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Teenagers should not be added to the Unemployed Sims category

I suggest that the community as a whole should decide whether we should add the unemployed category for Teen Sims. Apparently Nikel said that he believed the value was unneeded for teenagers. I sort of agree, but then I also think that adding the category would be more accurate. However Young Adult Sims don't have this parameter (because they have college instead) either, so I'm sort of half and half when deciding whether or not I think that the unemployed value is relevant for teenagers.

-- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 20:27, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

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I'm stumped. I'd like to see what others have to say on this matter. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 22:27, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

I personally see it as teens automatically being "unemployed" unless they are "working teens", so it seems redundant to say that a teen is unemployed to me. -- Icemandeaf (talk) 00:23, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

True. But the thing is that adults are automatically "unemployed" unless they get a job. So I'm still unsure about it. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:28, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I think the difference here is that adults are assumed to work where teens are not. -- Icemandeaf (talk) 00:43, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I guess so. (shrugs) -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 00:54, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Icemandeaf. I only ever see teens as "students" unless they have a job, so I don't think that teens without a job should be added to the unemployed category because that would include the majority of them (I think) and could "clutter it up". ~ Waikikamukow (Anyone wanna chat?) 02:15, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I'm still against adding unemployed value for career parameter on teens. It's not appropriate to call them unemployed Sims since they're never meant to hold a job anyway. Think if you have a teenage brother; you wouldn't call him unemployed or slacker. He just holds no job, so adding "none" as the value is more proper. But if it's none, then there's no difference than omitting the parameter altogether. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 07:03, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm still in the middle about adding unemployed value for career parameter on teenagers. The reason I'm not strongly opposing it is because it's possible for them to have jobs, unlike Young Adults. And in practice pretty much every teenage townie becomes employed sooner or later anyway, even though their careers are normally randomized.

But then I'm not giving strong support on adding unemployed value for career parameter on teenagers, because they have school and thus can't get a full time job anyway.

But then what about elders? Should the unemployed value be added for them? Or should they be treated the same as the unemployed teenagers? -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 07:17, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

It's a tricky question, for sure. On the one hand, adding them to the category is correct from a factual standpoint. But if we were to say that all Sims who don't work belong in the category, we'd also have to include children and younger Sims who aren't even able to work, because we'd be including all Sims not working. On top of that, if we view categories as organizational tools, then adding more Sims to the category does risk cluttering the category and making it less useful.

Perhaps there is a compromise to be had? Maybe we can create separate categories for unemployed Sims in different age groups; a category for Unemployed Teens, Unemployed Adults, and Unemployed Elders, all under the main "Unemployed Sims" category. Otherwise, I personally would favor keeping the teens out of the category since, as Icemandeaf said, they're generally implied to be unemployed unless a job is specifically listed for them. -- LostInRiverview ^{talk • blog • contribs} 19:14, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

An "Unemployed Elders" category seems a bit... odd. Do we consider retired elders "unemployed"? --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 19:27, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Unemployed and retired aren't the same thing, so no. On top of that, we already have Category:Retired Sims -- LostInRiverview ^{talk • blog • contribs} 19:31, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say we should either keep teenagers out of the category, or we should add them to it. Either way, it would certainly be pointless to add Sims younger than teen to the category. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 23:30, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think separating the category by age is a bit overcomplicated and redundant. I'm still with Icemandeaf's statement. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 13:24, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Nikel's statement. Separating the category by age on the other hand is a bit complicated and redundant. However I'm still unsure about keeping teenagers out of the unemployed category. -- C.Syde (talk | contribs) 19:54, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

My stance would be (if we don't go with the separate category idea I mentioned above) that teens should not be included in the category, per Icemandeaf's statement. -- LostInRiverview ^{talk • blog • contribs} 04:50, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the majority opinion. I don't approve of having teenagers in the 'unemployed' category. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 03:07, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Closing based on consensus here. Teenagers should not be added to Category:Unemployed Sims. -- LostInRiverview ^{talk • blog • contribs} 01:10, January 29, 2015 (UTC)