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:Removing the voting process from requests with no support whatsoever in the request seems to be our best bet here. I'm all for it. [[User:Beds|<font color="#6B1D51">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''parlare'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''da leggere'''</font>]])</sup> 15:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
:Removing the voting process from requests with no support whatsoever in the request seems to be our best bet here. I'm all for it. [[User:Beds|<font color="#6B1D51">'''Beds'''</font>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''parlare'''</font>]] - [[User_blog:Beds|<font color="#512d17">'''da leggere'''</font>]])</sup> 15:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
I support. I think K6ka hit the nail on the head - if there's consensus for a candidate, then we shouldn't need to resort to a formal vote. If consensus is lacking, then a vote is already redundant. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 19:00, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
I support. I think K6ka hit the nail on the head - if there's consensus for a candidate, then we shouldn't need to resort to a formal vote. If consensus is lacking, then a vote is already redundant. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 19:00, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Although I do support removing the voting process from determining consensus, I'm not sure how the community would be able to interpret the results of the discussion. As it's in paragraph-form, it can be a bit unclear what is the commenter's the ultimate decision in relation to supporting or opposing a request. As well, it could be difficult to put all the results of the comments into a strict support or lack of support. However, The Sims Wiki mightn't even need a system to really solve this, as there are not often issues with rights requests. --'''[[user:Bleeh|<font color="#FC58B8">Bleeh</font>]]'''<sup>[[User talk: Bleeh|<font color="#EBACA4">(talk!)</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bleeh|<font color="#EBACA4">(edits)</font>]]</sup> 03:06, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

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So with regards to the confusion over how consensus is interpreted with RfA and RfB, I feel a modest change to the system would help us overcome this and make things more clear.

I'd like to propose that we omit the voting procedure that takes place with RfA and RfB if consensus isn't clear from the discussion. From what I remember, the voting procedure was primarily implemented as a compromise to us needing the system yet the community didn't quite want to do away with voting completely. The discussion-based system has been mostly successful for us and determining whether or not a nomination needs to progress to a vote is often rather confusing and frankly the vote itself doesn't really make things any clearer.

With this, I'd like for us to clarify that consensus in these discussions is meant to be a general agreement on promoting a user and that a rough consensus of two-thirds (66%) is needed for a promotion to take place. This eliminates the situation of one being confused as into whether or not there is a consensus as it would be a case of either there is a favourable consensus to promote the nominee, in which case the RfA/RfB is successful, or there isn't and therefore it's unsuccessful, so we wouldn't have to worry about things being split 50/50 or whatever.

While it may seem like I'm looking for the easy way out, I feel this move would solve a lot of the confusion regarding RfX consensus and would ultimately make the process a lot clearer.

Note that I'm not proposing we close down RfA/RfB while we discuss this, as this isn't a major overhaul, but any RfAs or RfBs that take place while this is being discussed should use the current system as it stands.

Please discuss below. Lost Labyrinth (c)(b) 13:39, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Support. Voting really doesn't get a nomination anywhere. If the community clearly disagrees with the promotion, a vote isn't going to change that. K6ka (talk | contribs) 14:20, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Removing the voting process from requests with no support whatsoever in the request seems to be our best bet here. I'm all for it. Beds (parlare - da leggere) 15:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

I support. I think K6ka hit the nail on the head - if there's consensus for a candidate, then we shouldn't need to resort to a formal vote. If consensus is lacking, then a vote is already redundant. -- LostInRiverview talk ~ blog 19:00, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Although I do support removing the voting process from determining consensus, I'm not sure how the community would be able to interpret the results of the discussion. As it's in paragraph-form, it can be a bit unclear what is the commenter's the ultimate decision in relation to supporting or opposing a request. As well, it could be difficult to put all the results of the comments into a strict support or lack of support. However, The Sims Wiki mightn't even need a system to really solve this, as there are not often issues with rights requests. --Bleeh(talk!) (edits) 03:06, February 6, 2014 (UTC)