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Line 1: {{archive\|t}} Anyone is able to start a discussion but make sure you discuss issues in the proper heading, please. [[User:Makiah\|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah\|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 02:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC) == Fanon wiki merge discussion == [[File:Pros and Cons of Merging with Fanon Wiki.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|Davidmc's take on the pros and cons of merging.]] Ok, after you hear this, I know that some of you may think that I am crazy, but I think we should merge [[w:c:simsfanon\|The Sims Fanon Wiki]] with The Sims Wiki. Hear me out, at the [[w:c:avatar\|Avatar wiki]], they have merged their fanon wiki with the main one. While this was initially a controversial move, they claim that it paid off, because their wiki has many more contributors and visitors, making it much more active. I think we should merge these two wikis because with [[The Sims 3: Ambitions]] coming out in June, we will need to make our wiki known to people, preferably before the release. Another reason is that I have noticed that the activity of the fanon wiki went down for a while. What better way to bring the activity back up than merge it with a more popular wiki? Thank you for listening to this and please tell me what you think. --[[User:Random Ranaun\|Random Ranaun]] 03:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC) I hear your reasoning. I support the merging of the 2 wikis! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001\|Archie]] 03:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC) ~~__TOC__~~ I don't think that would be a very good idea. I think because there would be loads more of vandalism, but I'm just an IP so what do I know? :) [[Special:Contributions/74.216.88.170\|74.216.88.170]] 03:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC) ~~== Policy on Writing and Editing [[Player stories]] ==~~ I'm assuming there was a reason for creating a separate wiki for fanon. Has that reason gone away? Will it come back if the two are combined? If the two are combined, I'd think there would have to be some way to "mark" fanon as such. How will that be handled? I'm not categorically against a merger, but I'm also not sure it's all that great of an idea. [[User:Dharden\|Dharden]] 14:30, April 6, 2010 (UTC) I would like to introduce some policy on writing and editing [[Player stories]]. Should the player stories submitted be left as-is or edited? Anything inappropriate or that contradicts existing policy should be removed immediately of course. But a lot of the stories have misspellings, bad grammar, etc. I think we need some guidelines on how much we (the editors) are allowed to edit, yet still resemble the personal style of the writer, which is the whole point of having these sections. :There were two reasons for creating a separate wiki. One Dharden mentioned, the need to mark or keep separate premade content from custom content. The second was whether an editor had the right to change something that someone else had written given that player stories are creative rather than encyclopedic. I had a [[The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 1#Policy on Writing and Editing Player stories\|brief discussion]] with a former admin. At the time I was pretty much the only one on, I didn't want to spend all my time fixing the spelling and grammar of everyone's story and decided to move the stories to subpages. At this point, I concede that merging might be a good idea. It would also make the discussion on [[The Sims Wiki talk:Project Downloads and custom content#What downloads and custom content should be included?\|what downloads and custom content should be included]] moot. --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 03:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC) ~~Points to consider:~~ I do have my concerns about increased vandalism, but, it would seem good for the community. [[User:A.P. Freeman\|Author]] 03:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC) * How long should a story be? ** We don't want them to write a novel. I suggest one paragraph, 3 to 5 sentences. * Should links to other premade Sims be included if mentioned ** I don't really care, but it would mean a lot of editing * Spelling & Grammar ** I think this should be corrected * User tags, signatures, etc. ** I think these should be kept * Personal opinions ** I think these should be kept :I personally believe the two wikis should stay divided. There must be a reason why they were made into 2 different wikis, after all! [[User:Bleeh\|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh\|talk]]) 22:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC) ~~Any other suggestions?~~ I hate to jump back onto this Wiki after being so inactive for so long to voice my opinion, but I actually don't think this is a bad idea. My reasoning: ~~-- [[User:A morris\|A morris]] 00:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)~~ 1) If I remember correctly, fans do come here and do post fan material that then needs to be moved and/or deleted by admins. Merging the two wikis makes this no longer necessary, and encourages game fans to visit and enrich themselves in knowledge of the game while posting their own content. 2) Merging the two allows the new merged wiki to capitalize on the visitors to both, increasing the number of visitors, number of editors, and number of active members. 