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IRC Channel operator requests are '''closed''' on {{SITENAME}}, as per [[Forum:Revising Chat Moderator and IRC Operator requests|this discussion]]. Requests will re-open after a discussion of possible reforms to the request process.
IRC Channel operator requests are almost always '''open''' on {{SITENAME}}.


==Minimum requirements==
==Minimum requirements==
If you feel that you are a valuable member of the [[The Sims Wiki:IRC Channel|IRC channel]] and you think you would benefit from channel operator flags, this is where to apply. The minimum requirements are:
If you feel that you are a valuable member of the [[The Sims Wiki:IRC Channel|IRC channel(s)]] and you think you would benefit from channel operator flags, this is where to apply. The minimum requirements are:
*An account on the IRC network for the channel you're requesting flags for. (i.e. If you're requesting chanop for the freenode channel, you need to have an account on irc.freenode.net. If you're requesting chanop for the ChatLounge channel, you need to have an account on irc.chatlounge.net)
*An account on irc.freenode.net
*An account on The Sims Wiki. You may be asked to verify the link between your on-wiki and your IRC identity. A good way to do this is to use NickServ's SET PROPERTY feature; see <code>/msg NickServ help set property</code> on how to use it. You can view any values you set with this feature using the <code>/msg NickServ taxonomy</code> command.
*Fair knowledge of operating an IRC channel.
*Fair knowledge of operating an IRC channel and with using IRC in general.
*Being highly active in the channel
*Being highly active in the channel
:*Applying for this should not be the first thing you do after joining IRC for the first time.
:*Applying for this should not be the first thing you do after joining IRC for the first time.
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*A record of civil behavior
*A record of civil behavior
:*If you're constantly being told not to mess around then you're not ready for this.
:*If you're constantly being told not to mess around then you're not ready for this.
*Prerequisites — before you can become an Op, you must already be a HalfOp. Before you can become a SuperOp, you must already be an Op.


Please be sure you read [[The Sims Wiki:IRC Channel Operators]] carefully in order to understand what channel operators are all about before applying.

==Application procedure==
=== Stage 1: Nominating ===
=== Stage 1: Nominating ===
#Users may nominate themselves for IRC channel operator flags.
*Users may nominate themselves or other users for IRC operator rights.
#Multiple requests at one time are allowed.
*Multiple requests at one time are allowed.
#Operator candidates that are not given any additional privileges are ineligible to be nominated or to nominate themselves for at least a month.
*Operator candidates that are not given any additional privileges are ineligible to be nominated or to nominate themselves for at least a month.


=== Stage 2: Voting ===
=== Stage 2: Discussion ===
*A period of discussion shall last at least five days.
#Users may support, be neutral toward, or oppose the requst. Users '''must''' provide a reason behind their position.
:*If a request will clearly not achieve a favorable consensus (i.e. there is absolutely no support for promotion) - in other words, the request doesn't have a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Snowball clause|"snowball's chance"]] of passage - it may be closed early.
#Users must be active in the IRC channel in order to vote.
*After five days of discussion, it shall be determined whether a consensus is in favor of a user being given operator rights. If there is a consensus, rights will be awarded. If there is clearly no consensus for a user to be promoted, the discussion is ended and rights will not be awarded.
#Everyone's vote counts as one vote. Admins do not hold extra power.
*In cases where consensus is not clear after five days, discussion will continue for three additional days.
#A bureaucrat will then determine whether consensus has been reached. This means that IRC channel operator requests require at least a two-thirds support rate to pass. <u>Strength of argument is more important than the number of votes.</u>
:*If, after this time, there is no clear consensus for promotion, the nomination will end and the nominee will not be promoted. ''This will occur even if a consensus against promotion does not exist.''
#Admins and bureaucrats may vote on a request. However, a bureaucrat who votes on a request and later reviews the request must review according to the vote result, not their personal opinion of the nominee.
#Votes may be closed early if it is obvious that consensus against it will not be reached. (e.g. 6+ support and 0 oppose)


===Note===
== What you will do as an IRC channel operator ==
Administrators, bureaucrats, and other channel operators may moderate discussions and votes and determine consensus, but only SuperOps and higher may award rights to successful nominees. Administrators, bureaucrats, and channel operators may participate in discussions and vote, but must be impartial when moderating, determining consensus, and awarding rights.
*Protect the channel from disruptive behavior by warning, quieting, kicking and/or banning disruptive individuals.
*Maintain an active presence in the channel so that it's more easily moderated; it's not worth having these rights if you're hardly ever in the channel.


