in personality, and Cornelia was slightly 'strange', Agnes and Lolita spent a lot of time together and became good friends - although she always felt a bit left out as her sisters were best friends. So when Agnes' husband passed away, she was the first to console and move in with her, but Lolita soon grew weary of her sister's constant crying and moaning. She then decided to put aside her differences with Cornelia and moved in with her, then spontaneously decided to change her name to Goth like Cornelia. She had a fling with Gunther, of which both of them thought Cornelia knew nothing about, but in fact she did.
One day there was a broken television. As Lolita was childish, she decided to investigate and try to fix the sparking tv set, but it exploded in her face and she immediately died. This caused Gunther and Cornelia to get rid of all electrical equipment in the house so that there could be no more electrical accidents.''
I know there are quite a few problems with this story, but still, it's nice to think about what could have happened isn't it?! So, my three theories: Lolita was Gunther's first wife; Lolita was Agnes and Cornelia's half-sister; or the Sims 3 creators meant it to be a mystery or they just accidentally didn't put her on the family tree and are laughing at all our random (or logical!) guesses!
* I think it's just Gunther's ex-wife. Chill... or possibly some dead relative from `1700 BAHHAHA!!!Like Anna-Liza Riddle for example has a relative like that but she's not on the family tree. I mean the Goths are intrested in death right? [[User:SimVampire200|SimVampire200]] ([[User talk:SimVampire200|talk]]) 18:02, July 19, 2012 (UTC)SimVampire200
*I think Cornelia and Gunther has a child, Lolita, when they were younger. and that's why Mortimer was born when they (Gunther and Cornelia) where about to become elders. So, I think Lolita is Cornelia's daughter. -PotterSims
*I think Lolita was Gunther's first wife,then they had divorce (so she was removed from the family tree). Then she tried to fix a computer and she died of electrocution. This can explain the two computers in Gunther's inventory.
*I think she was the daughter of Frida Goth
* She might be an ancestor of the Goth family, but is unlikely because of the grave,which has dirt on it. She is unlikely to be related to Gunther in any other way besides romantic interest, girlfriend, or ex-wife due to her flirting with him. It is also possible that she was somehow moved in, therefore changing her name to Goth.
* She might be the daughter of [[Samuel Goth]] and [[Olivia Goth]] and she moved to [[Sunset Valley]] after [[Frida]] moved to [[Moonlight Falls]] with Samuel and Olivia.
*I think she's a member of the Goth family, but very distantly related, so she doesn't appear on the family tree. (Maybe one of her parents married a distant Goth cousin or something). She tracked down the rest of her family and went to live with them in their fancy manor. She and Gunther had a bit of a fling, which didn't please Cornelia one bit. Lolita died after getting electrocuted (maybe Cornelia had a hand in it), as a result Gunther removed all the electrical items in the house. For years he and Cornelia were pretty hostile towards each other (though getting divorced would've caused a massive scandal). Eventually, they made up and had Mortimer. That's my theory, anyhow.
*I think that she was resurrected with the [[Resurrect-o-nomitron]] or [[ambrosia]] and she changed her name and removed herself from the family tree to avoid suspicion. In The Sims 1 she moved for a short period of time, and when she moved back to Pleasantview she died of old age.
I think Lolita might have simply been a good friend of Gunther, just sharing the last name without being related, and Cornelia thought they were together and was jealous. So she put the TV into the bathroom, smashed it up, and asked Lolita to fix it. She attempted to, but died, and this might be why she is in the Goth family graveyard. [[User:XXxCrazyThingXxX|XXxCrazyThingXxX]] ([[User talk:XXxCrazyThingXxX|talk]]) 16:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
*Much like everyone who has said above, I think Lolita Goth was the first wife to Gunther Goth but when she found out about Gunther wanting to marry Cornelia she tried to kill him by electrocution but ended up killing herself instead. The facts are all there - Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer at an older age which would of explained their deaths a couple of days after Mortimer aged up to a Young Adult.
*I think Gunther and Cornelia's relationship is shaky because they did not acually want to get married in the first place, they only slept together in college and Cornelina found out she was pregnent, so then they had to get married and they had Lolita. 19 years later Lolita was struck by lightning and she died. Then they chose to have Mortimer as an attempt to make things right. Lolita is Mortimer's older sister who he never knew.
*I think she's Gunther's first wife. She probably died after repairing a TV or a stereo. In the Goth Mansion, no electronics (Like TVs and stereos) can be found. Or maybe it's just a pun. Gothic Lolita is a type of Lolita. Maybe she just shares surnames with the Goth family. She's not related to any of the Goth relatives, so both of these common theories are possible. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:XxJoshixX|XxJoshixX]] ([[User talk:XxJoshixX|talk]])</small>
*I believe she is the child of Alexander and Cecilia Goth. Since she never met her grandmother, she was interested in helping her father save Bella from disappearing. She goes back in time with him to leave a copy of his book "Murder In Pleasantview" for one of the Goth or Bachelor family members to find and use to help save Bella. However, during the return trip something goes wrong (a possible malfunction in the time machine?) and she is electrocuted and is buried in the Goth's backyard by her grieving father before he returns to his proper time. Her ghost never states to her ancestors her true intentions or who she really is for fear of ruining the mission her and her father set out to complete. This can also explain why she is in the game prior to time travel being invented in ''Ambitions'': because she arrived from a future where time machines already exist. Her absence from the family cemeteries in Sims 1 and Sims 2 can be explained by existing information: Gunther moved his family to a new house in Sims 1, which contained a cemetery that had no ghosts (Lolita may have been re-buried here but since there are no ghosts there is no genuine proof). After a fire in that home (in which either he or Cornelia was killed) some graves were destroyed, one of which was probably Lolita's. Since her grave was destroyed, it does not appear in the family cemetery in Sims 2.
*Correction to some of the posts above, in the Vladimir Nabokov novel, ''Lolita'', Lolita was being sexually abused by her step father. Gunther and Cornelia being such old parents makes it possible that Gunther had a previous relationship with Lolita (The Sim), but she died a young adult and at the game's start Gunther is only an adult, not making for a significant age difference. If Lolita really is based off of the Nabokov character, it would be an extremely grim and serious connection made by the Sims creators, which I don't believe they would make due to the twisted sexual nature of the book's character's relationship. Other than having the childish trait and matching name I don't believe Lolita Goth has any similarities to Lolita the character. I think they just chose the name because it is a nickname for "Dolores" meaning pain and sorrow in Spanish, after all, all the Goth family members have pretty grim names.
Lolita in TS3 is not one of the Goth's It may also be one in TS2 they share Last names In TS3 she is a Bookworm in TS2 she is a knowledge meaning it was her already!! -BMOandFINN
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