Talk:Fitness (attribute)

Talk:Fitness (attribute)

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I didn't notice that kids' fitness could change until after I installed Seasons, but I don't know when that was introduced. Dharden 22:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Just a note to future readers, kids' fitness levels have been able to change since the base game. It's just that they don't flex their muscles when they notice that their fitness has increased. C.Syde (talk | contribs)

Merge

I can see merging into Body shape. Dharden (talk) 02:46, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really have anything to consider, so I guess I'd support the merge. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 14:52, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the page should be called Body Shape or Fitness, or perhaps something else altogether. Thoughts? -- LostInRiverview ^{talk ~ blog} 16:09, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea but suddenly the word Weight comes up in my mind. --Walker guy94 ^{Talk to me!} 16:16, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Body shape/body type is a pretty basic attribute of Sims, so I think we should have an article on it. I say merge into Body shape. Dharden (talk) 16:26, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think body shape is more general than fitness. The scope can even include weight, I guess. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 04:58, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

When is this article going to merge? Joey.eyeball (talk) 01:27, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

It appears that the issue was addressed by trying to reduce the redundancy rather than with an outright merge, so the {{Merge}} template has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharden (talk • contribs) (UTC) - Please sign your comments with ~~~~

Fit and Slim Sims in the Sims 2

Is there an actual physical difference between fit and slim sims in body shape. Sometimes on close examination, fit sims may tend to have narrower waists and slightly broader shoulders when wearing their gym clothes. But most of the time these two body shapes look exactly alike.C.Syde (talk | contribs) 07:02, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

As you noted, there's usually not much of a visible difference -- at least, not one that's visible without looking closely or zooming in close. However, in The Sims 2, we are not limited to visual examination of the Sim. We can look in the Simology panel and see both the fitness scale and which body shape a Sim is using. We can open a Sim's file in SimPE and see which body shape flags are set and where the fitness scale is. As noted in the article, premade Sims often have mismatches between the fitness scale and the body shape flags, so there's room for discussion as to whether to use the visual appearance (controlled by the flags) or the value of the fitness scale, but we should not rely on a subjective visual examination given that objective data is available. Dharden (talk) 13:31, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I've just performed a close examination on the Body shapes of a thin Sim (Bianca Monty) and a fit Sim (Regan Capp). And their body shapes are exactly alike. So the fit fitness level is obviously just an extra body flag designed to represent Sims who are even fitter than the Sims of a regular fitness level. I guess that explains why the fit fitness level can't be accessed through Create a Sim. Because as it turns out, there are no physical differences in body shape between thin and fit Sims. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 03:56, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that's incorrect. There are physical differences in fit and thin body shapes. Like Dharden said, it's not obvious, but there are indeed differences. Take a closer look to these images. Fit Sims have more noticeable abs than thin Sims. The differences are very subtle though, but the physical appearances are different nonetheless.

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Body shape flags are a good indicator to tell what body shape a Sim has, since it's rather difficult to tell with naked eye. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 06:41, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Normally you can only tell the differences between fit and slim Sims when they are in their togs / bikinis. Also as I pointed out on my first post on this page you can sometimes see a difference when they are doing a fitness activity. But there are times when thin and fit Sims are visually identical. When I examined Regan and Bianca's body shapes they were or at least they were visually identical. Literally I took a snapshot of one, and then moved the other one in their place using Moveobjects on, and then I compared the pictures. I think the reason why they were identical is because they were wearing their everyday outfits.

I think the overall difference is more noticeable in male Sims than female Sims. And I'm unsure whether there's a difference in thin and fit child Sims. Of course, Sims like Ariel Capp would still technically be 'thin' even with the 'fit' body shape flag, as toddlers don't have genuine fitness level shapes. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 06:56, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Well, of course if you want to see the physical differences, you must see them with shirt off. Also, I think I've read somewhere that children don't have fit body mesh in the game, so even if your children has fit body shape, the appearance will look just like thin children. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 07:04, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I was sure that Child Sims didn't have a proper fit mesh, as they don't flex their muscles when they transition from thin to fit. Also I wasn't sure whether the information I posted was correct either.

Also I've noticed that fat toddlers don't look fat (though it's impossible to get fat, or fit toddlers without aging them up and aging them down, or by editing their flags with SimPE).

I think Regan's hips were a slightly different shape, but I also thought it might just have been the picture. The differences were obviously not consistent enough with their clothes on to suppose that the difference was visual. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 07:11, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about toddlers, but if they don't have fit and fat body meshes, that makes sense, considering their fitness cannot change in normal way. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 07:35, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Just checked the Adult fitness body shapes, but the only difference between fit Sims and thin Sims seems to be the fit Sims having more prominent muscle textures. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 09:35, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

I have edited Body shape to note that the differences are not obvious and not always visible. Dharden (talk) 14:21, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

AFAIK, the muscle textures are more apparent on lighter skins than darker skins. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 15:02, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

True. But the only age where I've actually noticed the difference between thin and fit Sims is Adults. I haven't checked the Elders yet, but I haven't noticed a difference in Teenagers and according to theory there is no mesh for fit Children so they look the same as thin children.

I think I was still right to suggest that the thin and fit Sims are the same - at least in terms of their silhouettes. When I was trying to find the difference between thin and fit Sims I expected their silhouttes to be different, not just their muscle textures. C.Syde (talk | contribs) 04:24, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Fitness change

IIRC, townies and unselectable Sims can gain or lose fitness, but not change their body shape. So when in a community lot with fitness equipment, they may work out and gain fitness, but their body shape will stay the same and not become fit. I may need to check it again in the game some time... Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 13:51, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed - I've seen townies with full body fitness after they spend too much time in my fitness center and sport green whiff clouds. In my experience, they won't change their body shape until they do something that affects their fitness while they are selectable. There are mods that allow unselectable Sims to gain/lose fitness and change body shapes, however. K6ka (talk | contrib) | NG Userpage | The Last Stand Wiki | The Sims Wiki | YouTube | Wikipedia 13:57, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

I sit corrected. Thanks, folks. Dharden (talk) 15:03, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

That is correct! C.Syde (talk | contribs) 03:56, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Fitness flag

It's said that SimPE can be used to tick both fit and fat flags on a Sim, but surely there must be more to this, right? I mean, it must not be done without consequence. The statement is a bit cliffhanging and incomplete. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 08:43, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

It can be used to tick both fit and fat flags at the same time, so that a Sim can appear both fat and fit in-game at once. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 08:56, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Does it work? What will happen if you do that, and by that, I mean in-game. Will Sims have fat body shape but retain visible abs or something? Maybe you could elaborate. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 09:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yes it does work. But if you do it to one of your Sims so they appear fit and fat in-game (at the same time), the game will indefinitely reset the body shape flags sooner or later so they'll match whichever fitness level the Sim is currently at.

If you make a Sim fit and fat, they will basically be fat Sims with more muscular textures, only they might not match because the muscle textures are intended for thin Sims. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 21:52, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

I guess that piece of information should be included in the article. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 09:03, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I've taken back what I've said about the Sims appearing fat with the fit muscle textures. Because it appears they look the same as the fat Sims. A few days ago I happened to notice that the textures I previously believed to be the muscular textures on the fat-fit Sims were actually the same body textures the fat Sims have. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 03:59, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Actually in light of what I've recently experienced in-game, whether or not the Sim will be visibly fit and fat at the same time can vary. Sometimes the muscle texture will show up beneath the fat texture, but sometimes it won't. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 08:19, May 17, 2015 (UTC)