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{{info|Information|Here you can post updates on what you're working on or a notice to others concerned with the development of the wiki. For general discussion see the [[The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal talk]] and for minor news see the [[The Sims Wiki:Development Portal|Development Portal main page]].}}
 
== Giving TS4 Headshots Black Background ==
==[[Special:UnusedFiles]] is being faulty==
It has been a while that I noticed [[Special:UnusedFiles]] has been listing images that are actually used ''somewhere'' in this wiki erroneously. I've noticed this for long, and I thought it would fix itself some time in the future, but no. It hasn't been fixed and it's still being faulty. For example, this file [[:File:CamrynMcGaw.png]] is said to be unused, while it really is used on [[Camryn McGaw]]. Even the file page says it's not used anywhere in this wiki. If you try to clean up the unused files in that page, please be careful with this, as you might accidentally delete used images. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 09:59, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
Is it an idea, that like the TS2 headshots and the TS3 headshots to give all TS4 headshots a black background as well? It might not be necessary, but it gives the wikia a consistent look doesn't it? I'd like to hear your thoughts [[User:DeSims|<b><span style="font-family:AR Bonnie"><span style="color:#00ac35"><span style="font-size:23px">D</span>e</span><span style="font-size:19px"><span style="color:#0075ac"><span style="font-size:23px">S</span><span style="font-size:19px">ims</span></span></span></span></b>]] [[User_talk:DeSims|<span style="font-family:Papyrus"><span style="color:#0075ac"><sup><small>(talk)</small></sup></span></span>]] 19:59, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
:I've had (and as I last checked, currently having) this problem on my [http://tlaststand.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles other wiki]. I emailed Wikia and was informed that "A server might've lagged behind". Though when I got the response the page had already updated, so the issue wasn't investigated any further. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just checked [[Special:UnusedFiles]] and it was updated not too long ago. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:09, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
==Updating {{t|Pagecover}}==
::It was updated not too long ago, but the issue is still there. There are still many used images that are listed unused, even if the pages that use them are never touched. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 11:35, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
{{Asterisk}}''Blows dust off the Development Portal Talk Page''{{Asterisk}}
 
So, I have no idea where else I would start a discussion related to this. Here goes!
==Trait categories and pages for TS4 vs TS3 traits==
A couple weeks ago [[Trait (The Sims 4)]] was created. It only makes sense that we would have separate articles for traits in the major releases, so my issue isn't with the creation of that page. However, I renamed ''Trait'' to [[Trait (The Sims 3)]], since the content of that page deals almost exclusively with TS3 traits. I have since been having [[User:LiRBot|LiRBot]] fix a lot of the redirect/bad links left over from the page move, after which I intend to re-write ''Trait'' to be a generic article not focused on traits in one particular game.
 
