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[[Lolita Goth]] has the surname Goth, but she is not found in the [[Goth Family]] Tree, so, who is she?
== Theories ==
*I think she is or the sister of Gunther and Frida (possibly she is crazy and Victor and Gretle deleted her from the family tree) or first wife of Victor or Gunther. She married with Gunther or Victor and then he or broke up and Lolita has kept her name, Goth or Lolita died electrocuted when she was married. In the Goth house in The Sims 3 isn`t a TV probably because Lolita died of a TV. Lolita isn`t Frida Goth.
*She is NOT Frida Goth. It wouldn't even be possible for her to have her name changed and age into an elder and die of old age before Gunther starting as a young adult, as Frida Goth is dead in The Sims and Gunther isn't.
*Her name makes no reference to the Japanese fashion, she is plainly based off of the novel "Lolita" which fits more than Victorian clothing trends. With Gunther being an old professor, it furthers it even more. Think about it.
*The Goth Family was based on The Adams Family. Debbie in the second film Married Fester and died of electrocution. And the book, "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov was based on a underage student sleeping with her professor, which connects with her traits. and Gunther was an older professor in The Sims, which also connects. So really, Lolita is based off of 2 things, the book "Lolita" and Debbie from the second Adams family film. Lolita was the underage mistress of Gunther whom was her professor and they married, and somehow Lolita died of electrocution, so really how she died is the mystery here!
*I stand by the theory that Lolita was Gunther's ex-lover who died. In my game, Cornella accidentally died of being hit by an asteroid. Right after the "Oh My Ghost" opportunity came up so I recovered her. Right away, Lolita started hitting on Gunther-even when they were only friends. This makes me believe that she was hit ex-lover. So, yeah, that's what I believe...
*Lolita may not be related to the Goth family because when Gunther is talking to her as she is a ghost it will just say friend. Another thing is strangely EA made a mistake they put the Goth family on Sims 3.com and it has these following people Gunther, Cornelia, Simon, Gretle, Prudence, Victor, Agnes, and Lolita and it says that Victor and Gretle adopted her but if you look at her she kind of looks like a female Gunther Brown hair, Brown eyes and thats all i know and strangely when i had Cornelia give birth to a girl the girl harvested brown hair like Gunther's and liked everything Lolita liked when editing Lolita in CAS as a ghost you can see what she likes all i know now is her fav color is Yellow like her ghost.Lolita may just be a townie who harvest the same name for instance Steward Curious, Mathilde Goth, and Her name is a type of goth for instance, Lolita is a type of style for Goths and Lolita is wearing that type of style it is Classical Style goth. EVERYONE LOLITA IS NOT FRIDA, i know this because Frida is being added into the Sims 3:Supernatural along with 2 other unknown goth relatives and another thing is that Frida's hair genetics are Black not Brown(like Lolita's (It is ironic that both Lolita and Frida died of electrocution. Frida is a playable electrocution ghost in the Sims 3:Supernatural. Lolita might be a reference to Debbie in the Addams family though in a different way, Oh and Frida was not added in the family tree because she was an accidental birth in the Sims 2 They gave birth to a girl(By accident) and Frida is older than Gunther because Mortimer has no memories of her so she must have been older than Gunther and died before the birth of Mortimer. so they made Victor and Gretle try woo hoo again and then gave birth to Gunther . Thank You friend me @ AminRobinson24
*maybe she's the first wive of victor goth,she died and victor goth remaried so thats why lolita goth not in a family tree
*I have just found Lolita on the family tree,so she is not Frida,She is just Lolita. THE END! (P.S. I'm going to use her in Total Drama Sims)
* Am I the only one who sees a clue in her name? Google the '''book "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov.''' I don't think it's any accident that EA named this sim Lolita. Lolita in the book was the underage mistress to an older professor. Her traits sort of point to that too. Childish, hopeless romantic, and great kisser. And Gunther was an older professor in Sims 1.
The Sims creators have always put literary references in the game, such as the Shakespearean characters in Veronaville, and the mythological character names in Strangetown (Loki and Circe for example). I think Lolita is another literary reference.
*I thought maybe she was a distant cousin, but I thought since [[Lolita Goth|Lolita]] and [[Frida Goth|Frida]]
*She is Frida Goth. After she was electrocuted, she got resurrected by the [[Resurrect-O-Nomitron]]. She later changed her name to Frida, so people wouldn't have a question on their head like "Didn't she die?" or something. 15 years later, she died by old age, and she continued haunting the Goth mansions.