==Guidelines for discussion and consensus==
== What you may not do as an IRC channel operator ==
*Use your operator privileges to take advantage of users or to control the channel.
* All registered users may participate in a nomination for IRC channel operator; however, more weight will be given to arguments made by users who frequent the IRC channel.
* Points of discussion should be focused on assessing the ability of a nominee to perform their duties. Discussion should avoid sweeping praise or generalizations (e.g. "he/she is a good editor" or "he/she deserves it"), and focus instead on specific reasons why a user is or is not a good fit for the position.
*Ignore the needs and wants of IRC users.
* Users engaged in discussion may contradict the points raised by another user, but should remain respectful at all times. Back-and-forth arguments between two users should be avoided.
*Abuse rights by using them incorrectly, for personal reasons or against non-disruptive users.
* Generally, consensus in a request can be determined by answering these questions:
*Use the privileges unneccesarily. For example giving out voice to users when the channel isn't muted or opping yourself unnecessarily/keeping op when you have no need for it.
** Are there major and specific problems raised by multiple users regarding the nominee?
** Is there a lack of agreement between users over whether a nominee is qualified, capable of serving or a good fit for the role?
* If the answer to these questions is 'no', there likely exists a consensus for the nomination.


== Open requests ==
== Open requests ==
To file a request, edit the appropriate section (i.e. HalfOp, Op, and SuperOp), and then copy and paste the following text:
<!-- EXAMPLE REQUEST

=== [[User:Example|Example]] ===
<pre>
==== [[User:Example|Example]] ====
{{userlinks|Example}}
{{userlinks|Example}}
* Network: Network
Reason for request here. ~~~~
</pre>


* Replace '''Example''' with your username.
* Replace '''Network''' with either ''freenode'' or ''ChatLounge'', depending on the channel you're applying for.
* Replace '''Reason for request here''' with your nomination statement.
* Do NOT remove the '''~~<nowiki/>~~'''; this will automatically be converted into your [[Help:Signature|signature]] when you save the page.

===HalfOp===
<!-- EXAMPLE REQUEST, DO NOT REMOVE
==== [[User:Example|Example]] ====
{{userlinks|Example}}
* Network: Network
Reason for request here. ~~~~
Reason for request here. ~~~~
-->
-->


===Op===
== Closed requests ==
<!-- EXAMPLE REQUEST, DO NOT REMOVE
=== [[User:DanPin|DanPin]] ===
==== [[User:Example|Example]] ====
{{userlinks|DanPin}}
{{userlinks|Example}}
* Network: Network
Reason for request here. ~~~~
-->


===SuperOp===
I'd like to apply for IRC Channel operator rights. Sometimes I see that the channel is pretty much unattended (since the admin team isn't online or is doing other stuff at that time and thus, not paying attention to what's going on) and I believe that another person who is usually on or the most part of the day could be another hand to help.
<!-- EXAMPLE REQUEST, DO NOT REMOVE
==== [[User:Example|Example]] ====
{{userlinks|Example}}
* Network: Network
Reason for request here. ~~~~
-->


== Closed requests ==
I used to be an administrator here on the Wiki, so I know how to work with the tools provided. I try to remain civil at all times, although I get sidetracked from that on occasion.
===HalfOp===

I am now leaving this request open for discussion and also looking forward to seeing what comes from here.