As I've been working on the [[Forum:New infobox design|new infobox conversion]], I've started to wonder whether some of our other wiki templates may benefit from a re-working of their existing code. To that end, I took a copy of [[Template:Pagecover]] over to [[w:c:lir-test|my test wiki]] and redesigned it so that the base code for the template is located in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, instead of within the template itself (through in-line css). After a couple hours' worth of work, I think I've got the template fully converted. As far as I can tell, it functions exactly the same as the present Pagecover, save for two deliberate and minor changes. However, I can't be ''totally sure'' that the template does work in 100% of cases, and as {{t|Pagecover}} is used on (by my estimate) about 500 pages on the wiki, I wanted to see if anyone else (''*cough*[[User:Nikel23|Nikel23]]*cough*'') could take a look at the template and css code and see if they could spot any deficiencies or bugs.
My question is, are we going to have separate categories for traits in TS3 vs TS4? For instance, [[Hopeless Romantic]] is (IIRC) a trait that will appear in ''TS4''. So, do we create a new page for Hopeless Romantic (named ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 4)'') and a new category for Sims who are Hopeless Romantics in TS4? Or, do we use the same pages and categories for both? - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:01, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
Like I said, I'm pretty sure that the template is fully converted, so the css code for the template's functionality has been added to The Sims Wiki's [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]] page (but not yet added to "[[MediaWiki:Common.css]]"). I have also put the new template code at [[Template:Pagecover/test]] for further experimentation and tweaks. Any assistance that anyone could lend would be appreciated!
:For categories, I think it's okay if we combine both games. Many games share the same categories, like zodiac sign and appearances. [[:Category:Sims by job|Careers]] are a good example for this, since many careers in different games have similar names, are described differently, but share the same categories. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 15:39, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
::Ok, that sounds alright. But what about the trait pages themselves? Taking the example of careers, we tend to keep careers from different games on the same page if they have the same name. So, would we continue to do this with TS4 traits that duplicate TS3 traits? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 15:43, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
P.S. the two aforementioned "minor changes" from "old" Pagecover to "new" Pagecover are:
:::I'm not quite sure. Every TS3 trait page is pretty much individual, and has consistent layout. Combining it with TS4 trait seems like it will mess up the layout (some trait pages are for TS3, some for TS4, and some for both). Personally, just for the sake of the consistent layout, I'd rather separate the trait pages. It's not really a strong reason though, as it's just a personal preference. [[User:Nikel23|'''<span style="color:#007FFF; text-shadow: #ACE5EE 0 4px 4px;">Nikel</span>''']] [[User talk:Nikel23|<span style="color: #30D5C8 ; text-shadow: #00FFEF 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Talk''</sub></span>]] <sub>–</sub> [[The Sims Wiki:Featured Media/Voting|<span style="color:red ; text-shadow:#E97451 0 4px 4px;"><sub>''Vote!''</sub></span>]] 16:10, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
* There is no "''noname''" parameter in the "new" design - in the "old" design, this parameter would stop the header and text from displaying on top of the image, allowing a user to use Pagecover as a sort of "large image frame." (see [[User blog:LostInRiverview/Apartments in The Sims 4: City Living|this blog post of mine]] for a real-world example of this feature in action) In the "new" design, the "''name''" parameter is no longer mandatory and, if left blank, the header and all text will be kept invisible, even if other text parameters are filled in. This change should not affect the appearance of the template in instances where "''noname''" is invoked, since it will be a blank parameter with no built-in functionality; additionally, in those cases, "''name''" already would've been left blank, so the overall effect will be the same either way.
::::If we take that approach, we'll have to rename all the pages with traits whose names are shared. So if Hopeless Romantic is a trait in TS4, we'll have a page named ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 3)'' and ''Hopeless Romantic (The Sims 4)''. So there will be a bit of work involved in making the pages separate. - '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 19:08, May 26, 2014 (UTC)
* There is no "''toc''" parameter in the new design. Anecdotally it seems that the table of contents feature in "old" pagecover is very rarely used, so it seems pointless to include it in the new design.
:::::Also, if we go that route, wouldn't we have to create a new navigation template for TS4 traits? That would mean renaming {{t|Traits}} to something else. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 17:10, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::Also, if we go that route, wouldn't we have to create a new navigation template for TS4 traits? That would mean renaming {{t|Traits}} to something else.Thanks -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<fontspan colorstyle="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</fontspan>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~· [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 1708:1009, MayFebruary 2711, 20142018 (UTC)
==New users not being welcomed==
[[Special:Contributions/‎73.190.48.34|‎73.190.48.34]], [[Special:Contributions/‎68.45.246.114|‎68.45.246.114]], [[Special:Contributions/50.156.12.84|50.156.12.84]], etc. are new editors to the wiki. The only problem is, for some reason Wikia hasn't sent them a welcome message yet.
 
== Families from... ==
I asked on Community Central Chat and was told that the bot was "sometimes slow", so I let it slide. It's been several hours and still no welcome message. Think this is another Wikia issue, probably broke some code or their bot is down. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:47, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
I personally think that the Families from categories (ie [[:Category:Families from The Sims 4 (base game)|this category]]) should be renamed into "Households from <nowiki><game> <pack></nowiki>". Since there are households that aren't blood related, such as the [[Roomies household (Sunset Valley)|Roomies household]] and the [[BFF household]]. Other categories including families should also be replaced. Also, they're just officially known as households vs. families. Maybe separate categories could work too.
:Note: Welcome messages aren't appearing for any other wiki too. This isn't related to just our wiki. Hopefully Staff has figured it out by now and will have a fix ready soon. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:49, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
Sorry if this is in the wrong place btw, I'm not really familiar with this wiki. --<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">'''akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:EarthlingnAkumi|<span style="color: purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 16:26, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
::This has been happening since few months back when I was still active in the wiki. The welcome messages will still appear in next few hours though and waiting for almost half a day is normal to me. Nothing we can do exactly about them right now. --{{FWSig}} 11:57, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
:That's not a bad suggestion. Unfortunately, it's not simply as easy as renaming a few pages. Categories, unlike articles and templates, cannot be renamed once they are created. In order to do as you've suggested, we'd have to create brand new category pages and then delete the old ones. Even then, this still is not an insurmountable obstacle. What ''would'' be difficult, however, would be the second part of your suggestion; splitting categories. Right now, the template {{t|Infobox family}} auto-categorizes family/household pages, but there is no mechanism built into the template as of now to differentiate between a family and a household. It is possible to create such a thing, but I'd wonder whether the end result is worth the effort. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 16:31, June 8, 2019 (UTC)
:::Okay, sent in a bug report to Wikia. Will hopefully get a response soon. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 19:52, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::While the Wikia had this problemHmm, shouldthat's allfair. of--<span thestyle="color: userspurple; give a welcome messages to the contributors and the registered users or admins only?font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:ThePeculiarMeEarthlingnAkumi|'''<span style="color:#151B54 purple; font-weight:bold;">ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|akumi'''</span>]] [[User talk:ThePeculiarMeEarthlingnAkumi|'''<span style="color:#800000 purple; font-weight:bold;">(talk to me)</span>''']]</span> 1118:1149, MayJune 288, 20142019 (UTC)
 