3) Merging the two makes it easier for a visitor to find information both on the game and on fan material in one location. Additionally, even if the two were created intentionally separate, that's not necessarily a good enough reason to keep it that way. Just as there is no point in needless change, there is no point in maintaining the status quo if doing so is detrimental. It's up to the best judgment of the Admins and members here (and on the other wiki) to determine whether or not the status quo is detrimental or not - I hesitate to say that it is, though I still support their combination. :I think that's a great idea. Before I had an idea that the player stories be put on the talk pages but it would require a lot of work. However with the user tags and signatures I believe that they should put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after their player story whether they are a anonymous user or not. If a player links to other pre made sims that should be okay to. On the idea that if it was on a talk page we wouldn't have the problem of bad spelling and grammar on the actual informational part of the page. --[[User:Makiah\|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah\|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 16:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC) ~~::I think moving the player stories to the talk page is a good idea. [[User:A morris\|A morris]] 19:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)~~ :::I've started moving some stories to their talk page. I moved a ''really'' long story from [[Consort Capp]]'s page. I left the others with a note to see the talk page for more. -- [[User:A morris\|A morris]] 14:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC) :I had another idea. That of placing the player stories on a subpage of the character's page, ex. [[Bella Goth/player stories]]. That way the stories are on their own page and can even be placed in a "Player stories" category. The {{[[Template:Sim\|Sim]]}} can be edited to automatically link to the subpage as well. [[User:A morris\|-- a_morris]] 02:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC) ::Over the next couple of days I'm going to be updating the {{[[Template:Sims\|Sim]]}} to incorporate the idea a stated in and earlier message as well as some other things. Because of this many of the Sims pages will require some editing but will hopefully make the template easier to use. [[User:A morris\|-- a_morris]] 14:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC) That's just my $0.02 though. [[User:LostInRiverview\|LostInRiverview]] 23:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC) ~~== Missing premade families ==~~ :I actually never thought of those possibilities. Though, if users did add info about their own characters, there would need to be a way for other users to be able to distinguish whether or not it's a Sim that's made by Maxis. There would need to be a category, or something, which I'm sure most new-comers to the wiki wouldn't add, since Wikia is confusing enough. [[User:Bleeh\|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh\|talk]]) 23:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC) ~~Where are the families from the colleges, like Roxie Sharp and the sorority girls and such? They are still kind of a premade family, I think they should be included.~~ ~~:Good idea! Why don't you write them? Also, adding links to the characters from their neighborhoods, would be good. [[User:A morris\|-- a_morris]] 20:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)~~ ::Well, I'm not saying it wouldn't be complicated. That's why it's important to determine whether the changes are needed or desired enough to justify upsetting the status quo. [[User:LostInRiverview\|LostInRiverview]] 21:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC) ~~== Characters of Pleasant Valley ==~~ ::::C'mon people! We need to vote! We've had 16 people vote, but, no results! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001\|Archie]] 23:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC) There is "no trustworthy" link that cites the characters of The Sims 3 and should be confirmed by EA or The Sims 3. That information is speculation thus making it misleading and should be deleted! I'm going to delete it if someone else doesn't create a new article which says 'Speculation on The Sims 3' and put that worthless infomation in it. I will begin the official vote, according to our [[The Sims Wiki:Policy#\|voting procedure]], on May 1 and put an announcement on the main page. In the event of a tie, we will keep things the same, i.e. stay divided. ~~The title in the article with most of the speculation in it is 'Neighborhood Continuity'~~ Should the "We combine" option prevail, it will be followed by a discussion/vote to determine how to add the new content and the merging will begin upon its conclusion and any maintenance tasks required (ex. creating templates, etc.) Any new content may be left until a decision is made. --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 14:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC) F.Y.I. when questions were mentioned to The Sims 3 in relation to characters they typically responded with petty answers and could not confirm anything buy they did say "we're giving the game a fresh start,a new leap, in hopes for the sucess of the title" :So then, if a user makes a page about a fanon Sim, we just let it stay in the wiki until the voting is over? Or would we move it to the user namespace? If it's the first, then how would we remember to move it to the user namespace if the wikis stay divided? [[User:Bleeh\|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh\|talk]]) 20:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC) ~~Mrs. Crumblebottom is the only character confirmed in the game as of 22/7/08 - not nesseceraly meaning shes the only one lead onto this title but is confirmed.