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[[Lolita Goth]] has the surname Goth, but she is not found in the [[Goth Family]] Tree, so, who is she?
== Theories ==
*I think she is or the sister of Gunther and Frida (possibly she is crazy and Victor and Gretle deleted her from the family tree) or first wife of Victor or Gunther. She married with Gunther or Victor and then he or broke up and Lolita has kept her name, Goth or Lolita died electrocuted when she was married. In the Goth house in The Sims 3 isn`t a TV probably because Lolita died of a TV. Lolita isn`t Frida Goth.
*She is NOT Frida Goth. It wouldn't even be possible for her to have her name changed and age into an elder and die of old age before Gunther starting as a young adult, as Frida Goth is dead in The Sims and Gunther isn't.
*Her name makes no reference to the Japanese fashion, she is plainly based off of the novel "Lolita" which fits more than Victorian clothing trends. With Gunther being an old professor, it furthers it even more. Think about it.
*The Goth Family was based on The Adams Family. Debbie in the second film Married Fester and died of electrocution. And the book, "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov was based on a underage student sleeping with her professor, which connects with her traits. and Gunther was an older professor in The Sims, which also connects. So really, Lolita is based off of 2 things, the book "Lolita" and Debbie from the second Adams family film. Lolita was the underage mistress of Gunther whom was her professor and they married, and somehow Lolita died of electrocution, so really how she died is the mystery here!
*I stand by the theory that Lolita was Gunther's ex-lover who died. In my game, Cornella accidentally died of being hit by an asteroid. Right after the "Oh My Ghost" opportunity came up so I recovered her. Right away, Lolita started hitting on Gunther-even when they were only friends. This makes me believe that she was hit ex-lover. So, yeah, that's what I believe...
*Lolita may not be related to the Goth family because when Gunther is talking to her as she is a ghost it will just say friend. Another thing is strangely EA made a mistake they put the Goth family on Sims 3.com and it has these following people Gunther, Cornelia, Simon, Gretle, Prudence, Victor, Agnes, and Lolita and it says that Victor and Gretle adopted her but if you look at her she kind of looks like a female Gunther Brown hair, Brown eyes and thats all i know and strangely when i had Cornelia give birth to a girl the girl harvested brown hair like Gunther's and liked everything Lolita liked when editing Lolita in CAS as a ghost you can see what she likes all i know now is her fav color is Yellow like her ghost.Lolita may just be a townie who harvest the same name for instance Steward Curious, Mathilde Goth, and Her name is a type of goth for instance, Lolita is a type of style for Goths and Lolita is wearing that type of style it is Classical Style goth. EVERYONE LOLITA IS NOT FRIDA, i know this because Frida is being added into the Sims 3:Supernatural along with 2 other unknown goth relatives and another thing is that Frida's hair genetics are Black not Brown(like Lolita's (It is ironic that both Lolita and Frida died of electrocution. Frida is a playable electrocution ghost in the Sims 3:Supernatural. Lolita might be a reference to Debbie in the Addams family though in a different way, Oh and Frida was not added in the family tree because she was an accidental birth in the Sims 2 They gave birth to a girl(By accident) and Frida is older than Gunther because Mortimer has no memories of her so she must have been older than Gunther and died before the birth of Mortimer. so they made Victor and Gretle try woo hoo again and then gave birth to Gunther . Thank You friend me @ AminRobinson24
*maybe she's the first wive of victor goth,she died and victor goth remaried so thats why lolita goth not in a family tree
*I have just found Lolita on the family tree,so she is not Frida,She is just Lolita. THE END! (P.S. I'm going to use her in Total Drama Sims)
* Am I the only one who sees a clue in her name? Google the '''book "Lolita" by Vladimir
The Sims creators have always put literary references in the game, such as the Shakespearean characters in Veronaville, and the mythological character names in Strangetown (Loki and Circe for example). I think Lolita is another literary reference.
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Maybe it's like that glitch i had with Erin Kennedy and Jessica Talon(from Bridgeport) A random sim with the oppisite gender joins the family(if your not playing as the family) and has the same last name and is not related.
