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== It is time to stop this ==
As this conversation has been going on for a very long time with nothing to show for it. I think the following actions need to take place:
#[https://thesimswiki.com thesimswiki.com at Miraheze] should be closed down as an unauthorized copy of The Sims Wikia from FANDOM.
#All sites [https://ipinfo.io/172.110.6.174
FANDOM is a nice place and Wikia has done its upmost to accommodate its communities. Conversations such as these are not constructive and are detrimental to The Sims Wiki as a whole. This only stands to create a rift in the community and I think we all owe MisterWoodhouse an apology for the way we treated him.[[User:MarketingSimmer|MarketingSimmer]] ([[User talk:MarketingSimmer|talk]]) 20:14, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
:FANDOM is ''not'' a nice place and Wikia has been anything ''but'' accommodating. The migration to the new URL without community consensus, the horrendous site design, Featured Videos fiasco, and intrusive ads are just some of the many valid grievances people have had with the platform. I think, if anything, MisterWoodhouse owes ''us'' an apology for persistently dodging questions and failing to answer them. We have had ''legitimate'' concerns, and yet he addressed absolutely ''none'' of them. What should we apologize for? We were the ones who worked tirelessly in a volunteer capacity to produce content that FANDOM monetized for themselves. Shouldn't they be owing us an apology for being such a jackass to all of us? We are not here to be used; we are volunteers, and we as volunteers have the ability to withdraw our efforts at any time.
:And your impressive threats to have the owner of the site convicted is nothing short of marvelous and empty. Not to mention that you are not even a regular contributor to this site, but have only contributed an [[Forum:Closing down IRC Channel|utterly uninformed forum thread]] and being [[Special:Diff/887219|concerned for our image despite no evidence suggesting that you actually care about the wiki]]. Let's have a look at [[Special:Contribs/MarketingSimmer|your contributions]]. What a dearth of contributions to the wiki! Are you a mole working for FANDOM trying to prevent the wiki's legitimate attempts from migrating? You certainly seem like it, since your only contributions to the wiki have been suspiciously to object to the migration, with no real rationale as to why.
:Why don't you try contacting the owner of the site rather than threatening legal action? I'm sure you are aware that legal threats actually ''worsen'' the situation rather than help it. We are here as a community working at a volunteer capacity; you can leave your legal red tape locked up in your attorney's office where it belongs, and come here without your hubris. Do us a favor and cut it with your witch-hunt. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE|2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE|talk]]) 20:57, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
:: I don't think anyone owes me an apology. I wasn't able to speak out of turn at the time that the questions were being asked because we were in the midst of figuring out our plans for upgrading the platform to the latest version of MediaWiki. Simply put, a forum post on a single wiki is not the place to disclose a massive project like that. I do apologize, however, for not returning to let y'all know about those plans once [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Fandom_is_upgrading_to_a_modern_version_of_MediaWiki we announced them] . Since then, we've also announced [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Community_Contract_for_the_New_Fandom_Platform the committments governing our work on the new platform] , which will be on MediaWiki 1.33 at launch. It will house all the wiki content in good standing and allow us to implement new features more quickly without the burden of our current technical debt, as well as give us access to modern extensions that would've otherwise had to have been reverse engineered onto the current platform. We should have a big blog post about the Unified Community Platform in the next week or so. In the meantime, Community Connect attendees got to talk a lot of about the UCP with us last month and they are encouraged to discuss it with other editors. No NDA. Also, [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/An_Update_on_the_Future_of_Featured_Video Featured Video has been altered] to focus on promoting the wikis and collecting data that will help build a replacement for the program. [[User:MisterWoodhouse|MisterWoodhouse]] ([[User talk:MisterWoodhouse|talk]]) 21:18, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
::: Thank you for the update. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE|2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A2C0:578:B5EF:3629:EFF9:CADE|talk]]) 21:25, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
::::I do '''not''' wish to take sides. But I do need to voice a few of the concerns that have been brought up by myself as well as some of the users that are supportive of the migration. Firstly, there are a number of things that Miraheze has to offer that are not on offer on Fandom. This includes but isn't limited to the following: No ads, Bureaucrats being able to modify usergroup permissions themselves, and having access to certain usergroup permissions that local usergroups on Fandom do not have access to.