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~ Lizzy 3/28/12
*I actually think she married Victor, not Gunther, after all, it doesn't have to be a solid answer on why they had Mortimer so late. But what confuses me is that when she comes out for the night from Netherworld, Gunther doesn't have her in his friends list, and when they met, there is no symbol, the same for Victor Goth as well. Actually, I just found a solution: When someone divorces a sim, a symbol comes up with two rings and a black outlined red cross on the bottom right hand side under the bar that shows how much you know them from conversation ~ but, there is also a way to hide it. EA knows everything there is behind the magic of the sims 3 and I'm here to tell you, they had me fooled for a second there; they simply made either Gunther or Victor divorce her or Lolita to divorce either one of them and then when they apologize, there's an "ask to just be friends" button under either mean or friendly. They most likely did that then killed her off to make it a Goth mystery. Thanks for reading! ~
*If the Goths are meant to be based on the Addams family there is one character in the second movie called Debbie,who marries into the family but dies of electrocution.It may be possible that this is who Lolita is based on. Perhaps she married Gunther but also died of electuction.
* Lolita is Gunther's first wife, which is why, as the article states, Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer at an older age. If she was Gunther's aunt or sister, she would be in the family tree. She's not, so Lolita being Gunther's first wife is the only real explanation. Gunther could've sold all the electronics in the Goth home after she died so nobody else would get electrocuted.
* I think Lolita married a Goth because on her family tree it says she's not related to any Goth and when a sim dies they break up but Frida could be Lolita's mum because they look similar and Frida's knowledge aspiration and Lolita's bookworm trait.
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''One day Victor and Gretle got a visit from a neighbor.Her name was Lolita.She was a beautiful,young woman.Gretle welcomed her in.Gretle "toured" her around the house.She noticed that they had no Electronics.Lolita gave them a TV that easily breaks.Lolita left and Gretle thanked her for it.One day,While watching their TV,It broke.Instead of calling the repairman they called Lolita instead.What they didn't know was Lolita didn't even know what to do in repairing.Lolita still accepted to help.Lolita noticed the TV.It was smoking and gray colors were at it's monitors.She was nervous at first but got on anyways.She got her Screwdriver and in a snap...When she was about to screw a plug outlet,ZAPPPP!Electricity fell down from her head to her toes.Victor and Gretle went crazy.They do not know what to do with her,But they later decided to change her last name to Goth since the townspeople might think they killed her.''
That is how
*Lolita can't possibly be related to Gunther! She flirts with him when Cornelia isn't looking, for goodness' sake! I think she might have been Gunther's first wife, but since he and Lolita had no children and he remarried (to Cornelia), Lolita don't appear on the family tree. Or, perhaps, the creators just like to have fun with us, hence the reason for all these unsolved mysteries floating about on the Wiki. If I got information or summat wrong for TS3, don't blame me, I haven't actually played it!
Maybe it's like that glitch i had with Erin Kennedy and Jessica Talon(from Bridgeport) A random sim with the oppisite gender joins the family(if your not playing as the family) and has the same last name and is not related.▼
*I think Lolita is a distant cousin. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Bakerychaz|Bakerychaz]] ([[User talk:Bakerychaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bakerychaz|contribs]]) (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
*I think it's simple. Gunther achieve to ressurect her, and she changed her name to Frida in order not to make the ressurection known to the rest of Sunset Valley[[User:Sim fan until death|Sim fan until death]] 08:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)▼
▲Maybe it's like that glitch i had with Erin Kennedy and Jessica Talon(from Bridgeport) A random sim with the oppisite gender joins the family(if your not playing as the family) and has the same last name and is not related.
* She was probably adopted or something.
