Forum:Starting pages for websites/wikis
I just a few minutes ago deleted a page created to advertise a wiki on the Wikia network. The wiki is Sims-related so it does not fall under the 'irrelevant' banner by which we've denied affiliate requests in the past. However, I still feel I was justified in deleting it because:
- The wiki is not officially affiliated with us
- Even if the wiki were affiliated, it is not large enough and therefore notable enough to warrant getting a page here.
I want to stress that we do have pages regarding sites which we're not affiliated with; The Sims Resource and ModTheSims both come to mind here. We do not have pages on our wiki regarding affiliated wikis, such as the Spore Wiki, MySims Wiki, etc. but for our purposes I'd like to treat a wiki in the same way we'd treat an external site. That said, this matter returns to one of notoriety. The wiki which was advertised here is not well-established and probably has no editors other than its founder. Even if we were officially affiliated with it, I would say we should not have a page regarding it on our wiki.
The reason I bring this all up is to wonder whether we should establish some sort of guideline or policy regarding how these situations are dealt with in future, how we determine notoriety, how we handle the advertisement of other sites on the wiki, or whether we want to be in the business of writing these sorts of articles at all.
I look forward to your feedback. -- LiR speak ~ read 18:18, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Discussion[edit source]
Given that most, if not all, of our affiliates seem to be Wikia-based wikis, I'd say writing a page dedicated to the said site would be more tedious and redundant than merely linking to the sites and let them do the talking, especially if our dedicated pages were lacking in related content anyway. Despite not being affiliated with them, I can understand why we have pages for TSR and MTS as they're notable in their own right. All in all it does seem to be a mixed bag and I'm personally not too sure how to approach this but I do think for the sake of consistency that something concrete is established surrounding this. Lost Labyrinth .svg){kind=small}
• (c) • (b) 18:30, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know about creating a page of a wiki's affiliation, but I'm sure we need to have a guideline for our affiliations. This will also prevent any random sites or wikis that attempt to affiliate with us, which, as you said, actually have no activities and the only contributors are the founders (The Sims Wiki:Language Portal might be a bit different topic). I'm curious how affiliations work in other wikis though... Nikel Talk – Vote! 06:43, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I too feel that we need to have a set of guidelines/procedures regarding affiliation. I've noticed on some wikis that they'll affiliate with other wikis that they're "friends" with or ones that share a few of the same editors. An immediate flaw I can see with that is that it could open the door for virtually anyone to become an affiliate, regardless of their wiki's status. Our only affiliated wiki that's nothing to do with The Sims is the Spore Wiki but even that is closely related, so I'm interested to see what can come out of this discussion as far as procedures go.
- As for the wikis listed on the language portal, they're merely just TSW but in other languages, so giving them a reference is pretty natural. Lost Labyrinth
• (c) • (b) 17:16, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I know that in the past it was established that we only affiliate with sims-related sites (or, as in the case of Spore Wiki, sims universe-related)... but I cba to provide the link to that discussion right now. In any case, such guidelines could easily be found within that discussion as to whether a website can be affiliated with as far as relevance is concerned. However, nothing was established so far as I know regarding how notable a site needed to be before affiliation (if it needed any sort of notoriety at all), or how we might choose to select affiliates based on the quality of their site. -- LiR speak ~ read 23:34, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm wondering what would the guideline be based on too. Is it by the high-traffic activity or the number of pages or the relevance to the Sims? I'm not sure. Maybe a discussion between admins could be used to determine if a wiki is worth affiliating with instead of using guidelines, if possible? Nikel Talk – Vote! 04:51, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Whether the site is relevant is pretty obvious... if it doesn't relate to The Sims in some way, it's not relevant. I think first and foremost we shouldn't affiliate with sites that aren't related to The Sims. Aside from that, I think it could just as easily be left up to a consensus of the admins whether a particular site is well-known enough to warrant its own page. -- LiR speak ~ read 06:21, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm wondering what would the guideline be based on too. Is it by the high-traffic activity or the number of pages or the relevance to the Sims? I'm not sure. Maybe a discussion between admins could be used to determine if a wiki is worth affiliating with instead of using guidelines, if possible? Nikel Talk – Vote! 04:51, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I know that in the past it was established that we only affiliate with sims-related sites (or, as in the case of Spore Wiki, sims universe-related)... but I cba to provide the link to that discussion right now. In any case, such guidelines could easily be found within that discussion as to whether a website can be affiliated with as far as relevance is concerned. However, nothing was established so far as I know regarding how notable a site needed to be before affiliation (if it needed any sort of notoriety at all), or how we might choose to select affiliates based on the quality of their site. -- LiR speak ~ read 23:34, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- As for the wikis listed on the language portal, they're merely just TSW but in other languages, so giving them a reference is pretty natural. Lost Labyrinth
It is obvious that the administrators over looked the requirements of affiliation process on TSW. It flat out said, paraphrasing to basic English, that ALL REQUESTING affiliates must post an article on TSW. So, in truth, if we are by-the-rulebook, the page in question shouldn't be removed unless non-sims related content. I must ask the community at large to review the Affiliation process in its length and tell us for 100% clearity on the matter. As I was the initiator of the page, I was under the impression that if my, or any other The Sims related, sites must place an article on this site as it is written on the Affiliation process requirements. Should we rewrite this rule or not....... Just a simple yet logical observation to the rules that are placed on here with the basic reasoning of following and herein the rules that are govern by the staff-at-large. Not trying to be nasty, rude, or mean, but, as an Autistic and Mentally Challenged as I am, when it says make a page to be confirmed as an affiliate to TSW, so, abide by what it is stated. All I'm saying for being honest and by-the-rulebook type of person. Sundogs Current wikis' talk page • Wikias' Talk Page • Wikis Managing 00:01, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
- First off, there is no requirement anywhere that affiliates create pages here in order to be affiliated. In fact, we have very few if any stated requirements, as it stands now. This thread is attempting to answer some of the most basic questions regarding affiliation, which has been up to this point a largely informal process. -- LiR speak ~ read 00:17, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
Conclusion[edit source]
Closed - It shall be left to the discretion of an administrator on whether or not a website is notable enough to warrant a page. Lost Labyrinth • (c) • (b) 17:12, January 13, 2013 (UTC)