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Discuss issues in the proper heading, please. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
== Fanon wiki merge discussion ==
[[File:Pros and Cons of Merging with Fanon Wiki.jpg|thumb|250px|Davidmc's take on the pros and cons of merging.]]
Ok, after you hear this, I know that some of you may think that I am crazy, but I think we should merge [[w:c:simsfanon|The Sims Fanon Wiki]] with The Sims Wiki. Hear me out, at the [[w:c:avatar|Avatar wiki]], they have merged their fanon wiki with the main one. While this was initially a controversial move, they claim that it paid off, because their wiki has many more contributors and visitors, making it much more active. I think we should merge these two wikis because with [[The Sims 3: Ambitions]] coming out in June, we will need to make our wiki known to people, preferably before the release. Another reason is that I have noticed that the activity of the fanon wiki went down for a while. What better way to bring the activity back up than merge it with a more popular wiki? Thank you for listening to this and please tell me what you think. --[[User:Random Ranaun|Random Ranaun]] 03:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I hear your reasoning. I support the merging of the 2 wikis! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001|Archie]] 03:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that would be a very good idea. I think because there would be loads more of vandalism, but I'm just an IP so what do I know? :) [[Special:Contributions/74.216.88.170|74.216.88.170]] 03:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm assuming there was a reason for creating a separate wiki for fanon. Has that reason gone away? Will it come back if the two are combined? If the two are combined, I'd think there would have to be some way to "mark" fanon as such. How will that be handled? I'm not categorically against a merger, but I'm also not sure it's all that great of an idea. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] 14:30, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
==Voting Delete or Keep or Move==
:There were two reasons for creating a separate wiki. One Dharden mentioned, the need to mark or keep separate premade content from custom content. The second was whether an editor had the right to change something that someone else had written given that player stories are creative rather than encyclopedic. I had a [[The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 1#Policy on Writing and Editing Player stories|brief discussion]] with a former admin. At the time I was pretty much the only one on, I didn't want to spend all my time fixing the spelling and grammar of everyone's story and decided to move the stories to subpages. At this point, I concede that merging might be a good idea. It would also make the discussion on [[The Sims Wiki talk:Project Downloads and custom content#What downloads and custom content should be included?|what downloads and custom content should be included]] moot. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 03:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
Delete {''CAS sim pages would fill up this wikia with pointless information.'') [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 17:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I do have my concerns about increased vandalism, but, it would seem good for the community. [[User:A.P. Freeman|Author]] 03:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
Move? I don'tmindifthey'rekepthereornot,butratherthansimplydeletingthem,ifthepagescontainusefulinformation, wecould make a spin-off wiki for CAS Sims. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 04:45, 4February2008 (UTC)
:I personally believe the two wikis should stay divided. There must be a reason why they were made into 2 different wikis, after all! [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 22:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:Rather than making separate pages we could have 'one page' for CAS sims for all different users and delete the [rest, since most CAS sim pages are very short and contain one line (from what I have read). I know there is a page where people can talk about their CAS families. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hmmm...actually I, too, prefer the idea of making a CAS sub-wiki or separate category. The game is just as much about customization as the stories/characters/info that ship with it. I do like that idea. I just don't think such Sims should be included in the actual game info, such as being listed in [[Pleasantview]]; this could confuse those not as familiar with the game as all of us are - people just wanting general information on The Sims 2 as it ships. I'm all for making a separate area for CAS info rather than simply deleting it - either way, though, I think they need to be moved or removed from where they are now. [[User:Skatoolaki|skatoolaki]] 13:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:If we were to make a spin off wiki for CAS sims and families, I believe that someone else would have to step up to the plate. I just recently (Like 1-2 days ago) took the job of admin on this wiki and I don't think I'm personally ready to start another wiki just for CAS sims.
I hate to jump back onto this Wiki after being so inactive for so long to voice my opinion, but I actually don't think this is a bad idea. My reasoning:
:I also think it's hard for me (and anyone else who is not the beginner of the page) to expand CAS pages when they are not my sims. Thus we are left with blank pages or pages with one or two lines describing a sim, which seem a waste of space. I also don't think the categories thing will work because people tend to not always categorize everything the way it should be categorized.
