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==The Sims Categories==


''Continued from [[User:Narc/Categories Project]]''


==Voting Delete or Keep or Move==
I figured we should put this here since I foresee a problem should we not get this issue solved very soon. <u>I am personally suspending all category creations until we vote on our laid out plan.</u> This way everyone as a community knows what to do and is not doing their own thing. '''One weeks worth discussion and two weeks to vote on the issue is going to be our set time plan.'''


Delete {''CAS sim pages would fill up this wikia with pointless information.'') [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 17:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Issue: The category system needs fixing. It's very unorganized and messy.


Move? I don't mind if they're kept here or not, but rather than simply deleting them, if the pages contain useful information, we could make a spin-off wiki for CAS Sims. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 04:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:Rather than making separate pages we could have 'one page' for CAS sims for all different users and delete the [rest, since most CAS sim pages are very short and contain one line (from what I have read). I know there is a page where people can talk about their CAS families. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hmmm...actually I, too, prefer the idea of making a CAS sub-wiki or separate category. The game is just as much about customization as the stories/characters/info that ship with it. I do like that idea. I just don't think such Sims should be included in the actual game info, such as being listed in [[Pleasantview]]; this could confuse those not as familiar with the game as all of us are - people just wanting general information on The Sims 2 as it ships. I'm all for making a separate area for CAS info rather than simply deleting it - either way, though, I think they need to be moved or removed from where they are now. [[User:Skatoolaki|skatoolaki]] 13:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:If we were to make a spin off wiki for CAS sims and families, I believe that someone else would have to step up to the plate. I just recently (Like 1-2 days ago) took the job of admin on this wiki and I don't think I'm personally ready to start another wiki just for CAS sims.


:I also think it's hard for me (and anyone else who is not the beginner of the page) to expand CAS pages when they are not my sims. Thus we are left with blank pages or pages with one or two lines describing a sim, which seem a waste of space. I also don't think the categories thing will work because people tend to not always categorize everything the way it should be categorized.
'''(DO NOT COPY AND PASTE, RATHER EDIT YOUR IDEAS INTO)'''
The proposed category system is as followed:


:Maybe instead of many different pages we could use the [[Create-A-Sim|CAS]] page to describe what a CAS sim is and the talk page could be where people talk about their characters. We could merge all CAS pages together in the talk. Where older pages come in we could take the original owner's name or ip and say "SoandSo says..." then what they posted in a page(s). I don't think many people have posted their CAS sims but I think the few who have, created many pages for different characters of their families. Then we could make an announcement of the new page to post CAS sim information and archive the older pages when they get full.
*'''Sims Wiki''' ''(this is our super-category, the mother of all categories; everything is rooted here)''
**'''Sims Games''' ''(this category is the root of the "games" tree as noted above; in this tree, we categorize things by the games it's in)''
***'''The Sims'''
****The Sims Base Game
****Livin' Large
****''(etc.; one category for each expansion pack)''
***'''The Sims 2'''
****The Sims 2 Base Game
****University
****''(etc.; one category for each expansion pack)''
****Stuff Packs
*****Holiday Party Pack
*****''(etc.; one category for each stuff pack)''
**'''Simology''' ''(this category is the root of the "simology" tree; it categorizes by aspects of a sim's life)''
***Aspirations
***Careers
***NPCs
***Talent Badges
***Skill points
***Motives
***Life Stages
***Life States
****Aliens
***Interactions
**'''Sims'''
***''(what we already have here except the Premade Sims category)''
**'''Images'''
***Sim Images
***Sims 2 snapshots
***Sims 1 Snapshots
***Game Screenshots ''(For other game's screenshots)''
***Wiki Images
***Box Art
***Logo
**'''Templates'''
***Blank
***Stubs
***Disambiguation
***Featured Articles
**'''Games''' ''(for all other Sim games)''
**'''Community'''
***Websites
**EA Games (I think the Maxis category should be integrated into this one)
**''(more? Your input is required)''


:I think this is a better idea than deleting them. That way members are still heard but it is differenciated between base game and CAS sims. The same thing could also be done with objects. Though I think we should cross that road when we get to it. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 16:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
===Comments===
I have added all the categories that I believe are available as of now (all the ones I believe should be kept) as well as inserted ideas. Realize when you are discussing these are the exact titles we want to name these categories. They are to be used as more efficient and to enable better searching. Time is of the essence people and by Monday, March 24, 2008 I hope to be voting on this issue. Thanks for your time, I know this is a long topic! If anyone thinks of anything to be added please do! [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 22:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


