The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 13: Difference between revisions

I'm not sure if everyone has heard but Wikia have added a new chat feature to the MediaWiki software, as stated in [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:DaNASCAT/Technical_Update:_April_18,_2011 this tech update]. [[User:Dopp|Dopp]] had written: "THIS JUST IN: Chat is now enabled on Community Central! You can access it via the sidebar from any page except for the homepage, as long as you're logged in." on that blog. Currently it is in testing and only avaliable on Community Central.

 

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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Strong Oppose''' - This add-on is completely pointless. There are no PMs, no IP addresses, and no topics. -'''[[User:XoTulleMorXo|<font color="purple">XoTulleMorXo</font>]]''' ([[User talk:XoTulleMorXo|<font color="red">talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/XoTulleMorXo|<font color="red">contributions</font>]]) 19:54, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

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{{VoteAgainst}}'''Strong Oppose''' - Much like the users above, I feel this add on is pointless. I also feel the IRC channel is better, we are all used to it, we have bots for it, and we should not leave it for this inferior system. --'''[[User:Woganhemlock|<font color="silver">WoganHemlock</font>]]^{[[User_talk:Woganhemlock|<font color="silver">(talk)</font>]] · [[User_blog:Woganhemlock|<font color="silver">(blog)</font>]]}''' 22:14, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

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{{Neutral}} I think it's a bit premature to be taking a stance against something that isn't completely -- or even close to completely -- developed. I don't think we've yet seen the potential of this tool, and I think it's unwise for us to make a decision until we can be at least somewhat sure we know what we're making the decision about. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 05:08, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

 

:Sorry if I'm late. Well, the feature is undoubtedly improving for sure. When I first got on, it barely worked. Comparing that with how it works now makes it clear Wikia are working on the bugs. Yes, we have IRC, but even now after so much growth its still pretty unused; once one looks at the amount of users we have. The feature isn't fully-grown yet, and that's why Wikia has been activating it; to grow it. I support it being activated on a trial basis, though just to see how we can use it for positive gain. --[[User:BobNewbie |<font color="green">'''Zombie''' </font>]]^{[[User_talk:BobNewbie |<font color="red ">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:BobNewbie |<font color="blue">blog</font>]]} 09:46, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

 

:::GEORGIE, I think you're missing something. The Wikia chat feature exists for chat between Wikians on a Wiki so that they can covers about things faster, not to talk to other Wikis. If we want to talk to others, we can simply go to theirs or visa-versa, or we can still keep IRC. I don't see how enabling it will effect the IRC much. Most, if not all, users will still stay on the IRC if they have for as long as they have. [[User:BobNewbie |<font color="green">'''Zombie''' </font>]]^{[[User_talk:BobNewbie |<font color="red ">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:BobNewbie |<font color="blue">blog</font>]]} 10:17, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

:::::Even if we get chat, I don't know how it will go. I've been to some other wikis, and while there is a couple of users on chat, there is heaps more (in one case 10 times more) on an IRC channel. If this happens here, I don't see the point of it. --'''[[User:Woganhemlock|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="black">W</font>]][[User_blog:Woganhemlock|<font color="orange">H</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:Woganhemlock|<font color="grey">(Talk)</font>]]}''' 05:23, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

 

 

===Votes to activate the feature when released into Wikia Labs===

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{{VoteFor}} - '''Support''' - Well, the feature is certainly seeming more and more promising. I personally don't see any highly excessive problems that may come with it, and I believe that the IRC won't be effected by this at all (most users will stick with the IRC instead of abandon it completely). Anyway, I support a trial run for a month or so --[[User:BobNewbie |<font color="green">'''Zombie''' </font>]]^{[[User_talk:BobNewbie |<font color="red ">talk</font>]] • [[User_blog:BobNewbie |<font color="blue">blog</font>]]} 21:56, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

{{VoteFor}} - '''Strong Support''' - Since I cannot use the IRC, this would be a much safer way to chat with the other users. And, they have made a few tweaks to the program, so it works out for vandals and spammers. It's easy to access too. --'''[[User:XoTulleMorXo|<font color="purple">XoTulleMorXo</font>]]''' ^{'''[[User talk:XoTulleMorXo|<font color="seagreen">♥talk</font>]]''' and '''[[Special:Contributions/XoTulleMorXo|<font color="seagreen">contributions♥</font>]]'''} 20:42, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

 

 

:Respecting all opinions in the vote below, I would just like to ask MTDM if he's completely sure that would happen? As most of the IRC users, if not all, have made the point that they will be sticking with IRC. --[[User:BobNewbie|<span style="color:red; text-shadow: green 0 4px 4px;">'''BobNewbie'''</span>]] [[User talk:BobNewbie|<span style="color: red ; text-shadow: green 0 4px 4px;">^∞(Talk)∞</span>]] 18:24, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