1) If I remember correctly, fans do come here and do post fan material that then needs to be moved and/or deleted by admins. Merging the two wikis makes this no longer necessary, and encourages game fans to visit and enrich themselves in knowledge of the game while posting their own content.
2) Merging the two allows the new merged wiki to capitalize on the visitors to both, increasing the number of visitors, number of editors, and number of active members.
3) Merging the two makes it easier for a visitor to find information both on the game and on fan material in one location.
Additionally, even if the two were created intentionally separate, that's not necessarily a good enough reason to keep it that way. Just as there is no point in needless change, there is no point in maintaining the status quo if doing so is detrimental. It's up to the best judgment of the Admins and members here (and on the other wiki) to determine whether or not the status quo is detrimental or not - I hesitate to say that it is, though I still support their combination.
:Maybe instead of many different pages we could use the [[Create-A-Sim|CAS]] page to describe what a CAS sim is and the talk page could be where people talk about their characters. We could merge all CAS pages together in the talk. Where older pages come in we could take the original owner's name or ip and say "SoandSo says..." then what they posted in a page(s). I don't think many people have posted their CAS sims but I think the few who have, created many pages for different characters of their families. Then we could make an announcement of the new page to post CAS sim information and archive the older pages when they get full.
That's just my $0.02 though. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 23:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
:I think this is a better idea than deleting them. That way members are still heard but it is differenciated between base game and CAS sims. The same thing could also be done with objects. Though I think we should cross that road when we get to it. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 16:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
:I actually never thought of those possibilities. Though, if users did add info about their own characters, there would need to be a way for other users to be able to distinguish whether or not it's a Sim that's made by Maxis. There would need to be a category, or something, which I'm sure most new-comers to the wiki wouldn't add, since Wikia is confusing enough. [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 23:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
::It certainly would be more work - and likely confusion - for all involved. I see your point, Makiah (and gratz on the Admin position). The idea of a Create-A-Sim page detailing what they are all about and the 'Talk' feature allowing people to describe, talk about, and share their custom made Sims sounds like a fair and efficient idea to me. That way we could take the CAS Sim pages already made on the Wiki and paste them into the 'Talk' section of that page. I'm all for that. [[User:Skatoolaki|skatoolaki]] 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I'm not saying it wouldn't be complicated. That's why it's important to determine whether the changes are needed or desired enough to justify upsetting the status quo. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 21:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks! ^_^
:::I want to get this done as soon as possible so it's off the plate. So we will start the voting procedures again and disregard the old vote. Voting ends when there are 10 votes or after 2 weeks, which ever comes first (unless there is a tie, cross the road when we get there). If there is another option voting will restart again that way we include it. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 17:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Quick idea, what does everyone think about moving the Player stories to the talk pages of those particular characters? Not a big issue, but I think it would add neatness and allow people to sign their post. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 20:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm all about neatness! Whatever we can do keep the wiki clean, efficient, and informational, I'm all for it. (BTW, and hate to ask here so you can delete this afterwards, how does one go about applying to be an officer/admin-type? Thx).
:::::Well, I'm sure Angela could give you a better explanation if mine doesn't cover any of your questions but if you want to create a sub wiki, you are the admin of it. However, if you want to be like me and take over a wiki they first determine if the admin of the wiki has been active. If they haven't edited in the past two months they are not active and you can then apply to an admin, like Angela to [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Adopt_this_wiki Adopt a Wiki]. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Alright well the votes going to be officially closed. To be honest I didn't think we would get 10 people. But I guess since I opened it to unregistered users it upéd the vote. Alright so just in case someone else votes after this. Voting results were: 1 Delete, 2 Keep, 1 new wiki, 6 talk page, 0 other. I'll start moving the CAS sim pages to the talk page and deleting them afterwards. If anyone helps and they transfer the data from the actual page to the CAS talk page. Please report the page so I know to delete it with a simple message letting me know. I'll start most of the work tomorrow though. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 04:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::: I would suggest that they be moved to the user's page or user subpages. A category could be made to keep track of them. -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 17:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I think that would have been a great idea however because we already voted I think it's hard to re-vote. I would be willing to consider creating a new vote if there were enough people behind it. To be honest I'm happy with the solution we came up with. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::C'mon people! We need to vote! We've had 16 people vote, but, no results! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001|Archie]] 23:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
<poll>
What should we do with CAS pages?
