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{{Closed|closed|2=Thread is completely incoherent; nothing is evidently being proposed. β€”[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] Β· [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 13:51, December 4, 2019 (UTC)}}

I think wiki projects should come back cause we have Beds/Joey.eyeball\Frostwalker/Icemandeaf/Woganhemlock/RR
I think wiki projects should come back cause we have Beds/Joey.eyeball\Frostwalker/Icemandeaf/Woganhemlock/RR


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{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - Several of those users have not left the wiki indefinitely. Some of those users are currently busy and don't have much time to edit at the moment. Also the circumstances have not changed since the [[Forum:Reusing inactive admin policy|last time]] someone tried to suggest readopting wiki projects or inactive admin policies. And the consensus was that they were not needed, and that as long as a user doesn't come back and abuse their rights, there is no reason why they should be pressured to stay active or have their rights revoked. ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">contribs</font>]])</span> 01:20, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose''' - Several of those users have not left the wiki indefinitely. Some of those users are currently busy and don't have much time to edit at the moment. Also the circumstances have not changed since the [[Forum:Reusing inactive admin policy|last time]] someone tried to suggest readopting wiki projects or inactive admin policies. And the consensus was that they were not needed, and that as long as a user doesn't come back and abuse their rights, there is no reason why they should be pressured to stay active or have their rights revoked. ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">contribs</font>]])</span> 01:20, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
*I'm afraid it isn't evident what you are even proposing here. β€”[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] Β· [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 01:23, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
Agreed [[User:Cassandra1201|Talk to me]] ([[User talk:Cassandra1201|talk]]) 01:51, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
*So you're agreeing with me that your current proposal here is utterly incoherent? β€”[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] Β· [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 02:00, December 3, 2019 (UTC)
{{VoteAgainst}} '''Oppose'''. I'm not really in the mood to rehash ancient history, so I'll just say that there were several good reasons why the Inactive Admin Policy was repealed in the first place, and few if any of those reasons have changed. The main things to note: it's hard to define whether someone is "active" or "inactive," and thus hard to form a policy around that; this kind of policy can encourage low-effort or low-value contributions by administrators/bureaucrats in order to maintain their rights; and we have no ability to demote inactive bureaucrats, whose rights can be removed only by themselves or by Wikia/FANDOM staff. It should be noted that, when the policy was in effect, Staff outright refused to enforce it, on the grounds that Staff only demote local bureaucrats if they've done something to deserve it; simply being inactive isn't grounds for removal, from their perspective. For what it's worth, I happen to agree with that assessment, and thus my opposition to reinstating the policy goes beyond the practical challenges of doing so. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<span style="color:navy;">LostInRiverview</span>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] Β· [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]] Β· [[Special:Contributions/LostInRiverview|<font color="green">contribs</font>]]</sup>''' 03:03, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

What about dusky and kaznoyouko Bob newbie is kL and miakh and <small>β€”Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Cassandra1201|Cassandra1201]] ([[User talk:Cassandra1201|talk]] β€’ [[Special:Contributions/Cassandra1201|contribs]]) 10:24, December 4, 2019β€Ž (UTC) - [[Help:Signatures|Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>]]</small>
:Well, I have to admit, I would support demoting the Bureaucrats that were previously Administrators, and the Bureaucrats that were never flagged as Administrators to begin with. But aside from them, I would not supporting any of the current Bureaucrats or Administrators. ― <span style="font:bold 108% 'Constantia';">[[User:C.Syde65|<font color="#800020">C.Syde</font>]]</span> <span style="font: 108% 'Adobe Garamond Pro';">([[User talk:C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/C.Syde65|<font color="#000000">contribs</font>]])</span> 11:52, December 4, 2019 (UTC)

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Thread is completely incoherent; nothing is evidently being proposed. β€”k6ka 🍁 (Talk Β· Contributions) 13:51, December 4, 2019 (UTC)

I think wiki projects should come back cause we have Beds/Joey.eyeball\Frostwalker/Icemandeaf/Woganhemlock/RR

No one has picked up this site wiki activity is mostly random users Cassandra1201 (talk) 01:14, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

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Oppose - Several of those users have not left the wiki indefinitely. Some of those users are currently busy and don't have much time to edit at the moment. Also the circumstances have not changed since the last time someone tried to suggest readopting wiki projects or inactive admin policies. And the consensus was that they were not needed, and that as long as a user doesn't come back and abuse their rights, there is no reason why they should be pressured to stay active or have their rights revoked. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:20, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid it isn't evident what you are even proposing here. β€”k6ka 🍁 (Talk Β· Contributions) 01:23, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed Talk to me (talk) 01:51, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

  • So you're agreeing with me that your current proposal here is utterly incoherent? β€”k6ka 🍁 (Talk Β· Contributions) 02:00, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

Oppose. I'm not really in the mood to rehash ancient history, so I'll just say that there were several good reasons why the Inactive Admin Policy was repealed in the first place, and few if any of those reasons have changed. The main things to note: it's hard to define whether someone is "active" or "inactive," and thus hard to form a policy around that; this kind of policy can encourage low-effort or low-value contributions by administrators/bureaucrats in order to maintain their rights; and we have no ability to demote inactive bureaucrats, whose rights can be removed only by themselves or by Wikia/FANDOM staff. It should be noted that, when the policy was in effect, Staff outright refused to enforce it, on the grounds that Staff only demote local bureaucrats if they've done something to deserve it; simply being inactive isn't grounds for removal, from their perspective. For what it's worth, I happen to agree with that assessment, and thus my opposition to reinstating the policy goes beyond the practical challenges of doing so. -- LostInRiverview talk Β· blog Β· contribs 03:03, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

What about dusky and kaznoyouko Bob newbie is kL and miakh and β€”Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra1201 (talk β€’ contribs) 10:24, December 4, 2019β€Ž (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~~~~

Well, I have to admit, I would support demoting the Bureaucrats that were previously Administrators, and the Bureaucrats that were never flagged as Administrators to begin with. But aside from them, I would not supporting any of the current Bureaucrats or Administrators. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 11:52, December 4, 2019 (UTC)