::::One major concern that I must agree with is the number of MediaWiki messages that aren't editable to local Administrators. Most sites including Miraheze allow local Administrators to edit all messages freely. I can understand that there are some MediaWiki messages on Fandom that should not be open for local Administrators to edit, such as the system messages that would affect areas of the wiki that would violate the customisation policy. But I feel that unless there's a very good reason that certain messages shouldn't be editable by Administrators, that general MediaWiki messages should be unlocked for editing.
::::The way I see it, the reason most system messages were locked from editing was because of a security attack that occurred in August 2015. But it's been ages since that time, and only a small amount of system messages are currently open to editing. The vast majority of system messages don't accept executable code, and are therefore unnecessary to be locked from editing. Personally I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the vast majority of system messages are open for Administrators to edit once we've upgraded to MediaWiki 1.33 and most - if not all - security problems from the current version of MediaWiki are resolved as a result of the upgrade.
::::It also strikes me how [[User:MarketingSimmer|MarketingSimmer]] has approached this forum in an authoritative tone, despite not being in a position to take action against the migration surrounding it ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800000">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">contribs</font>]])</span> 02:22, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
:::::I highly doubt that MediaWiki messages will become editable. The "security review" for them back in 2015 was just a complete farce. Most MediaWiki system message pages don't accept HTML, especially those used on the login screen. Wikia already uses a separate page for logins so there's no way passwords can be siphoned in that manner. Disabling MediaWiki system message editing is just a way of restricting the amount of customization and frustrating local wiki admins who just want to tinker and play around with things, or easily change the text on their wiki. Frankly if Wikia were to be freshly incorporated today, they would not use MediaWiki as their software. They would most likely develop something more closed down, proprietary, and more frustrating to use that they could easily exert more control over. MediaWiki to Wikia is evidently dead.
:::::And Wikia already claims they're up-to-date on security as they backport many of the security patches from newer versions of MediaWiki, which is like trying to keep a cabin that's falling apart at the seams by sticking chewing gum into the cracks. And I'm not holding my breath on the MediaWiki 1.33 upgrade; it's too little, too late, and Miraheze is already on MediaWiki 1.34, Wikimedia sites 1.35. Even ShoutWiki, with all of its flaws, is on 1.32.
:::::It's been said before but if Wikia wants to repair its tarnished reputation, it ''has'' to let its communities leave if they so choose to. Continuing to force them to stay is only going to worsen the divide. Wikia, I know you say you love us, but please get a clue; this is like an abusive relationship.
:::::More and more wikis are leaving for Miraheze mostly because of the increased customizability they offer, along with Miraheze agreeing to keep their hands off wiki affairs and to allow wikis to leave if they so choose to. Miraheze is here to serve, which appeals to wiki communities. Wikia is here to make money. Insert some old-timer's stodgy comment about how "Oh these millennials are all against capitalism", but it's not that; it's perfectly reasonable to be sick of this abusive relationship and want to end it. Frankly if your boyfriend was beating you and tarnishing your name, it's rather stupid to criticize you for wanting to end the relationship. [[Special:Contributions/74.198.131.130|74.198.131.130]] ([[User talk:74.198.131.130|talk]]) 17:30, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
::::::Again, I don't want to take sides. But yeah, the lack of system message editing and various other things that have been taken away from us over these years has become a real problem for me. I remember complaining about it from place to place, and more often than not, I ended up getting jumped on by other users who didn't seem to think that losing general system message access was such a big deal.
::::::And some users were actually supportive of local Administrators not having access, as they say that it's best to always assume the worst and not allow access to local Administrators to "be on the safe side". Well if the security issues were all fixed up, then there would be no need to restrict access to "be on the safe side". On top of that, if local Administrators customise system messages to gibberish. Then that's the wiki's problem. Either they picked the wrong Administrator, or the wrong user founded the wrong wiki. ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800000">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">contribs</font>]])</span> 23:59, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
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