{{DanPinSig}}22:14, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
:{{VoteFor}}'''Support''' - While he can get a little bit carried away at times, DanPin is almost unarguably the most active user in the channel and back when he was an admin, his possession of operator flags did prove beneficial and I'm confident giving him another shot at this will be equally as beneficial. The aforementioned issue of him getting carried away is only a little thing and hasn't hampered his attitude towards other users and his ability to maintain the channel. {{LabSig}} 22:17, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
::{{VoteFor}}'''Support''' - As roserade and labyrinth have both stated their reasons (which I agree with), there's not much else to say. [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 22:18, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
:::{{voteFor}} '''Support''' - Since you used to have the flags I don't see why you shouldn't have them back again, especially since they weren't forcefully removed. {{WHsig|23:56, January 20, 2013 (UTC)}}
::::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:10, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{VoteFor}} '''Weak support''' —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
::::::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - Though he has on some occasions gotten a little out of hand, it hasn't seemed to affect his ability to moderate the channel. I believe the channel would be better off if he had the flags, as the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. [[User:MrBenC|Ben]] ([[User talk:MrBenC|talk]]) 05:15, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::'''Approved'''. {{LabSig}} 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

=== [[User:Xd1358|Xd1358]] ===
{{userlinks|Xd1358}}

I might not be the most active guy on the wiki, but I'm around on the IRC channel pretty much whenever I am on the computer (yeah, pretty much). I used to be a channel op back in 2011 however it was deemed unnecessary at some point. I'm in the UTC+2 timezone, meaning I'm usually around before UTC people start coming online and after Wogan goes to bed (:3) so I guess having me as op would make sure some additional hours of a day would be covered.

I'm pretty active in #wikia-sims and I'm also an op elsewhere, so I know how the tools work. I try to stay calm and civil and I think I do a pretty good job at it.

I guess that's about it. Feel free to ask me questions if there's any. [[User:Xd1358|<span style="color:#336600;font-weight:bold;">1358</span>]] [[User_talk:Xd1358|<sup style="color:#336600;">(Talk)</sup>]] 22:25, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

''Note: Everything that was here previously can be found in the page history, I cut it down to save space. {{LabSig}} 08:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)''

:{{VoteFor}} '''Support'''. Alright, I've read over what is written above, but it doesn't change my opinion of Xd and his ability to fairly op the channel. To me, the points above don't seem strongly substantiated, at least not enough to deny something that they're otherwise quite capable of. Aside from joking, I haven't seen him do anything which I view as being worthy of denying him this position outright. Certainly I can list things done or said by myself and other IRC ops/wiki admins that would be much worse than 'feeding the trolls'.

:On the subject of that... it seems to me pretty unfair that the points above are even being brought up. I as a wiki admin am entitled to IRC op on the channel, even if I'm a terrible op and am rude to everyone on the channel, troll, etc. I can be a completely terrible person and, unless someone chooses to make a fuss on the wiki to get my adminship revoked, they'd have no power to eliminate me. But just because Xd isn't an admin, he's now held to a higher standard when he volunteers to take on a position. It's a double standard.