*There are several clues which may lead to who Lolita Goth is. 1: She died from electrocution as a young adult. 2: She does not appear on the Goth family, which rules out some relationships (e.g. sister, daughter). 3. Her traits don't match the other Goth members' (except the bookworm trait), suggesting she isn't a blood relative. 4: She died from electrocution, but there aren't any electrical appliances in the Goth Manor. 5: In later versions of Sims (when the house is owned by Bella and Mortimer), there are still no electrical appliances, and Lolita's grave is no longer there. 6: None of the Goths' have the technophobe trait, despite not having any electrical appliances. 7: Cornelia and Gunther don't have a very strong relationship. 8: Lolita flirts with Gunther as a ghost when Cornelia isn't looking. 9: Cornelia and Gunther had Mortimer late. ''So my theory is that Lolita married Gunther young, but Lolita got electrocuted and died, before they could have children. Gunther then sold all the electrical appliances, so no other Goths' could get electrocuted. He then married as an adult Cornelia, who replaced Lolita on the family tree, and since her and Gunther didn't have children, she can't be found on there. But at night, Lolita flirts with Gunther as a ghost, but Cornelia and sees, which is why they don't have a very strong relationship. Mortimer also finds out about Lolita, and who she is. Then since Mortimer grew up without electrical devices, he didn't need them as an adult when he owned Goth Manor. Since Gunther was dead, he decided to dig up Lolita's grave as Cornelia was his mother, not Lolita. ~Max''
▲*I think it's simple. Gunther achieve to ressurect her, and she changed her name to Frida in order not to make the ressurection known to the rest of Sunset Valley[[User:Sim fan until death|Sim fan until death]] 08:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
* She is possibly an ancestor or a great great great great great grandmother cause she kinda has clothing from about 1800.
I have a couple of theories about Lolita Goth. I think she is either the first wife, been engaged to, or been an ex-girlfriend of Gunther Goth, as most of these theories suggest. But I also think she may have been a half-sister to Cornelia Goth and Agnes Crumplebottom as she bears some resemblance to them, or at least Agnes, such as face shape and her eyes, aswell as being similar to them in personality; she is '''Charismatic''' like Cornelia, but also a '''Bookworm''' and a '''Hopeless Romantic''' like Agnes. This is my theory:
'' Lolita was born from a different mother than Cornelia and Agnes, but had the same father - Simon Crumplebottom. As her and Agnes were very similar in personality, and Cornelia was slightly 'strange', Agnes and Lolita spent a lot of time together and became good friends - although she always felt a bit left out as her sisters were best friends. So when Agnes' husband passed away, she was the first to console and move in with her, but Lolita soon grew weary of her sister's constant crying and moaning. She then decided to put aside her differences with Cornelia and moved in with her, then spontaneously decided to change her name to Goth like Cornelia. She had a fling with Gunther, of which both of them thought Cornelia knew nothing about, but in fact she did.
One day there was a broken television. As Lolita was childish, she decided to investigate and try to fix the sparking tv set, but it exploded in her face and she immediately died. This caused Gunther and Cornelia to get rid of all electrical equipment in the house so that there could be no more electrical accidents.''
I know there are quite a few problems with this story, but still, it's nice to think about what could have happened isn't it?! So, my three theories: Lolita was Gunther's first wife; Lolita was Agnes and Cornelia's half-sister; or the Sims 3 creators meant it to be a mystery or they just accidentally didn't put her on the family tree and are laughing at all our random (or logical!) guesses!
* I think it's just Gunther's ex-wife. Chill... or possibly some dead relative from `1700 BAHHAHA!!!Like Anna-Liza Riddle for example has a relative like that but she's not on the family tree. I mean the Goths are intrested in death right? [[User:SimVampire200|SimVampire200]] ([[User talk:SimVampire200|talk]]) 18:02, July 19, 2012 (UTC)SimVampire200
*I think Cornelia and Gunther has a child, Lolita, when they were younger. and that's why Mortimer was born when they (Gunther and Cornelia) where about to become elders. So, I think Lolita is Cornelia's daughter. -PotterSims
*I think Lolita was Gunther's first wife,then they had divorce (so she was removed from the family tree). Then she tried to fix a computer and she died of electrocution. This can explain the two computers in Gunther's inventory.
*I think she was the daughter of Frida Goth
* She might be an ancestor of the Goth family, but is unlikely because of the grave,which has dirt on it. She is unlikely to be related to Gunther in any other way besides romantic interest, girlfriend, or ex-wife due to her flirting with him. It is also possible that she was somehow moved in, therefore changing her name to Goth.
* She might be the daughter of [[Samuel Goth]] and [[Olivia Goth]] and she moved to [[Sunset Valley]] after [[Frida]] moved to [[Moonlight Falls]] with Samuel and Olivia.