Delete them --They could potentially fill up this wiki with pointless information.
Keep them --They are part of the game after all, Sims was based on the fact that players can costumize their games.
Create a new wiki for the sole purpose of CAS sims.
Use the CAS sim page and talk page to host CAS sims from other players.
Other --Explain in a post.
</poll>
I will begin the official vote, according to our [[The Sims Wiki:Policy#|voting procedure]], on May 1 and put an announcement on the main page. In the event of a tie, we will keep things the same, i.e. stay divided.
==New Main Page==
Should the "We combine" option prevail, it will be followed by a discussion/vote to determine how to add the new content and the merging will begin upon its conclusion and any maintenance tasks required (ex. creating templates, etc.) Any new content may be left until a decision is made. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 14:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
It was suggested by someone that we format our main page differently (On the main page discussion). I just wanted to check with everyone about what they think. Do they like the 1 column page? Or would they prefer the 2 column page? More color? I think it's fine but I wanted to check. ~ [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 19:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:More thought into this I would like to bring up a few suggestions but would like some input. I was thinking about a two column format and also use of the Bulletin Board which I saw on [[The Sims Wiki]]. Also I was thinking of improving the 'In the News Section'. I like the header but the Sims Universe under it I think maybe should be smaller horizontal wise or at the bottom. Inputs? [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::I'm thinking about drawing up a test main page, I'll post it up on March 12th but I could still use some input. And anyone who would like to draw up a main page of their own that would be great. We could have a vote between them! [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Alright guys to see the potential main page go to the [[Sandbox]]. I'm thinking about making use of a bulletin board that was on the original main page. Suggestions would be great. Also if anyone else wants to make a new one and place it on a temporary page I would be fine with that but please serious main pages only and no new templates. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 23:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:So then, if a user makes a page about a fanon Sim, we just let it stay in the wiki until the voting is over? Or would we move it to the user namespace? If it's the first, then how would we remember to move it to the user namespace if the wikis stay divided? [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 20:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
==Voting Procedure==
::No. After the first vote, if we are going to combine, only then will fanon pages be left as is until we decide how to deal with them. For now and if we decide to stay divided, fanon pages should be moved to the user namespace, as usual. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 23:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking about making an official voting procedure limiting people who can vote. I don't think I liked how the CAS Sims vote was ran. Here are my proposals:
FYI - [[w:c:user:TamBams219|TamBams219]] has [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption#The_Sims_Fanon_Wiki_.28on_hold.29 requested to adopt The Sims Fanon Wiki]. This may have an impact on whether we will be allowed to merge the two wikis. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
*To have Voting Requirements:
:# Must be a Member (Anonymous or IP Votes will not be counted)
:# Must have atleast 1 edit in the sims wiki
:# Votes must be signed correctly with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
:# Banned user's votes will not be counted.