~~ ::No. After the first vote, if we are going to combine, only then will fanon pages be left as is until we decide how to deal with them. For now and if we decide to stay divided, fanon pages should be moved to the user namespace, as usual. --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 23:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC) FYI - [[w:c:user:TamBams219\|TamBams219]] has [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption#The_Sims_Fanon_Wiki_.28on_hold.29 requested to adopt The Sims Fanon Wiki]. This may have an impact on whether we will be allowed to merge the two wikis. --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC) :You are right that speculation about [[The Sims 2]] characters should not be included in the article. It has been removed. You must be a bit lenient as the game is still under developement and we have placed a disclaimer at the top of the page to that effect. Any cites and additional information you have about [[The Sims 3]] is greatly appreciated. [[User:A morris\|-- a_morris]] 00:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC) * At the present moment, I am mulling my thoughts over. I'm kind of thinking a merger would not be the worst thing. The Sims Wiki has a much more structured and, clean lay out. Of course given the time, I feel that I could equally make the Fanon Wiki just as efficent. Another plus, the fan fiction people make/compose would reach a wider audience if merged. It's a toguh decision... [[User:TamBams219\|TamBams219]] 02:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC) ~~== HELP ME!!!!!!!! ==~~ * I'm totally agains't it! Why did we make players stories after all?![[User:AGuyCalledJoe\|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC) :I can't see merging being a disaster, but I can see it being a damn pain without extremely well-laid guidelines, and possibly even with them. There needs to be more than just a category or two from fanon if the merger takes place, there needs to be clear signalling so that we can see from every link and every page whether it is fanon or Maxis/EA canon. Keeping the two separate but working out a clearer agreement or wider cross-culture some other way seems infinitely preferable. This place has potential. That (alongside the fact that I've been housebound a bit lately) are the reasons I've made so many edits here. This is already a premium site for canonical information about the Sims, and that's a great specialty that I'd like to help realise. Approach the likes of Delphy, and get more traffic flowing between this site and MTS. Get the pages really informative so that people know this is the place they can come to see a list of every lot in Sunset Valley, or a list of all the starters. Useful info like that made easily accessible. The site is already most of the way there. A fanon merger will only - I suspect - detract from the canon. People will be here for their own stories, and not for The Sims series so much. ([[User:Kiwi tea\|Kiwi tea]] 17:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)) I need help! my sims game stop working at my house, couldnt play it at all i had the seasons,pets, and freetime, well the game just stopped working, which left me to playing at realtives when i went there (you dont know my life) well at there house, cas isnt working! the loading screen pops up and then it just goes right back to neighborhood! HEEEEELLLLLPPPPPPPP MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! please! == Fanon wiki merge vote == :First, this is not a help site, it is an information site. If you are having problems you should contact [https://easims.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/easims.cfg/php/enduser/home.php?p_sid=MwtUa3hj The Sims 2 Tech Support], search help forums for other people who have the same problem or can help you. The first thing I would check would be downloads. Make sure that none of them are causing a conflict. This program might help: [http://www.simwardrobe.com Sims 2 Hack Conflict Detection Utility]. [[User:A morris\|-- a_morris]] 14:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC) The Sims Wiki and The Sims Fanon Wiki should merge. ~~== Ghosts of of Goth House TS1 ==~~ ~~Grandpa, grandma, auntie, uncle, cousin, vegas, bratty & boy? Who are those people that was buried in the Goth home in Neighborhood 1? If anyone knows, please tell me.~~ Voting is closed. ~~==What's the deal with half-siblings in TS2?