==TS4 neighborhood categorizing bug==
:::::The MediaWiki settings always sign welcome messages with an admin's signature. If there are no active admins it is signed by a Staff member. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:47, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
For awhile now, we've had an issue where TS4 neighborhood pages (not ''world'' pages, but the pages about the neighborhoods within the worlds) were getting categorized into [[:Category:Neighborhoods in]], which is a glitch category. I am happy to say that, with a single exception, that is no longer a problem and all TS4 neighborhood pages should now be automatically categorizing properly.
::::::The bot signs it with a member of the administrative team or staff, but there's no particular reason why regular users wouldn't be allowed to give welcome messages themselves. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 14:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
The issue was in the way that {{t|Infobox neighborhood}} assigned categories. The infobox would take the input name of the neighborhood, and cross-check it against {{t|Checkgame}}; the purpose of that template is to simply say which base game a particular world/neighborhood belongs to. The problem is that Checkgame only included the TS4 worlds, but did not include the TS4 neighborhoods. When I thought about it a bit, I realized that having a template to check which game a neighborhood/world appears in is unnecessary. So I reworked Infobox Neighborhood so that it looks for the game parameter instead of the neighborhood's name, and then checks to see if the game is on the {{t|MGL}}. The MGL outputs a code for the base game, even if the name that is input is an expansion/game/stuff pack, and then I plug that output into {{t|Vgcode}} to spit out the full name of the base game. I did it this way because our current operating principle has been to categorize all neighborhoods/worlds within a given game together, even if some were introduced in expansions (for instance, we don't have a category [[:Category:Neighborhoods in The Sims 2: Seasons]], even though that expansion introduced [[Riverblossom Hills]]).
:::::::I mean that a normal user would've give a welcome message to the new editors, however, the sign must be an active admin or a Wikia Staff (if that particular user knows the staffs and the admins well) and not themselves. [[User:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#151B54">ThePeculiarMe</span>''']] <span style="color:#0000A0">|</span> [[User talk:ThePeculiarMe|'''<span style="color:#800000">(talk to me)</span>''']] 15:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
The end result of all these workings is that neighborhood pages for TS4 no longer need to be manually categorized into "Category:Neighborhoods from The Sims 4" or "Category:<world> neighborhoods"; the template will do both automatically. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at {{t|Infobox world}} as well and try to prevent similar problems on that front. My goal is to make it so that {{t|Checkgame}} isn't used on any templates and can be deleted.
::::::::If a user is posting a welcome message, they should use their own signature. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 15:33, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
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:::::::::Got the following response from Wikia:
 
==[[Template:User contributions]]==
<blockquote>Hello K6ka,
{{t|User contributions}}, which is a userbox for user pages, is currently broken. The template references [[Special:Editcount]] in order to work, but as you can see, that page no longer exists. Does anyone know a different way to fetch a user's edit count, or will we need to scrap the userbox? -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] · [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 20:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention - it does appear the tool has broken down. I'll flag it up to the technical team, and we'll investigate what has gone wrong.
 
Apologies for this issue, and best regards,
 
George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn)
Wikia Community Support
 
</blockquote>
 
:::::::::--'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 21:57, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::::::Bringing this up right now - users can welcome new users with the {{t|Welcome}} and {{t|WelcomeIP}} templates. Be sure to read the documentation at the bottom of those pages. Monitor [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] and look for users that have a red "Talk" link (meaning they do not have a talk page). If they do not have "STAFF", "HELPER", "WIKIA STAR", or "VSTF" next to their username in the user header box, then you can add a template. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 17:09, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
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Update: Bot is back up and running. Thanks guys. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User talk:K6ka|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]]) 11:00, May 30, 2014 (UTC)