Talk:Same-sex relationship

Hiya - I'm still not 100% sure that this subject necessarily merits a dedicated page on the Wiki, but I'm working on adding a bit more detailed information just in case. If anybody has any additional info on the subject please add it in. ^_^ Beatrice Monty 11:35, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

on homosexuals can have children or not?

None of the games in the Sims series allow homosexual couples to have children that are their biological offspring, although they have always been able to adopt in the same way as heterosexual couples or single Sims.but on the Danish sims 3 forum is there for a report on 2 women who have biological children together.

http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/posts/list/174402.page (danish)

DanishTDAfan 08:20, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

That person must've been joking because like in real life it's impossible, unless they adopt. Bleeh ^[iTalk] 15:13, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Viewing a Sims Sexual Orientation

Someone stated in the article that by using the boolProp cheat, you can view how much a sim is attracted to the two genders. How can I do that? Charmedthree 16:10, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you can see it through SimPE, and by shif-clicking on a Sim while having testingcheatsenabled on there will be an option to see the Sim's gender preference. This only for The Sims 2, though. --Guilherme Guerreiro (talk here) 16:13, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) Charmedthree 23:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

WARNING

Do we really need the warning? I find it offensive. GuyB1 • Talk 20:50, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I personally am not opposed to removing it. I'd like to see what others have to say on the matter. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 22:08, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's good to keep it. BakeryChaz ~ (let's have a chat!) 22:09, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think the warning is absolutely unnecessary. --TDIFan13 ^{(My Talk and My Contributions)} 01:14, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

This back-and-forth won't get us very far. GuyB1, would you explain why you find this offensive? BakeryChaz, can you explain why it's good to keep it? TDIFan13, why is it unnecessary?

Speaking to explain my original comment... the content of the article might be controversial to some people in some places (similar to WooHoo), but I don't really think the content of the article itself is 'adult', or at least not enough to warrant a warning.

Additionally, if we choose to keep the warning, I think it should be re-written - it links to Mrs. Crumplebottom as a way of saying that anyone who is offended by the contents would be more pleased to read about her, which is a joke but which nonetheless may insult some readers. If we choose to keep the warning, I think it should be written to link back to the Main Page instead, rather than to a specific page. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 01:47, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Some people can be uncomfortable with same-sex relationships and they might not like the page. I think it's fine to keep it just to notify them but the "Mrs. Crumplebottom" joke should be removed. BakeryChaz ~ (let's have a chat!) 03:03, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

K, I went ahead and removed the Crumplebottom joke, the warning now directs to the main page instead. As for removing the message completely... I think we should wait for more information/input. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 03:12, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's unnecessary because we live in a time and age where topics like this should be regarded as acceptable. If anyone is uncomfortable with it, why would they be on a wiki for The Sims when EA is known for their support of homosexuality?

Additionally, I agree with GuyB1; it definitely is offensive that same-sex couples have to have a separate warning on their article whereas straight couples don't. It's a little insensitive, that's all. --TDIFan13 ^{(My Talk and My Contributions)} 04:26, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really find it offensive, I don't know. Some people might not really think that same-sex relationships are acceptable, e.g. homophobes perhaps? IMO there might be younger readers or at least some people who might want to avoid topics like this, that's why they might need a warning in advance. However, if the straight couple page (there is?) didn't have this warning, I think it should have one instead. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 05:48, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

For the record, I'm pretty sure there isn't an article for opposite-sex relationships... mostly because opposite-sex relationships are considered "normal" by many, as opposed to a same-sex one, which is somehow not normal. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 07:18, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly what TDIFan13 said.

