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Darn no nudist trait. We have "never nude" witch wild be is opposite [[User:Chaos Shepherd|Chaos Shepherd]] 14:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Inappropriate the opposite of "Never Nude". --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 03:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
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::In my opinion it's not imoprtant to list the number of traits since it's gonna be hell to update everytime a new expansion comes out so I think we should leave it out. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 18:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
:::I added hidden counts of the traits in the new arrange of trait down below. With WA and Ambitions, I count 72 traits (hidden traits excluded). [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 07:53, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
== Similar Traits ==
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In ambitions, if you create a firefighter will their children have a chance of getting the pyro or immune to fire traits? Or does it only count for NPC firefighters? Thanks, [[User:Guffers|Guffers]] 12:58, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
:I haven't tried this myself yet, but at some point in the firefighter career it says that you can pass your firefighting gene on to your offspring now, so it might be that you need to hit that step to be able to get it now. I believe it was rank 8. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 18:03, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
== New arrangement of traits ==
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<br />Each trait should also be a title so it can be linked to directly from other articles and from this top table.
''The new trait index has been moved to [[Trait (The Sims 3)]].''
Any thoughts are welcome. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 09:36, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
:That's a good idea, similar to the [[Skill]] article. If we give each trait its own page I would suggest moving the table to [[Trait (The Sims 3)]] and keep this page as an alphabetical list only with no descriptions. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 18:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe instead of the icon of the game on the left column, why not just break it up into sections? (as in, them <nowiki>==Game version/name/expansion pack...thing==</nowiki> sections)--[[User:Dramartistic|Reimi~]] 21:10, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the skill table is sort of similar. Each trait should, in my opinion, have its own page so it can be discussed and everything the trait unlocks or enables can be added. If we do that, then I'd suggest that we only show the ingame short description of the trait on the lists. On each individual trait page we then list the detailed description also from ingame (when you actually have a sim with the trait) and differ it from what that actually means. At the moment the ingame description is mixed with user comments and observations. I'm not sure what you're suggesting Reimi. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 23:57, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
::::I think
:::I think if 70-some new pages are going to be created (one for each trait), it should be discussed community-wide. I can see positives and negatives to both. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 00:04, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::LostInReiverview, I don't see the negatives you see. Could you expand on that? --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 03:06, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::::I just don't see enough material being available for each trait to warrant giving each trait its own page. Would it be possible to see an example of how this would be implemented, perhaps in the [[Sandbox]]? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 03:19, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::::You mean an example of a single trait page? (I added artistic to the table above to illustrate my point about a new index better) [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 12:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::[[The Sims Wiki:Sandbox/Artistic]] --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 21:55, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::That looks pretty good. I withdraw my hesitation. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 22:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::My only other question, one that has no bearing on my opinion of this idea; is there is some way, on the individual trait page, to link to the category list of Sims that have that trait? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 22:16, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Absolutely. I didn't add any categories as it was a test page, but I would categorize all the trait pages in one category and individual pages could be linked and added to a specific Sims by Traits category. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 22:22, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Well I think this is all a good idea. If you need an an extra hand in creating the articles or whatever, give me a shout on my talk page. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 22:52, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think we need all the hands we can get. I finished the table up above, does it miss anything? Is there a way we can make it better? [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 17:59, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also, maybe we should add the new ambitions traits first so people can start using the talk pages, I'm sure they're more exciting these days. I'm still abit oblivious as to what Reimi was talking about earlier. If we go ahead and implement the above table in the list of traits (and get all traits into their own pages) do we ditch the alphabetic TOC? With these two changes in mind people can either search this wiki directly or use their browser to search the table above to find a trait, I don't see a real need for a specific alphabet listing. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 20:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I fiddled with the table again and made trait counters. Too much? [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 08:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
===Finalizing===
Alright, all traits are now on their own pages. The table is as good as it's gonna get this time around (unless anyone has some feedback). I suggest we move the table to the [[List of Traits]], delete the old info there, BUT keep the alphabetic sorting of trait names with ''Main article'' link to each individual trait page. There's alot of pages linking to letters on the list of traits and they should be sorted before we delete the old info completely. There's still the matter of hidden and dropped traits, should they stay at the bottom of the list? [[User_talk:Duskey|| Duskey |]] 17:09, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
