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{{Talkheader}}the icon should be removed power has no icon[[User:Thelamppost|Thelamppost]] 20:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out, Lamp. I added a delete tag. Since A morris is apparently on, she should delete it. [[User:Sparrowsong|Sparrowsong]] 20:53, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
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Unless anyone rebuts, I say they don't have any aspirations. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 05:35, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
:In the game files and values you can access via SimPE, there are multiple signs that there indeed was once a Power aspiration. [[User:KindGenius|KindGenius]] ([[User talk:KindGenius|talk]]) 16:17, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
::I know, but it doesn't mean that they "no icon" aspiration is Power. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 16:36, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
==Power added back to sims with no aspirations?==
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:::::::::::Well, when you try to give those sims power asp. via SimModder, nothing will change because they already have it. And they have aspiration level such as ''Cold fish'', or ''Don Juan''(plantium). Mate1234
::I should probably note that '''some''' Sims that are said to have no aspiration in [[Package editor#SimPE|SimPE]] actually have the [[Power (aspiration)|Power]] aspiration. However, this does not mean that OTHER Sims listed with no aspiration actually have one.
::Example of a Sim listed in SimPE as having no aspiration but is a Power Sim:
:::[[Julius Caesar]]
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It looks that you didn´t read my last proof''. 3. ''Nothing will change because he already has it. He will still be ''Cold fish, Hopeless romantic ''or'' Don Juan. '''
:Oh yeah, did you try removing his aspiration? So if you remove his aspiration, will it change? And you didn't state why I was wrong. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:38, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
:I used SimModder and gave him reputation asp. Then I openned him in SimPe. It was set as Reputation. Then I set it as Nothing, and there was Cold fish. I maximized his asp and he was Don Juan. '''[[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 13:45, June 22, 2013 (UTC)'''
::That seems legitimate... After all, I can't really defend my arguments and I can't rebut you any further. I still haven't accepted the validity of the aspiration yet, but who knows, you might be right or not, I don't know. Go ahead then. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 12:54, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
::Finally. Thanks a lot. '''[[User:Mate1234|Mate1234]] ([[User talk:Mate1234|talk]]) 13:59, June 22, 2013 (UTC)'''
:::Also, one more thing. Please don't say "unusually," since many Sims have this aspiration... which makes it common instead of unusual. Just leave it out like "She has the Power aspiration." [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 14:52, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
==Page icons==
This has been brought up before, but nothing seems to have happened about it. The page is conflicting with itself. It says it has no icon, yet there is an icon on the page. I think we should at least put a note that the icon isn't official at least, or maybe even remove it completely. [[User:Luigis1upstand|Luigis1upstand]] ([[User talk:Luigis1upstand|talk]]) 17:35, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
:A note has been added on where the hidden icon image is found. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 18:44, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
::I'm afraid I still don't see where the icon is. There's a link to this page, if that was what you were talking about. [[User:Luigis1upstand|Luigis1upstand]] ([[User talk:Luigis1upstand|talk]]) 19:37, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
:::Auror meant it can only be found in SimPE. I don't remember what file it came from. You see, in that file, there are icons of each aspiration, and then there's this one; an unrecognized aspiration icon. I think that's just simply the reason why we put up the icon here. There's no other proof if that icon does belong to this aspiration. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:42, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I see now. Thanks. [[User:Luigis1upstand|I'm Luigis1upstand. Hi.]] ([[User talk:Luigis1upstand|talk]]) 08:29, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
Alyssa Girl - April 11
Oh! I knew this Aspiration! My little sister hack the cheat before and used it on some guy she brought back from the grave name Todd. It's nothing more then a aspiration used for things you can't see unless you die on death. It's like a Gods mode thing. When she was being the guy, on his rewords he could contacted the Grim Reaper. It was weird. Nothing really special about it. The guy she was being (Todd) his goals hr did wanted 3 kids to graduate school, and something about playing chest. It was like all aspiration into one! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Alyssa girl|Alyssa girl]] ([[User talk:Alyssa girl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alyssa girl|contribs]]) 16:50, April 11, 2015 (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
==Power Aspiration vs "No Aspiration"==
Hi, I've noticed quite a few Sims who internally have no set aspiration (IE Pollination Technician, as well as a few bugged pre-deceased Sims from the base game, are listed as having Power instead. Is there any particular reason this is the case? Since setting Power through cheats instead defaults to no aspiration is there any way of being sure that these Sims actualy have this aspiration? [[Special:Contributions/92.10.33.82|92.10.33.82]] ([[User talk:92.10.33.82|talk]]) 14:31, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
:The Power aspiration and "No aspiration" are the same thing. There isn't any difference. So they should still be listed as having the Power aspiration. ― <span style="font-family:'Constantia'; font-weight:bold; font-size:108%;">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="maroon">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro'; font-size:108%;">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="black">talk</font>]] | [[:Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="black">contribs</font>]])</span> 20:40, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
Is Power simply being used to (inaccurately) describe lack of aspiration? From a technical standpoint they are the same thing, sure. If you give a Sim Power through the Sim Modder it sets it to Nothing in SimPE, a trait which is shared by universal Sims and those lacking character data. No aspiration rolls wants randomly from Reputation and Romance. I realize it may be a stylistic choice to categorize them this way more than anything at this point, if Power is being used to refer to Sims with no aspiration data. From a factual standpoint, however, it is not the case that Sims such as the Reaper, deceased premades etc. were designed with this aspiration.