* At the present moment, I am mulling my thoughts over. I'm kind of thinking a merger would not be the worst thing. The Sims Wiki has a much more structured and, clean lay out. Of course given the time, I feel that I could equally make the Fanon Wiki just as efficent. Another plus, the fan fiction people make/compose would reach a wider audience if merged. It's a toguh decision... [[User:TamBams219|TamBams219]] 02:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
*To have a voting format to make achived voting topics more comprehensible. Something like
* I'm totally agains't it! Why did we make players stories after all?![[User:AGuyCalledJoe|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
:I can't see merging being a disaster, but I can see it being a damn pain without extremely well-laid guidelines, and possibly even with them. There needs to be more than just a category or two from fanon if the merger takes place, there needs to be clear signalling so that we can see from every link and every page whether it is fanon or Maxis/EA canon. Keeping the two separate but working out a clearer agreement or wider cross-culture some other way seems infinitely preferable. This place has potential. That (alongside the fact that I've been housebound a bit lately) are the reasons I've made so many edits here. This is already a premium site for canonical information about the Sims, and that's a great specialty that I'd like to help realise. Approach the likes of Delphy, and get more traffic flowing between this site and MTS. Get the pages really informative so that people know this is the place they can come to see a list of every lot in Sunset Valley, or a list of all the starters. Useful info like that made easily accessible. The site is already most of the way there. A fanon merger will only - I suspect - detract from the canon. People will be here for their own stories, and not for The Sims series so much. ([[User:Kiwi tea|Kiwi tea]] 17:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
::<nowiki>==Voting Topic==</nowiki>
== Fanon wiki merge vote ==
::<nowiki>Small Description</nowiki>
The Sims Wiki and The Sims Fanon Wiki should merge.
# [[User:A.P. Freeman|Author]] 16:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC) I wanna see how it goes.
# Yay! More pages! [[User:Salemguy123|Salem. Guy. 123]] 21:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:Elfears|Elfears]] 21:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC) I would like that
* Hello. I'm an unregistered contributor! I'm not sure if I can vote but look at the facts. This wiki is very slow. Wikis like Avatar and Kingdom Hearts, have twice the many users we do. It's pretty sad. So I'm hoping that the merge will help us out. [[Special:Contributions/98.242.115.205|98.242.115.205]] 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>===Neutral===</nowiki>
=== Neutral ===
# [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] 05:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>===Disagree===</nowiki>
=== Disagree ===
# --[[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 03:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Bet I'll be the only one, but so be it. I definitely disagree with the option to merge, but hey, it's not my wiki anyways.
# --[[User:Sparrowsong|Sparrowsong]] 04:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
# -- [[User:Kiwi tea|Kiwi tea]] 09:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I know I'm new, and I can see the arguments in favour of this, but I see it making a mess. I have extensive Fanon for Riverblossom Hills. Now that would make things confusing! I'm sure I'm only one of hundreds like that.
# --<onlyinclude>'''[[UserDavidMC123:|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">David</span>]][[User talk:DavidMC123|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:black;">MC</span>]][[Special:Contributions/DavidMC123|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">123</span>]]'''</onlyinclude> 14:13 Saturday, May 01, 2010 (UTC) (I think that's the right time)I have made an image of pros and cons. [[:File:Pros_and_Cons_of_Merging_with_Fanon_Wiki.jpg|Here is the image.]]
# [[User:AGuyCalledJoe|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC) It would make a complete mess, people will be confused and they will probably wont know if a sim is fanon or not this is the same as when there was a discussion with the SimCity games of the MySims besides this wiki is about The Sims Series not The Sims Fanon Series >.>
# [[User:Mischem6|Mischem6]] 00:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:Deftera|Deftera]] 18:17, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 02:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC) While I personally agree with (or am at most neutral about) the idea of merging, I can see that quite a few people here are against the merge. Therefore, I'm voting against it, because I don't think we should go into something like this with a less than clear concensus, which I see we fail to have at the moment.
# [[User:Guffers|Guffers]] 13:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) It would get to complicated as people wouldn't bother to mark their stuff as CC. And anyway, does the Fanon Wiki want to merge?
# --[[User:Lewislew|Lewislew]] 16:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC) I disagree, it would just make this confusing and pointless!
# [[User:UBFunkaneer|UBFunkaneer]] 21:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC) On the Spore Wiki, there was more Fanon than Canon. The same'll happen here. And if someone accidentally made a sim with the same name as a future sim, they'd be yelled at vandalism they did not commit.
# I agree with Funkaneer. [[User:RaikuLuciferSamiyaza|RaikuLuciferSamiyaza]] 00:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
== Fanon wiki merge vote results ==
::<nowiki>==Comments==</nowiki>
Final count:
These ideas were mainly based on [http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Site_Name StarWars Fanon's] archived vote, as well as their voting restrictions.