:Ultimately though this comes down to a matter of confidence. Do I have the confidence that Xd knows how to operate a channel? Certainly the fact that he has operated others proves this - he could run circles around me any day of the week, as far as the technical aspects of running the channel are concerned. Do I believe that Xd will be fair to people using the channel? I believe that if given the flags, he will fairly adhere to and enforce whatever channel policies are put in place (the fact that we have very few written channel policies is another issue entirely). Do I believe that Xd will be civil and decent towards others? Again, nothing I've seen in his history leads me to believe that he would be any worse off than myself or the other ops on the channel, because in one or another way we've all done this sort of stuff.
:-- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:06, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - I have also read what's above, and I have chosen to support for reasons similar to LiR's. I have spent a lot of time with Ecks on IRC (and while playing Minecraft), and I see that he can be serious when it's time to be serious. In my opinion, he was a good op back when he had the flags and I also hang out in channels where he happens to have op flags and he knows what he is doing. Also, I believe that Lab's concerns about all the Minecraft talking are a bit exaggerated as in the summer of 2011 lots of people used to talk about Big Brother and those who didn't like it did nothing, so I guess that that argument is a bit unreasonable. {{DanPinSig}}07:26, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
:::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - The way I see it, Ecks would make a great channel operator, and I know because he's been one before, as well as being an op in a bunch of other channels. Yeah, I get what concerns people have, but in my opinion at least operator status isn't a big deal and I don't think he'd abuse it. {{WHsig|07:56, January 21, 2013 (UTC)}}
::::{{VoteFor}}'''Weak support''' - Okay I've thought about this a little bit more on a personal level and I've come to the conclusion that maybe this wasn't worth a vehement oppose. My concerns with Xd feeding the trolls, occasional bad taste jokes and perceived inability to accept when he's in the wrong do still stand out to me as concerning issues. Now to drop the negativity and explain why I've changed to a support vote. Yes he's experienced, yes he knows what he's doing and no I don't think he'll maliciously abuse the rights. The fact that he's experienced and more likely than not knows how to deal with something does ''slightly'' overwhelm my concerns and I'm hoping that nothing will happen to change the scale unfavorably towards him. I, and I'm pretty sure you as well, didn't want to see all that unpleasantness back there and for that I apologize. Good luck! :) {{LabSig}} 08:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{VoteFor}} '''Weak support''' - Per Lab. —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
::::::{{VoteFor}} <strike>'''Weak support'''</strike> - After some further consideration, and the belief he knows how to be serious when necessary. '''Changed to Support''' -- [[User:MrBenC|Ben]] ([[User talk:MrBenC|talk]]) 12:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::'''Approved'''. {{LabSig}} 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

=== [[User:MrBenC|MrBenC]] ===
{{userlinks|MrBenC}}

I'll admit I'm still something of a newbie to wikis in general, but I have extensive IRC experience, and I'm also familiar with the commands. I am Op in many other channels and aside from some trolls, I receive no complaints from an of my decisions.


===Op===
I would also like to think I'm well regarded, that I'm familiar with the culture of the channel, and that I'm reasonably active on the channel, as evidenced by the statistics page that I run. Speaking of which, it would be nice that if necessary, I could take direct action against anyone who abuses the bots to flood the channel.


===SuperOp===
[[User:MrBenC|Ben]] ([[User talk:MrBenC|talk]]) 22:36, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
:{{VoteFor}}'''<s>Neutral leaning towards support</s>''' - While I know you're active, there are times when you may not be the most responsive user around in order to deal with something that could require some operator input. That said you seem to know what you're doing and I can't think of any other major issues so I don't think it would be problematic if we gave you the rights. '''Changed to Support'''. {{LabSig}} 22:49, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - Its obvious that you know what you're doing and are experienced with IRC and are pretty well known in the channel. {{WHsig|23:51, January 20, 2013 (UTC)}}
:::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - The advantages (extensive IRC experience and knowledge of commands) of having Ben as an OP definitely outweigh the disadvantages (unresponsive at times). [[User:Auror Andrachome|Ѧüя◎ґ]] ([[User talk:Auror Andrachome|talk]]) 01:26, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
::::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''', as what Auror said. -- '''[[User:LostInRiverview|<font color="navy">LostInRiverview</font>]]<sup> [[User_talk:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">talk</font>]] ~ [[User_blog:LostInRiverview|<font color="green">blog</font>]]</sup>''' 04:09, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
:::::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - Per WH and Auror. {{DanPinSig}} 07:14, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
::::::{{VoteFor}} '''Support''' - Per the above. —[[User:Random Ranaun|<font color="#008000">Random Ranaun</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Random Ranaun|<font color="#006400">Talk to me!</font>]])</sup> 16:27, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::'''Approved'''. {{LabSig}} 15:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

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IRC Channel operator Yes Open to requests.

IRC Channel operator requests are almost always open on The Sims Wiki.