Nikel, are you saying that we should support/accept homophobia? Or that "younger readers" shouldn't read an article about same-sex relationships between Sims? Also, the article's title is "Same-sex relationships", so I think people can understand what it is about. GuyB1 • Talk 13:18, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying they shouldn't read about it. They might just not want to. There's still a possibility they ended up here like random pages, but that's unrelated (scrap this). Frankly, I don't have any good or strong reasons to oppose or support this, so just count me out anyway. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 14:16, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Relationship is general even when talking about romantic relationships, and doesn't really address the genders of the Sims involved, the the section on The Sims 2 mentions gender preference in that game. Marriage and WooHoo pretty clearly state that both same-sex and opposite-sex couples are possible. Dharden (talk) 14:24, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

For the most part, I think the article separates out information about same-sex relationships in the series that is available elsewhere, and puts it in one place. Dharden (talk) 14:41, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Marriage doesn't have a warning, though. It just seems weird that this is the only page to have a warning, excluding WooHoo, which is more of a joke warning since it redirects to Mrs. Crumplebottom. --TDIFan13 ^{(My Talk and My Contributions)} 06:21, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to know if this discussion has come to an agreement or not... which, I think, has not... yet. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 13:41, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I do not believe it has. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 17:40, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Is this page and the WooHoo page the only ones with this type of warning? Just out of pure interest y'know? Simply because if they are the only pages with this warning, then why would this page have the same type of warning as WooHoo? I mean, WooHoo has a very suggestive theme to it. I understand the warning with WooHoo, but I personally feel that a warning for this page isn't needed. AsherÉire I'm a lonely person, so please talk to me... 18:28, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

To me, I don't mind it being removed, and even better, use the Mrs. Crumplebottom joke. Nonetheless, we should see it from the PoV of the more conservative folks: It does seem like that the general consensus seems to think it's unneeded. However, I doubt that most of them would be in the "It should be removed" camp. MILK FOR THE UNYUUFEX, FLAT CHEST FOR THE CUTENESS THRONE, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL PROBES (user talk:Mathetesalexandrou) 02:54, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

It's time we settled this once and for all. We've just been going around in circles and we haven't come to a final decision. Here's a poll that will end on the 10th October 2012 (the New Zealand 10th October), and whichever has the most votes will be the final decision. BakeryChaz ~ (let's have a chat!) 07:07, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

(poll deleted)

• Using polls (as in the <poll> tag) is probably the worst method ever to reach consensus with. You could easily influence the poll by using proxies and so forth. A proper vote would be in order. 1358 ^(Talk) 11:06, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, I've deleted it. Let's have a vote, but instead by adding a bit here instead of a poll. Again, it will end on the 10th October 2012. BakeryChaz ~ (let's have a chat!) 11:15, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, a proper vote is in order. However, voting procedures state that votes should last a week. I'll start it in a new section below. - LiR ^{speak ~ read} 21:54, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Voting

Question: Do you support or oppose the removal of the Warning posted at the top of Same-sex relationships? This poll will last for one week, and expires in 21:52:00 October 14, 2012 UTC. Please note that only registered users may vote here.

Support

1. - I believe the warning is unnecessary and could possibly be insulting, as I indicate in the discussion above. -- LiR ^{speak ~ read} 21:54, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
2. - I agree with LiR, it could offend a large audience if we keep it and homophobic people should not be offended as the page is not about them at all. Colin the Panda - Meow 22:03, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
3. - per the above ―ฬђ ^talk 04:01, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
4. - After reading all the comments about this and looking at the page, I don't think we need a warning as such, as the page is merely about informing people about same-sex relationships in the game. However, I do think that a simple warning could be in order. ~ Waikikamukow (talk) 04:12, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Because of the reasons I stated above. BakeryChaz ~ (let's have a chat!) 21:59, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
2. Well, the warning's message was never wrong. Ѧüя◎ґ (talk) 22:42, October 7, 2012 (UTC)
3. I believe a warning label should be present to redirect any person opposed to same-sex relationships, however, it should be reword in the least offense way possible. Freedom50000 (talk)
4. Maybe like Freedom said, changing it to the least offensive way possible. Nikel _{Talk – Vote!} 04:29, October 8, 2012 (UTC)