:Agree: 45%
:Neutral: 5%
:Disagree: 50%
As the majority did not agree with the merge, the two wikis will remain separate. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 21:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
I know this is a small community also so I think I would like to limit voting time periods but do not know what that time period should be. Comments? [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Alright, my idea is that the time limit for voting will be 2 weeks, however if anyone would like to put in their input that would be great. On March 12th if no one has any input I think we will adopt the above as our voting format and voting rules. That way we will be able to use that to vote on the Policy and Main Page. [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It was 12 agree and 12 disagree get the neutral to decide whether he agrees or disagrees and then make the desision
==Sims Policy==
I believe we should have a policy, currently there is none but I believe it should address a few topics which may seem obvious but if it is written out it is more enforceable. Somethings I believe it should contain:
*A clause about vandalism not being allowed.
*Mention about inappropriate words such as cuss words.
*Something concerning new pages. Such as if there is a topic already on that page just with different capitals, should be deleted. Misspelled pages should be either deleted or moved depending on the circumstances.
*Also with new pages, I suggest that empty pages created after a policy is put in effect be deleted. Example: [[SimCity 3000]] has never had anything on it but can't be deleted per policy because it doesn't have anything on it. But if an empty page were to be created say titled [[Mirrors]] but has nothing on it, even though it is relevant to Sims it should be deleted. Maybe something saying you need at least 3 facts in complete sentences to start a page. That way there is something to build off of. Some sort of content.
::I'm thinking that we really don't want empty pages at all. I've seen pages like "There's no content here yet 'cause I'm concentrating on categorizing" -- we don't really want that to remain. If the page has no content, it should show up in [[Special:Wantedpages]] -- which it won't if it has nothing but that sentence on it. --[[User:Narc|Narc]] ([[User talk:Narc|talk]]) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Just some starting suggestions. Anyone else have any ideas or comments? [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 23:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:If no one has any input by March 12th I will draw up the policy and post it so everyone can see using my ideas. It would be great to have some discussion to include the community! [[User:Makiah|Makiah]] 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, everything you've mentioned so far sounds brilliant to me; please do write it up -- it sounds good. I do have one addition, though: I haven't looked around the Templates and such yet, but I know we have a <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> template. I don't know if we have something like "cleanup required" yet, but we need it, too: several pages I've seen look like they have a bit of info but it's poorly formatted or even unformatted. Again, I haven't had a chance to look at the Templates yet, but if we don't have it yet, we need it. --[[User:Narc|Narc]] ([[User talk:Narc|talk]]) 12:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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Ok, after you hear this, I know that some of you may think that I am crazy, but I think we should merge The Sims Fanon Wiki with The Sims Wiki. Hear me out, at the Avatar wiki, they have merged their fanon wiki with the main one. While this was initially a controversial move, they claim that it paid off, because their wiki has many more contributors and visitors, making it much more active. I think we should merge these two wikis because with The Sims 3: Ambitions coming out in June, we will need to make our wiki known to people, preferably before the release. Another reason is that I have noticed that the activity of the fanon wiki went down for a while. What better way to bring the activity back up than merge it with a more popular wiki? Thank you for listening to this and please tell me what you think. --Random Ranaun 03:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I hear your reasoning. I support the merging of the 2 wikis! Archie 03:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that would be a very good idea. I think because there would be loads more of vandalism, but I'm just an IP so what do I know? :) 74.216.88.170 03:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm assuming there was a reason for creating a separate wiki for fanon. Has that reason gone away? Will it come back if the two are combined? If the two are combined, I'd think there would have to be some way to "mark" fanon as such. How will that be handled? I'm not categorically against a merger, but I'm also not sure it's all that great of an idea. Dharden 14:30, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
There were two reasons for creating a separate wiki. One Dharden mentioned, the need to mark or keep separate premade content from custom content. The second was whether an editor had the right to change something that someone else had written given that player stories are creative rather than encyclopedic. I had a brief discussion with a former admin. At the time I was pretty much the only one on, I didn't want to spend all my time fixing the spelling and grammar of everyone's story and decided to move the stories to subpages. At this point, I concede that merging might be a good idea. It would also make the discussion on what downloads and custom content should be included moot. --a_morris (talk) 03:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
I do have my concerns about increased vandalism, but, it would seem good for the community. Author 03:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
I personally believe the two wikis should stay divided. There must be a reason why they were made into 2 different wikis, after all! Bleeh (talk) 22:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
I hate to jump back onto this Wiki after being so inactive for so long to voice my opinion, but I actually don't think this is a bad idea. My reasoning:
1) If I remember correctly, fans do come here and do post fan material that then needs to be moved and/or deleted by admins. Merging the two wikis makes this no longer necessary, and encourages game fans to visit and enrich themselves in knowledge of the game while posting their own content.