==~~ In TS2, the Curious brothers are not shown as related to Lola and Chloe Singles, even though they share a father, Glarn Curious. But in another neighborhood, this one Sim fathered children with four other womenn, and I moved all of the women and their children together and the children showed the other children as their family. They too share a father. Do they have to know eachother to show their half siblings as family? Or did Maxis intend for the Curiouses and tLola and Chloe not to be related? -donlothariomustDIE {{See also\|The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Procedures\|The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Requirements}} === Agree === # --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC) # <onlyinclude>[[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001\|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#4C7D7E;"><big>Archie</big></span>]] ''[[User talk:ArchieAndrewfan3001\|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#3EA99F;"><small>Andrew</small></span>]]'' [[Special:Contributions/ArchieAndrewfan3001\|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:green;"><sub>fan</sub></span>]]</onlyinclude> # [[User:Aurora Harmony\|Aurora]] 04:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Petty773\|Petty773]] 16:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:TamBams219\|TamBams219]] 20:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:Random Ranaun\|Random Ranaun]] 05:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC) # --[[User:Auror Andrachome\|Auror. plus the great Andrachome]] 04:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I've decided that I will agree # --[[User:Walker guy94\|Walker guy94]] ([[User_talk:Walker guy94\|talk]]) 13:11, May 8, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:A.P. Freeman\|Author]] 16:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC) I wanna see how it goes. # Yay! More pages! [[User:Salemguy123\|Salem. Guy. 123]] 21:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:Elfears\|Elfears]] 21:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC) I would like that * Hello. I'm an unregistered contributor! I'm not sure if I can vote but look at the facts. This wiki is very slow. Wikis like Avatar and Kingdom Hearts, have twice the many users we do. It's pretty sad. So I'm hoping that the merge will help us out. [[Special:Contributions/98.242.115.205\|98.242.115.205]] 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) === Neutral === # [[User:Dharden\|Dharden]] 05:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC) === Disagree === # --[[User:Bleeh\|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh\|talk]]) 03:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Bet I'll be the only one, but so be it. I definitely disagree with the option to merge, but hey, it's not my wiki anyways. # --[[User:Sparrowsong\|Sparrowsong]] 04:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC) # -- [[User:Kiwi tea\|Kiwi tea]] 09:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I know I'm new, and I can see the arguments in favour of this, but I see it making a mess. I have extensive Fanon for Riverblossom Hills. Now that would make things confusing! I'm sure I'm only one of hundreds like that. # --<onlyinclude>'''[[UserDavidMC123:\|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">David</span>]][[User talk:DavidMC123\|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:black;">MC</span>]][[Special:Contributions/DavidMC123\|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">123</span>]]'''</onlyinclude> 14:13 Saturday, May 01, 2010 (UTC) (I think that's the right time)I have made an image of pros and cons. [[:File:Pros_and_Cons_of_Merging_with_Fanon_Wiki.jpg\|Here is the image.]] # [[User:AGuyCalledJoe\|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC) It would make a complete mess, people will be confused and they will probably wont know if a sim is fanon or not this is the same as when there was a discussion with the SimCity games of the MySims besides this wiki is about The Sims Series not The Sims Fanon Series >.> # [[User:Mischem6\|Mischem6]] 00:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:Deftera\|Deftera]] 18:17, May 4, 2010 (UTC) # [[User:LostInRiverview\|LostInRiverview]] 02:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC) While I personally agree with (or am at most neutral about) the idea of merging, I can see that quite a few people here are against the merge. Therefore, I'm voting against it, because I don't think we should go into something like this with a less than clear concensus, which I see we fail to have at the moment. # [[User:Guffers\|Guffers]] 13:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) It would get to complicated as people wouldn't bother to mark their stuff as CC. And anyway, does the Fanon Wiki want to merge? # --[[User:Lewislew\|Lewislew]] 16:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC) I disagree, it would just make this confusing and pointless! # [[User:UBFunkaneer\|UBFunkaneer]] 21:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC) On the Spore Wiki, there was more Fanon than Canon. The same'll happen here. And if someone accidentally made a sim with the same name as a future sim, they'd be yelled at vandalism they did not commit. # I agree with Funkaneer. [[User:RaikuLuciferSamiyaza\|RaikuLuciferSamiyaza]] 00:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC) == Fanon wiki merge vote results == Final count: :Agree: 45% :Neutral: 5% :Disagree: 50% As the majority did not agree with the merge, the two wikis will remain separate. --[[User:A_morris\|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris\|talk]])</small> 21:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC) It was 12 agree and 12 disagree get the neutral to decide whether he agrees or disagrees and then make the desision