::It certainly would be more work - and likely confusion - for all involved. I see your point, Makiah (and gratz on the Admin position). The idea of a Create-A-Sim page detailing what they are all about and the 'Talk' feature allowing people to describe, talk about, and share their custom made Sims sounds like a fair and efficient idea to me. That way we could take the CAS Sim pages already made on the Wiki and paste them into the 'Talk' section of that page. I'm all for that. [[User:Skatoolaki|skatoolaki]] 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'll unfix the stuff in Simology, but what i want know is, how is any of that different then the stuff in "Games Systems" --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]] 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)?
::Personally I don't like the Game Systems category because if I was a person looking for things to do with the sims such as aspirations I would not look under Game Systems. That's why we want to better the category system. I thank you for fixing that. The categories listed above would be the only ones we have so if anything is important it should be added! But again Uberfuzzy I believe you have some good ideas and can add them! [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 09:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I want to get rid of the Premade Sims Category. While I know there is an enormous amount of articles there I would like to move them to instead just the Sims Category. All the Sims in the Sims category are premade anyway...so it's kinda pointless. I know it's a big project but I'm willing to take it on (even if by myself). I also added some more categories to the category tree: Sims 1 Snapshots, Game Screenshots, and Aliens (which a user created today and I think it would be stupid to delete). [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 17:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I wanted to make note that this will not effect category creation in the future. So like people won't have to vote on making a new category or whatever. But obviously if a category doesn't seem to fit, I or someone else will delete it and it will be just like the delete a page thing. If there is no other input by tonight I will be putting it up to a vote. [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 14:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


:::Thanks! ^_^
==Categories Voting==
:::I want to get this done as soon as possible so it's off the plate. So we will start the voting procedures again and disregard the old vote. Voting ends when there are 10 votes or after 2 weeks, which ever comes first (unless there is a tie, cross the road when we get there). If there is another option voting will restart again that way we include it. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 17:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Quick idea, what does everyone think about moving the Player stories to the talk pages of those particular characters? Not a big issue, but I think it would add neatness and allow people to sign their post. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 20:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm all about neatness! Whatever we can do keep the wiki clean, efficient, and informational, I'm all for it. (BTW, and hate to ask here so you can delete this afterwards, how does one go about applying to be an officer/admin-type? Thx).
:::::Well, I'm sure Angela could give you a better explanation if mine doesn't cover any of your questions but if you want to create a sub wiki, you are the admin of it. However, if you want to be like me and take over a wiki they first determine if the admin of the wiki has been active. If they haven't edited in the past two months they are not active and you can then apply to an admin, like Angela to [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Adopt_this_wiki Adopt a Wiki]. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Alright well the votes going to be officially closed. To be honest I didn't think we would get 10 people. But I guess since I opened it to unregistered users it upéd the vote. Alright so just in case someone else votes after this. Voting results were: 1 Delete, 2 Keep, 1 new wiki, 6 talk page, 0 other. I'll start moving the CAS sim pages to the talk page and deleting them afterwards. If anyone helps and they transfer the data from the actual page to the CAS talk page. Please report the page so I know to delete it with a simple message letting me know. I'll start most of the work tomorrow though. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 04:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::: I would suggest that they be moved to the user's page or user subpages. A category could be made to keep track of them. -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I think that would have been a great idea however because we already voted I think it's hard to re-vote. I would be willing to consider creating a new vote if there were enough people behind it. To be honest I'm happy with the solution we came up with. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


<poll>
First thing I would like to apologize to the community because I forgot to put the vote up on time. Alright so we will be voting on a Categories plan that allows the community to be on the same page. The plan is that whatever category is not in it will be deleted and the other ones moved so they are branches of whatever category tree they are listed under. This will not hinder Category creation however when creating a category it must have a proper branch (be a category of a category) and have a significant number of articles.
What should we do with CAS pages?

Delete them --They could potentially fill up this wiki with pointless information.
The proposed category system is as followed:
Keep them --They are part of the game after all, Sims was based on the fact that players can costumize their games.

Create a new wiki for the sole purpose of CAS sims.
*'''Sims Wiki''' ''(this is our super-category, the mother of all categories; everything is rooted here)''
Use the CAS sim page and talk page to host CAS sims from other players.
**'''Sims Games''' ''(this category is the root of the "games" tree as noted above; in this tree, we categorize things by the games it's in)''
Other --Explain in a post.
***'''The Sims'''
</poll>
****The Sims Base Game
****Livin' Large
****''(etc.; one category for each expansion pack)''
***'''The Sims 2'''
****The Sims 2 Base Game
****University
****''(etc.; one category for each expansion pack)''
****Stuff Packs
*****Holiday Party Pack
*****''(etc.; one category for each stuff pack)''
**'''Simology''' ''(this category is the root of the "simology" tree; it categorizes by aspects of a sim's life)''
***Aspirations
***Careers
***NPCs
***Talent Badges
***Skill points
***Motives
***Life Stages
***Life States
****Aliens
***Interactions
**'''Sims'''
***''(what we already have here except the Premade Sims category)''
**'''Images'''
***Sim Images
***Sims 2 snapshots
***Sims 1 Snapshots
***Game Screenshots ''(For other game's screenshots)''
***Wiki Images
***Box Art
***Logo
**'''Templates'''
***Blank
***Stubs
***Disambiguation
***Featured Articles
**'''Games''' ''(for all other Sim games)''
**'''Community'''
***Discussions
***Websites
**EA Games (I think the Maxis category should be integrated into this one)
**''(more? Your input is required)''

Because of my own negligence the voting is now set to end April 10th, 2008. [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 01:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

===Agree===
# [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 01:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

===Neutral===

===Disagree===

===Comments===





Revision as of 02:10, 10 April 2008

This page is an archived discussion. To discuss it currently please use the talk page.