*I think she's a member of the Goth family, but very distantly related, so she doesn't appear on the family tree. (Maybe one of her parents married a distant Goth cousin or something). She tracked down the rest of her family and went to live with them in their fancy manor. She and Gunther had a bit of a fling, which didn't please Cornelia one bit. Lolita died after getting electrocuted (maybe Cornelia had a hand in it), as a result Gunther removed all the electrical items in the house. For years he and Cornelia were pretty hostile towards each other (though getting divorced would've caused a massive scandal). Eventually, they made up and had Mortimer. That's my theory, anyhow.
*I think that she was resurrected with the [[Resurrect-o-nomitron]] or [[ambrosia]] and she changed her name and removed herself from the family tree to avoid suspicion. In The Sims 1 she moved for a short period of time, and when she moved back to Pleasantview she died of old age.
I think Lolita might have simply been a good friend of Gunther, just sharing the last name without being related, and Cornelia thought they were together and was jealous. So she put the TV into the bathroom, smashed it up, and asked Lolita to fix it. She attempted to, but died, and this might be why she is in the Goth family graveyard. [[User:XXxCrazyThingXxX|XXxCrazyThingXxX]] ([[User talk:XXxCrazyThingXxX|talk]]) 16:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
*Much like everyone who has said above, I think Lolita Goth was the first wife to Gunther Goth but when she found out about Gunther wanting to marry Cornelia she tried to kill him by electrocution but ended up killing herself instead. The facts are all there - Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer at an older age which would of explained their deaths a couple of days after Mortimer aged up to a Young Adult.
*I think Gunther and Cornelia's relationship is shaky because they did not acually want to get married in the first place, they only slept together in college and Cornelina found out she was pregnent, so then they had to get married and they had Lolita. 19 years later Lolita was struck by lightning and she died. Then they chose to have Mortimer as an attempt to make things right. Lolita is Mortimer's older sister who he never knew.
*I think she's Gunther's first wife. She probably died after repairing a TV or a stereo. In the Goth Mansion, no electronics (Like TVs and stereos) can be found. Or maybe it's just a pun. Gothic Lolita is a type of Lolita. Maybe she just shares surnames with the Goth family. She's not related to any of the Goth relatives, so both of these common theories are possible. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:XxJoshixX|XxJoshixX]] ([[User talk:XxJoshixX|talk]])</small>
*I believe she is the child of Alexander and Cecilia Goth. Since she never met her grandmother, she was interested in helping her father save Bella from disappearing. She goes back in time with him to leave a copy of his book "Murder In Pleasantview" for one of the Goth or Bachelor family members to find and use to help save Bella. However, during the return trip something goes wrong (a possible malfunction in the time machine?) and she is electrocuted and is buried in the Goth's backyard by her grieving father before he returns to his proper time. Her ghost never states to her ancestors her true intentions or who she really is for fear of ruining the mission her and her father set out to complete. This can also explain why she is in the game prior to time travel being invented in ''Ambitions'': because she arrived from a future where time machines already exist. Her absence from the family cemeteries in Sims 1 and Sims 2 can be explained by existing information: Gunther moved his family to a new house in Sims 1, which contained a cemetery that had no ghosts (Lolita may have been re-buried here but since there are no ghosts there is no genuine proof). After a fire in that home (in which either he or Cornelia was killed) some graves were destroyed, one of which was probably Lolita's. Since her grave was destroyed, it does not appear in the family cemetery in Sims 2.
*Correction to some of the posts above, in the Vladimir Nabokov novel, ''Lolita'', Lolita was being sexually abused by her step father. Gunther and Cornelia being such old parents makes it possible that Gunther had a previous relationship with Lolita (The Sim), but she died a young adult and at the game's start Gunther is only an adult, not making for a significant age difference. If Lolita really is based off of the Nabokov character, it would be an extremely grim and serious connection made by the Sims creators, which I don't believe they would make due to the twisted sexual nature of the book's character's relationship. Other than having the childish trait and matching name I don't believe Lolita Goth has any similarities to Lolita the character. I think they just chose the name because it is a nickname for "Dolores" meaning pain and sorrow in Spanish, after all, all the Goth family members have pretty grim names.
Lolita in TS3 is not one of the Goth's It may also be one in TS2 they share Last names In TS3 she is a Bookworm in TS2 she is a knowledge meaning it was her already!! -BMOandFINN
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