You can of course argue (I have seen this topic discussed before) that this is all conjecture, and nobody really knows for sure what went on during development, but surely Occam's razor would apply in such a situation. I'm not suggesting it all be changed or anything after all this time, just found it a bit odd that Sims lacking character data are instead described as having a scrapped aspiration which has little to do with their data. Whilst there is seemingly no difference within the game itself,listing them as power instead of no aspiration isn't quite accurate. I would maybe suggest that some information be added to this page eventually to improve the accuracy a little bit, but of course you all have the final say in the matter. [[Special:Contributions/79.71.174.16|79.71.174.16]] ([[User talk:79.71.174.16|talk]]) 20:58, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
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Anybody can see for themselves in SimPe that ''nothing''''' '''and ''power ''do not share the same aspiration value and because of that are not essentially the same and should not be treated as such. To check aspiration values, go into SimPe, go to sim browser and find any sim with a supposed ''power aspiration'' or unknown aspiration, then click more, then click extended browser, then scroll down until you see a line in the left panel that says "00000068; 0x002E: Aspiration", then on the same line in the right panel you'll see a panel with a value. These are the values of all aspirations, I'm going to list them in decimal form as it's a little easier to understand than binary or hexadecimal:
*nothing: 0 - Used by Knut Futa, Patrick Jones, Vicki Sims, Melissa Sims, Luc Smith, Therapist (NPC), Grim Reaper (NPC), Pollination Technician (NPC), Hula Zombie (NPC).
*Romance: 1
*Family: 2
*Fortune: 4
*Unknown?: 8 - Used by Julius Caesar, Stephano Arlecchino, Momentilla Bramble, Judith Dottore.
*Popularity: 16
*Knowledge: 32
*Grow-Up: 64
I can't check Grilled Cheese, Pleasure and Power at the moment as I only have the base game installed presently but I do know they all have different values, can someone please check for me? To check Power just change a sims aspiration to power using Sim Modder, save the game then follow the process I listed above.
Global NPC's use no aspiration because they're not technically sims, it's why they also seem to have no character data. Sims such as Vicki Sims, Melissa Sims, Knut Futa, etc. all have no aspiration because of unintentional data loss. As for the Veronaville sims, I'm not sure... Veronaville is possibly the oldest of all neighborhoods (maybe second to Tutorial) and has a lot of leftover data from earlier game builds. [[User:MARINAXCX|MARINAXCX]] ([[User talk:MARINAXCX|talk]]) 05:50, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
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'''Update:'''
Here are the last three aspirations:
*Power: 8 - Confirmed that [[Julius Caesar]], [[Stephano Arlecchino]], [[Momentilla Bramble]] and [[Judith Dottore]] all have the Power aspiration.
*Grilled Cheese: 100
*Pleasure: 128
[[User:MARINAXCX|MARINAXCX]] ([[User talk:MARINAXCX|talk]]) 10:50, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
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'''Updated 2:'''
I missed this sim but [[Hamlet Dane, Sr.]] also has the Power aspiration, so, as it appears, all Power sims from Veronaville are correct however it is limited to them only, makes sense since Veronaville is the oldest neighborhood.
Here are the photos proving my claims:
[[File:Powerproof1.png|850px]][[File:Powerproof2.png|850px]]
Here's Knut Futa, a sim claimed to have the Power aspiration who actually doesn't:
[[File:Powerproof3.png|850px]]
[[User:MARINAXCX|MARINAXCX]] ([[User talk:MARINAXCX|talk]]) 21:37, April 3, 2020 (UTC)
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'''Updated 3:'''
I think some may find this interesting, it seems the Power aspiration became the Grow-Up aspiration, the category description for the Power/Grow-Up (they use the same files) shows this quite clearly... Despite this there are different aspiration values for both aspirations. Power likely existed before Grow-Up however was removed and replaced with Grow-Up leaving value 8 unused and updating the aspiration value to 64. While on topic, all of the files for the Craft aspiration exist.
[[User:MARINAXCX|MARINAXCX]] ([[User talk:MARINAXCX|talk]]) 23:37, April 3, 2020 (UTC)
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:That is interesting! When I read your "Updated 2" and saw the picture showing Name: Grow Up Aspiration {Power - Aspiration} in that photo I thought, "Huh, what if power was grow up previously?" Anything interesting about Craft? I I had figured Craft was used for the console game instead, called Creativity. -- [[User:MadRayneM|MadRayneM]] ([[User talk:MadRayneM|talk]]) 03:53, April 4, 2020 (UTC)
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Craft is completely finished in terms of coding, albeit it is underwhelming in terms of detail. The description for Craft is "Want to be crafty, eh?". I'm going to guess that it was likely intended to be the creativity aspiration which was featured on The Sims 2 PS2 since it kind of makes sense? I checked the game .exe and neither craft or Power is listed (keep in mind Power is now Grow-Up).
[[User:MARINAXCX|MARINAXCX]] ([[User talk:MARINAXCX|talk]]) 04:11, April 4, 2020 (UTC)
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