 

=== Votes to keep the feature after the two week trial has ended ===

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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Very Strong Oppose''' - Per Georgie, moreover I think if we have wikia chat new users won't search for IRC anymore. --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 17:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

 

=== Conclusion ===

 

:Personally, I think Wikia Chat should be removed. The votes to remove it are mainly labelled '''Strong Oppose''' while the votes to keep it are mainly labelled '''Weak Support''' or just '''Support'''. --'''[[user:Bleeh|<font color="navy">Bleeh</font>]]'''^{[[User talk: Bleeh|<font color="#489094">(talk)</font>]]} ^{[[User blog:Bleeh|<font color="#489094">(blog)</font>]]} 19:09, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

::Considering Bleeh's observation I think the opposes are much stronger than the supports, but we should still balance all arguments. I would also say that wikia chat should be '''shut off''' due to the following reasons: it's much more easy for trolls to access it, bans are more complicated to perform, advertsing occurs more frequently, and the wikia chat is pretty unpopular, redundant as we already have IRC. I only fear that IRC is not as stable as wikia chat, and that may be an argument in favor of wikia chat. I still think the best option is to shut it off. But considering all arguments I'm not entirely sure. Thank you. --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 19:17, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

::::It takes a consensus to make a change to the status quo. I see no consensus above, no matter the degree of opposition or support. As far as I'm concerned, shutting off the feature would be at risk of violating consensus. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 20:27, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

::::::Well, if the opposes appear to be stronger than the supports, wouldn't keeping the feature be at risk of violating the consensus as well? This appears to be a dilemma to me. --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 14:26, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

:::::::There's multiple problems to going with strength of opposition. For one, anyone could just write "I am completely 100% opposed" even if they really aren't, simply as a means to sway the "vote." Additionally, if we allow those statements to sway arguments, that essentially means that those people who are most strongly for/against something have more of a sway over what happens than those who, while they may have an opinion, don't feel passionately about it. That leads down a very dark path where only those people who are most outlandishly for or against will have their votes heard, thus shutting out the rest of the community from the discussion. In the end, the ''only'' fair way to judge is based on the number of people in support or opposition, not the strength of that support or opposition. Thus, in this case, there is no consensus to eliminate the feature. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 16:05, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

::Wogan, that box art idea is awesome! -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 05:23, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

 

 

::::Do you really think TS3 box art is a good idea? Some people here don't have TS3... and although it's the latest series, I think we should find other background that resembles all series. [[User:Nikel23|Nikel23]] 08:55, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Hi guys. Using Wogan's idea, I made a seamless/tiled image from the faces on The Sims 3 cover. Check out [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/8/81/SimsPreview.jpg this preview] of it from the theme designer. If you like it as it is, just say the word, and I'll upload it. If you'd like me to adjust something on it, or do something completely different, let me know. [[User:JoePlay|<b>JoePlay</b>]] http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png [[User talk:JoePlay|<font size="1">(talk)</font>]] 22:35, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

 

::::::::Niiiiice. Great job, I love it. --'''[[User:Woganhemlock|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="black">W</font>]][[User_blog:Woganhemlock|<font color="orange">H</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:Woganhemlock|<font color="grey">(Talk)</font>]]}''' 05:07, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

 

::::::::::Yes, there are 20 different faces on the background, due to the fact that there are only 22 or 23 faces on The Sims 3 cover that aren't partially covered or cut off. Also, it seems that you guys are not in agreement about what the background should be, so I've made [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/d/d4/SimsPreview2.jpg another preview] using the background found on the landing page at [http://thesims.ea.com/ the official site]. [[User:JoePlay|<b>JoePlay</b>]] http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png [[User talk:JoePlay|<font size="1">(talk)</font>]] 21:18, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

 

 

::::::::::::<strike>Hmm, they are both good. I like them both, so whatever gets picked is fine by me. --'''[[User:Woganhemlock|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="black">W</font>]][[User_blog:Woganhemlok|<font color="orange">H</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:Woganhemlock|<font color="grey">(talk)</font>]]}''' 00:45, June 18, 2011 (UTC)</strike>

<small>(reset indent)</small> Actually, only the part up to the '.wikiasearch' bit applies to the background, the rest was something I was messing with for the search box (making the text a greenish color). I'm trying to figure out a way to eliminate the gray horizontal bar between the header and the content space, as well as a possible way to make a different design for the header itself; all those will be done on my personal wikia.css page, not on the wiki's wikia.css page. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 07:57, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

:Wow! The second one looks gorgeous! And also could we test 30% of transparency, just to see what happens? Thank you =D --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 10:25, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

:::JoePlay has sized down the mosaic so I could test it out as the header, and I've taken a couple screenshots for a side-by-side comparison:

[[File:NoMosaicHeaderExample.png|thumb|left|No Mosaic header and a translucent background]] [[File:MosaicHeaderExample.png|thumb|The mosaic header, with translucent background.]]

