Talk:Capp family

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All named after Shakespeare Characters except Consort?

As with all the other residents of Veronaville, members of the Capp family are named after characters of Shakespeare's plays; the exception is Consort Capp (see Consort's name).

But I haven't found any evidence that there is a Shakespeare character named Contessa, and the same with Patrizio. Could it be that they too ought to be credited as being exceptions to the "All Capps, Montys and Summerdreams are named after Shakespeare characters" rule? -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 06:22, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't get it either C.Syde Mucho gusta (talk) 14:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC) Mucho gusta

Contessa is an Italian term for the English equivalent of Countess. Patrizio is parody name based on the term Patrician. Essentially, this is reminiscent of Romeo and Juliet because the Montague father was the Patriarch, or head of the noble house. This is the same case for the Capulet family. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 15:23, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Then that would mean that Consort is the only one without a name from Shakespeare? Carabelle (talk) 06:06, November 11, 2014 (UTC) Carabelle 

Yes but apparently Contessa and Patrizio don't have names that were directly taken from Shakespeare either. There are no Shakespeare characters called Contessa and Patrizio. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 06:11, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Inheritance

I think the Inheritance section assumes that the Capp family follows a maternal line from oldest to youngest. However, that may not be the case. If you look at the Capp family bio, then it implies that Juliette Capp is the heiress, living in Capp Manor. If Juliette Capp is the heiress, then it may mean that the title (probably Countess) and property (county) are handed down to her by her mother, Cordelia Capp, perhaps the favorite of Contessa. In King Lear, Goneril and Regan are the villains, while Cordelia is the nurturing, nice one. So, I'm going to argue that Goneril, despite being the eldest, is dethroned from being heiress, and so is Regan. The inheritance passes to Cordelia Capp, which then falls to Juliette Capp, the eldest of Cordelia. 50.4.236.254 (talk) 21:59, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Just because it implies that Juliette is the heiress of the Capp family does not necessarily mean that the inheritance passes on to her. And just because it may be that way in Shakespeare's plays does not necessarily mean the same applies to the Sim parodies of the Shakespeare characters. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 22:22, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

So, your interpretation is that Juliette is the heiress who does not inherit? What kind of "heir" is that? Traditionally, if a person is heir, then that heir inherits everything. So, I stay with my original contention. Also, if real-life Shakespearean characters doesn't translate into Veronaville's characters, then how can you justify that the inheritance will pass down to Miranda Capp through Goneril? Honestly, if you want parsimony, I suggest removing the Inheritance section altogether and letting the player decide who inherits what. 50.4.236.254 (talk) 23:00, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

If no one else can find a better solution, then I'd suggest going with what you've just proposed. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 23:12, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

All right. If no one else proposes a better solution in 3 days, then the deal is sealed. We are removing the Inheritance section. I do not think it is fair that one interpretation (that Miranda Capp is the rightful heiress) should dominate over mine (that Juliette is the rightful heiress), anyway. 50.4.236.254 (talk) 00:37, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

Just so we're clear. You can't make sole decisions on this wiki. What happens on this wiki is for the community to decide in large part. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:47, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that (as C.Syde said) nothing in TS2 suggests that the Veronaville storyline (in its totality), besides the Romeo and Juliette plot, follows the rest of the Shakespeare works. Nothing states that any member of the Capp was disinherited, and the memories of Consort also place Goneril as the eldest child of the Capp family, making her the default heir by the matrilineal Capp traditions. By common sense, Juliette marrying Romeo would not bring much trouble to the proper Capp line, as she is just a cadet, despite what the bio says. Their possible union would be just "collateral damage" to the Capp line, nothing more. (Not sure if I'm making any sense here) -DarthImperius (talk) 00:57, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

"making her the default heir by the matrilineal Capp traditions"

I reject this part. You are assuming that the eldest inherits. Who says that the eldest must inherit? The middle child or youngest child may also inherit. Yes, I agree that it's matrilineal. But you are assuming that the eldest inherits. So, no, that's not "common sense". I can say Juliette, daughter of Cordelia, youngest daughter of Contessa, can inherit as much as Goneril, the oldest daughter of Contessa. In any case, I think we should just delete this section. It is assuming that the eldest female inherits. Nothing in the game says that the eldest inherits. In Strangetown, you'll think that Ophelia inherits, but actually, Nervous Subject merely inherits some money. Ophelia keeps the property. Should you call that inheritance? Or is Nervous Subject the rightful heir to the property? I consider that an opinion! 50.4.236.254 (talk) 01:14, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

Nervous Subject will always inherit some simoleons from Olive, but in my game, both Nervous and Ophelia inherited some simoleons since Olive's relationship with Ophelia had improved in my game. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:18, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

As a side note, I don't know when the SimsWiki has become so formalized in editing. I remember back in the olden days, the Talk pages were places to share player stories. Now, it's for discussing the article. Back in the olden days, I could just edit the Wiki with my knowledge of the game, and that's it. Now, I need to seek approval from the community for every single controversial or substantial edit? 50.4.236.254 (talk) 01:23, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

The system here is "BOLD, revert, discuss", so yes, you can make edits without seeking approval first, but if someone reverts it, then you should discuss. (Putting this in small font because it's not relevant to the current discussion) —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 01:43, July 2, 2017 (UTC)