Voting Delete or Keep or Move

Delete {CAS sim pages would fill up this wikia with pointless information.) Makiah 17:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Move? I don't mind if they're kept here or not, but rather than simply deleting them, if the pages contain useful information, we could make a spin-off wiki for CAS Sims. Angela<staff /> (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Rather than making separate pages we could have 'one page' for CAS sims for all different users and delete the [rest, since most CAS sim pages are very short and contain one line (from what I have read). I know there is a page where people can talk about their CAS families. Makiah 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

] Hmmm...actually I, too, prefer the idea of making a CAS sub-wiki or separate category. The game is just as much about customization as the stories/characters/info that ship with it. I do like that idea. I just don't think such Sims should be included in the actual game info, such as being listed in Pleasantview; this could confuse those not as familiar with the game as all of us are - people just wanting general information on The Sims 2 as it ships. I'm all for making a separate area for CAS info rather than simply deleting it - either way, though, I think they need to be moved or removed from where they are now. skatoolaki 13:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

If we were to make a spin off wiki for CAS sims and families, I believe that someone else would have to step up to the plate. I just recently (Like 1-2 days ago) took the job of admin on this wiki and I don't think I'm personally ready to start another wiki just for CAS sims.
I also think it's hard for me (and anyone else who is not the beginner of the page) to expand CAS pages when they are not my sims. Thus we are left with blank pages or pages with one or two lines describing a sim, which seem a waste of space. I also don't think the categories thing will work because people tend to not always categorize everything the way it should be categorized.
Maybe instead of many different pages we could use the CAS page to describe what a CAS sim is and the talk page could be where people talk about their characters. We could merge all CAS pages together in the talk. Where older pages come in we could take the original owner's name or ip and say "SoandSo says..." then what they posted in a page(s). I don't think many people have posted their CAS sims but I think the few who have, created many pages for different characters of their families. Then we could make an announcement of the new page to post CAS sim information and archive the older pages when they get full.
I think this is a better idea than deleting them. That way members are still heard but it is differenciated between base game and CAS sims. The same thing could also be done with objects. Though I think we should cross that road when we get to it. ~ Makiah 16:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It certainly would be more work - and likely confusion - for all involved. I see your point, Makiah (and gratz on the Admin position). The idea of a Create-A-Sim page detailing what they are all about and the 'Talk' feature allowing people to describe, talk about, and share their custom made Sims sounds like a fair and efficient idea to me. That way we could take the CAS Sim pages already made on the Wiki and paste them into the 'Talk' section of that page. I'm all for that. skatoolaki 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! ^_^
I want to get this done as soon as possible so it's off the plate. So we will start the voting procedures again and disregard the old vote. Voting ends when there are 10 votes or after 2 weeks, which ever comes first (unless there is a tie, cross the road when we get there). If there is another option voting will restart again that way we include it. ~ Makiah 17:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Quick idea, what does everyone think about moving the Player stories to the talk pages of those particular characters? Not a big issue, but I think it would add neatness and allow people to sign their post. ~ Makiah 20:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm all about neatness! Whatever we can do keep the wiki clean, efficient, and informational, I'm all for it. (BTW, and hate to ask here so you can delete this afterwards, how does one go about applying to be an officer/admin-type? Thx).
Well, I'm sure Angela could give you a better explanation if mine doesn't cover any of your questions but if you want to create a sub wiki, you are the admin of it. However, if you want to be like me and take over a wiki they first determine if the admin of the wiki has been active. If they haven't edited in the past two months they are not active and you can then apply to an admin, like Angela to Adopt a Wiki. ~ Makiah 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright well the votes going to be officially closed. To be honest I didn't think we would get 10 people. But I guess since I opened it to unregistered users it upéd the vote. Alright so just in case someone else votes after this. Voting results were: 1 Delete, 2 Keep, 1 new wiki, 6 talk page, 0 other. I'll start moving the CAS sim pages to the talk page and deleting them afterwards. If anyone helps and they transfer the data from the actual page to the CAS talk page. Please report the page so I know to delete it with a simple message letting me know. I'll start most of the work tomorrow though. ~ Makiah 04:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that they be moved to the user's page or user subpages. A category could be made to keep track of them. -Lөvөl 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that would have been a great idea however because we already voted I think it's hard to re-vote. I would be willing to consider creating a new vote if there were enough people behind it. To be honest I'm happy with the solution we came up with. Makiah 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
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