*I think Lolita is a distant cousin. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Bakerychaz|Bakerychaz]] ([[User talk:Bakerychaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bakerychaz|contribs]]) (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
*I think it's simple. Gunther achieve to ressurect her, and she changed her name to Frida in order not to make the ressurection known to the rest of Sunset Valley[[User:Sim fan until death|Sim fan until death]] 08:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
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*I think that she was resurrected with the [[Resurrect-o-nomitron]] or [[ambrosia]] and she changed her name and removed herself from the family tree to avoid suspicion. In The Sims 1 she moved for a short period of time, and when she moved back to Pleasantview she died of old age.
I think Lolita might have simply been a good friend of Gunther, just sharing the last name without being related, and Cornelia thought they were together and was jealous. So she put the TV into the bathroom, smashed it up, and asked Lolita to fix it. She attempted to, but died, and this might be why she is in the Goth family graveyard. [[User:XXxCrazyThingXxX|XXxCrazyThingXxX]] ([[User talk:XXxCrazyThingXxX|talk]]) 16:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
*Much like everyone who has said above, I think Lolita Goth was the first wife to Gunther Goth but when she found out about Gunther wanting to marry Cornelia she tried to kill him by electrocution but ended up killing herself instead. The facts are all there - Gunther and Cornelia had Mortimer at an older age which would of explained their deaths a couple of days after Mortimer aged up to a Young Adult.
*I think Gunther and Cornelia's relationship is shaky because they did not acually want to get married in the first place, they only slept together in college and Cornelina found out she was pregnent, so then they had to get married and they had Lolita. 19 years later Lolita was struck by lightning and she died. Then they chose to have Mortimer as an attempt to make things right. Lolita is Mortimer's older sister who he never knew.
*I think she's Gunther's first wife. She probably died after repairing a TV or a stereo. In the Goth Mansion, no electronics (Like TVs and stereos) can be found. Or maybe it's just a pun. Gothic Lolita is a type of Lolita. Maybe she just shares surnames with the Goth family. She's not related to any of the Goth relatives, so both of these common theories are possible. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:XxJoshixX|XxJoshixX]] ([[User talk:XxJoshixX|talk]])</small>
*I believe she is the child of Alexander and Cecilia Goth. Since she never met her grandmother, she was interested in helping her father save Bella from disappearing. She goes back in time with him to leave a copy of his book "Murder In Pleasantview" for one of the Goth or Bachelor family members to find and use to help save Bella. However, during the return trip something goes wrong (a possible malfunction in the time machine?) and she is electrocuted and is buried in the Goth's backyard by her grieving father before he returns to his proper time. Her ghost never states to her ancestors her true intentions or who she really is for fear of ruining the mission her and her father set out to complete. This can also explain why she is in the game prior to time travel being invented in ''Ambitions'': because she arrived from a future where time machines already exist. Her absence from the family cemeteries in Sims 1 and Sims 2 can be explained by existing information: Gunther moved his family to a new house in Sims 1, which contained a cemetery that had no ghosts (Lolita may have been re-buried here but since there are no ghosts there is no genuine proof). After a fire in that home (in which either he or Cornelia was killed) some graves were destroyed, one of which was probably Lolita's. Since her grave was destroyed, it does not appear in the family cemetery in Sims 2.
*Correction to some of the posts above, in the Vladimir Nabokov novel, ''Lolita'', Lolita was being sexually abused by her step father. Gunther and Cornelia being such old parents makes it possible that Gunther had a previous relationship with Lolita (The Sim), but she died a young adult and at the game's start Gunther is only an adult, not making for a significant age difference. If Lolita really is based off of the Nabokov character, it would be an extremely grim and serious connection made by the Sims creators, which I don't believe they would make due to the twisted sexual nature of the book's character's relationship. Other than having the childish trait and matching name I don't believe Lolita Goth has any similarities to Lolita the character. I think they just chose the name because it is a nickname for "Dolores" meaning pain and sorrow in Spanish, after all, all the Goth family members have pretty grim names.
Lolita in TS3 is not one of the Goth's It may also be one in TS2 they share Last names In TS3 she is a Bookworm in TS2 she is a knowledge meaning it was her already!! -BMOandFINN
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