Minimum requirements[edit source]

If you feel that you are a valuable member of the IRC channel(s) and you think you would benefit from channel operator flags, this is where to apply. The minimum requirements are:

  • An account on the IRC network for the channel you're requesting flags for. (i.e. If you're requesting chanop for the freenode channel, you need to have an account on irc.freenode.net. If you're requesting chanop for the ChatLounge channel, you need to have an account on irc.chatlounge.net)
  • An account on The Sims Wiki. You may be asked to verify the link between your on-wiki and your IRC identity. A good way to do this is to use NickServ's SET PROPERTY feature; see /msg NickServ help set property on how to use it. You can view any values you set with this feature using the /msg NickServ taxonomy command.
  • Fair knowledge of operating an IRC channel and with using IRC in general.
  • Being highly active in the channel
  • Applying for this should not be the first thing you do after joining IRC for the first time.
  • Understandable, (almost 100%) correct English all the time.
  • If u talk liek dis, ur not rdy 2 bcome IRC op.
  • A record of civil behavior
  • If you're constantly being told not to mess around then you're not ready for this.
  • Prerequisites — before you can become an Op, you must already be a HalfOp. Before you can become a SuperOp, you must already be an Op.

Please be sure you read The Sims Wiki:IRC Channel Operators carefully in order to understand what channel operators are all about before applying.

Application procedure[edit source]

Stage 1: Nominating[edit source]

  • Users may nominate themselves or other users for IRC operator rights.
  • Multiple requests at one time are allowed.
  • Operator candidates that are not given any additional privileges are ineligible to be nominated or to nominate themselves for at least a month.

Stage 2: Discussion[edit source]

  • A period of discussion shall last at least five days.
  • If a request will clearly not achieve a favorable consensus (i.e. there is absolutely no support for promotion) - in other words, the request doesn't have a "snowball's chance" of passage - it may be closed early.
  • After five days of discussion, it shall be determined whether a consensus is in favor of a user being given operator rights. If there is a consensus, rights will be awarded. If there is clearly no consensus for a user to be promoted, the discussion is ended and rights will not be awarded.
  • In cases where consensus is not clear after five days, discussion will continue for three additional days.
  • If, after this time, there is no clear consensus for promotion, the nomination will end and the nominee will not be promoted. This will occur even if a consensus against promotion does not exist.

Note[edit source]

Administrators, bureaucrats, and other channel operators may moderate discussions and votes and determine consensus, but only SuperOps and higher may award rights to successful nominees. Administrators, bureaucrats, and channel operators may participate in discussions and vote, but must be impartial when moderating, determining consensus, and awarding rights.

Guidelines for discussion and consensus[edit source]

  • All registered users may participate in a nomination for IRC channel operator; however, more weight will be given to arguments made by users who frequent the IRC channel.
  • Points of discussion should be focused on assessing the ability of a nominee to perform their duties. Discussion should avoid sweeping praise or generalizations (e.g. "he/she is a good editor" or "he/she deserves it"), and focus instead on specific reasons why a user is or is not a good fit for the position.
  • Users engaged in discussion may contradict the points raised by another user, but should remain respectful at all times. Back-and-forth arguments between two users should be avoided.
  • Generally, consensus in a request can be determined by answering these questions:
    • Are there major and specific problems raised by multiple users regarding the nominee?
    • Is there a lack of agreement between users over whether a nominee is qualified, capable of serving or a good fit for the role?
  • If the answer to these questions is 'no', there likely exists a consensus for the nomination.

Open requests[edit source]

To file a request, edit the appropriate section (i.e. HalfOp, Op, and SuperOp), and then copy and paste the following text:

==== [[User:Example|Example]] ====
{{userlinks|Example}}
* Network: Network
Reason for request here. ~~~~
  • Replace Example with your username.
  • Replace Network with either freenode or ChatLounge, depending on the channel you're applying for.
  • Replace Reason for request here with your nomination statement.
  • Do NOT remove the ~~~~; this will automatically be converted into your signature when you save the page.

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