:Well, The mosaic certainly makes the header stand out. I think it might work. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 22:14, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

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::I personally prefer the one without header, also could we try a bit lower transparency? Thank you. --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 23:04, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

:::Actually, we only have available transparencies at and above 50%, so in other words, whatever we change it to (except completely solid) will be ''more'' see-through. Unfortunately I don't have the capacity to create the transparent image (JoePlay made those) so we have to take what we can get. This is as un-transparent as I can get it, without it being completely not transparent. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 23:23, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

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I am also voting '''for the header''' because I think that without the header, the top just looks cheesy. [[User:DanPin|DanPin]] .:::. [[User_talk:DanPin|Talk]] 23:57, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

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===Comments===

 

 

== New Wikia Editor ==

The new Wikia editor is now online, and can be activated via an admin on [[Special:WikiaLabs|WikiaLabs]]. Should we activate it now, since I believe this is going to be global sooner or later, so that we can start getting used to it? Or is there opposition to turning it on at this time? --[[User:BobNewbie|<span style="color:red; text-shadow: green 0 4px 4px;">'''BobNewbie'''</span>]] [[User talk:BobNewbie|<span style="color: red ; text-shadow: green 0 4px 4px;">^∞(Talk)∞</span>]] 10:40, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

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{{VoteFor}}'''Support'''. The editor will be more enchanced and I believe we will soon find its benefits. [[User:Nikel23|Nikel23]] 16:40, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

'''Support''' - I support the move only if someone who did it before help us rather than that I don't.[[User:Marandram|Marandram]] 22:16, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

:I don't really understand this. Most people already got used to this skin x_x, most of us already understand its tools and we have figured out how to work with it, why would we know what to change for something that has to be paid? --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 21:51, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

:::The domain and hosting is not an issue that can be arranged.[[User:Hiola|Hiola]] 22:02, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

:::There are any number of reasons I could give for my opposition. For one, this change happened over six months ago, and we've heard virtually no complaints within the past six months about the new skin. Wikia's rules on graphic redesign are not as strict as the message above would have you believe - Wikia staff themselves have been very helpful in making these changes. The hassle required to move the entire wiki is far too much in my mind to justify it. And finally, there's no way to close down sims.wikia.com if and when the wiki moves, so all a move would do is split the TSW community.

 

====Disagree====

#--[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 22:20, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

# '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 22:20, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

 

====Comments====

*After discussion on the [[The Sims Wiki Talk:Admin Portal#User:Marandram_and_User:Hiola|Admin Portal]], it appears that this proposal was not made in good faith.

**[[User:Hiola|Hiola]], who started this discussion, has been permanently blocked as a sockpuppet.

{{VoteFor}} '''Strong Support''' --[[User:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">Guilherme Guerreiro</span>]][[File:Thanks rose.png]]([[User talk:Guilherme Guerreiro|<span style="color:orange">talk here</span>]]) 18:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

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{{VoteFor}}'''Strong Support''' - I agree with the above. [[User:DanPin|DanPin]] .:::. [[User_talk:DanPin|Talk]] 18:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

== Should we add a webcam chatroom to the wiki ==

 

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but i want to use webcam why can't we? [[User:RebeccaBlack|RebeccaBlack]] 21:37, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

 

::No. A chatroom that required participants to have webcams would exclude users who don't have webcams or don't have 'net connections that can handle real-time video streaming, and would probably limit those who have connections with bandwidth caps. A chatroom that didn't require particpants to have webcams would be redundant, since there's already an IRC channel. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 22:15, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

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but if we have webcam chat, we can talk like its reallife and nothing can stopthat. im on comcast cable and webcams work for me <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:RebeccaBlack|RebeccaBlack]] ([[User talk:RebeccaBlack|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RebeccaBlack|contribs]]) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></small>}}

::Likewise. RebeccaBlack, '''you''' are on cable, and webcams work for '''you'''. That's well and good, but please do not assume that everyone here could say the same things about themselves, because it is just not so. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] ([[User_talk:Dharden|talk]]) 01:55, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

 

 

Do you guys have any other ideas? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">LostInRiverview</font>]]^{[[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">blog</font>]]}''' 18:04, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

::Something like working on correctly categorising and licensing images would be cool as well. --'''[[User:Woganhemlock|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="black">W</font>]][[User_blog:Woganhemlock|<font color="orange">H</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:Woganhemlock|<font color="grey">(Talk)</font>]]}''' 05:27, June 30, 2011 (UTC)