: I have moved the table to [[Trait (The Sims 3)]]. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 20:14, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
::Awesome work everyone! [[User_talk:Duskey|| Duskey |]] 22:43, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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== Progress on Traits ==
Right now, there are 20 pages in the Traits Category. They are:
[[Absent-Minded]],
[[Adventurous]],
[[Ambitious]],
[[Angler]],
[[Artistic]],
[[Athletic (trait)]],
[[Can't Stand Art]],
[[Commitment Issues]],
[[Couch Potato]],
[[Dramatic]],
[[Eccentric]],
[[Eco-Friendly]],
[[Evil]],
[[Flirty]],
[[Kleptomaniac]],
[[Loser]],
[[Technophobe]],
[[Unflirty]],
[[Unlucky]],
[[Vegetarian]],
[[Virtuoso]],
[[Workaholic]]
Some trait pages are redirects to the list (they can be found by going to the 'what links here' page for List of Traits), and those traits are what I am going to work on next, to get those out of the way. Plus, after that, we can simply use the red links to determine which pages still need to be made. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 23:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
:Good work. Are you done reconfubeling all the old redirect traits? Also instead of listing example of sims with this trait, is it possible to just link to the category? How do you link to a category? [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 05:49, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
::No, I haven't finished "reconfubeling" yet... I got a bit distracted, it happens. I wish I knew how to link to a category, but alas I do not. The only trick I can think is to create an article that has a redirect to a category, but I don't know any other way... I'll get back to reconfubeling - I think we should keep that word :) [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 05:53, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
:::To the best of my knowledge, reconfubeling has been completed. From what I can tell, no trait pages now redirect to this page. How are the Ambitions traits coming along? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 07:17, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
::::Just finished with Ambitions traits. I think we should probably talk about a standard procedure of titles on trait pages. I added "perks" to some of them for copying the ingame tooltip, but as you (LostInRiverview) pointed out, the wording could be better. It just needs to be clear that its from the game and not something observed by the player. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 07:30, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Umm... are we done? There are no more red links up on that table... If so, what's the next step? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 06:05, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
:Next step would be to make sure we caught all the redirects (I'm on it). I'd like some others to comment on the table before we move it to the [[List of Traits]] page. Also before that, check the history to see if there's info that has been added while we've been creating individual pages for the traits before we delete it. Finally when all that is done, a little '''heads up!''' to the community would be nice since they might wonder where their traits went. [[User_talk:Duskey|| Duskey |]] 06:32, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
::All links in the table now function properly. [[User_talk:Duskey|| Duskey |]] 06:48, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
== Standardization ==
''The following discussion has been copied to [[:Category talk:Traits]] and [[The Sims Wiki talk:Project Simology/Manual of style]] (with a summary on [[The Sims Wiki:Project Simology/Manual of style]]) for future reference.'' --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 20:23, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't want to continue that thread under that section (it can get quite long) so I started a new section.
As [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] said above, there should be some standards for the Traits articles. Below is an example of the (rough) standard I've been using:
<Image> '''Trait A''' is a <mental, physical, social, lifestyle> [[Trait (The Sims 3)|trait]] in ''<game>''. <It conflicts with <Trait B> and is available at <age> (if this information is not available or not known by me, I leave it blank)>
''The in-game Trait description is here, italicized''
<Heading - Behaviors (again, not the best wording>
*List of Trait attributes
*Most are taken from in-game text
<Heading - Related Skills (if applicable>
*Skill ('''bolded''' if the skill is directly related to the moodlet)
<Heading - Possible Lifetime Wishes (if applicable>
*Most of these are a stab in the dark
<Heading -Sims with Trait A>
Examples of <Trait A possessing> Sims: List of example Sims, linked to their articles.
I've also been inserting, between the lifetime wish and example sims, a list of 1 or 2 related traits, though only in the last few articles I've made ([[Green Thumb]], [[Loves The Outdoors]]).
I've added each article to two categories... the first is the Traits category, the second is the category corresponding to the trait, example "Sims with Green Thumbs" or "Snobs".
So...what do we want to adopt as a standard? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 07:39, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes! '''Attributes''' that's the word we can use for the ingame text. I noticed ''A morris'' added ''"Unlocked interaction"'' to some traits which I like. I'm also quite prone to adding ''"Player notes"'' or something along those lines, though we could call that ''"Behaviours"''. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 07:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed, I think 'Attributes' is a good word for both situations. The reason I've avoided using "unlocked interaction" is because it's sometimes hard to classify what is an interaction... maybe I'm splitting hairs. I like the idea of Player Notes - it can be put in when a player has a comment that wasn't part of the original in-game text. I'm going to buzz through the articles and change 'Behavior' to 'Attributes' where it exists. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 07:50, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
:::It's getting late where I live and I am quite honestly a little sick of typing the word 'attribute'. I'm calling it a night. You can either finish the job or just wait for me to do it (or another user). Otherwise, after that, the next logical step is to create pages for the remaining redlinked traits. Ooh, fun! [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 08:18, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't wear yourself out. A wiki didn't build itself overnight. I see you removed the ''your'' from my ''your sims is better at...'' in attributes. Ingame it actually starts with ''Your sim...'' every time. [[User:Duskey|Duskey]] 08:49, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
:::::As far as anyone knows, are there any other pages that need to be made besides those red link pages above? [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 04:24, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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