2) Merging the two allows the new merged wiki to capitalize on the visitors to both, increasing the number of visitors, number of editors, and number of active members.
3) Merging the two makes it easier for a visitor to find information both on the game and on fan material in one location.
Additionally, even if the two were created intentionally separate, that's not necessarily a good enough reason to keep it that way. Just as there is no point in needless change, there is no point in maintaining the status quo if doing so is detrimental. It's up to the best judgment of the Admins and members here (and on the other wiki) to determine whether or not the status quo is detrimental or not - I hesitate to say that it is, though I still support their combination.
That's just my $0.02 though. LostInRiverview 23:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
I actually never thought of those possibilities. Though, if users did add info about their own characters, there would need to be a way for other users to be able to distinguish whether or not it's a Sim that's made by Maxis. There would need to be a category, or something, which I'm sure most new-comers to the wiki wouldn't add, since Wikia is confusing enough. Bleeh (talk) 23:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm not saying it wouldn't be complicated. That's why it's important to determine whether the changes are needed or desired enough to justify upsetting the status quo. LostInRiverview 21:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
C'mon people! We need to vote! We've had 16 people vote, but, no results! Archie 23:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
I will begin the official vote, according to our voting procedure, on May 1 and put an announcement on the main page. In the event of a tie, we will keep things the same, i.e. stay divided.
Should the "We combine" option prevail, it will be followed by a discussion/vote to determine how to add the new content and the merging will begin upon its conclusion and any maintenance tasks required (ex. creating templates, etc.) Any new content may be left until a decision is made. --a_morris (talk) 14:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
So then, if a user makes a page about a fanon Sim, we just let it stay in the wiki until the voting is over? Or would we move it to the user namespace? If it's the first, then how would we remember to move it to the user namespace if the wikis stay divided? Bleeh (talk) 20:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
No. After the first vote, if we are going to combine, only then will fanon pages be left as is until we decide how to deal with them. For now and if we decide to stay divided, fanon pages should be moved to the user namespace, as usual. --a_morris (talk) 23:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
At the present moment, I am mulling my thoughts over. I'm kind of thinking a merger would not be the worst thing. The Sims Wiki has a much more structured and, clean lay out. Of course given the time, I feel that I could equally make the Fanon Wiki just as efficent. Another plus, the fan fiction people make/compose would reach a wider audience if merged. It's a toguh decision... TamBams219 02:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
I'm totally agains't it! Why did we make players stories after all?!AGuyCalledJoe 14:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
I can't see merging being a disaster, but I can see it being a damn pain without extremely well-laid guidelines, and possibly even with them. There needs to be more than just a category or two from fanon if the merger takes place, there needs to be clear signalling so that we can see from every link and every page whether it is fanon or Maxis/EA canon. Keeping the two separate but working out a clearer agreement or wider cross-culture some other way seems infinitely preferable. This place has potential. That (alongside the fact that I've been housebound a bit lately) are the reasons I've made so many edits here. This is already a premium site for canonical information about the Sims, and that's a great specialty that I'd like to help realise. Approach the likes of Delphy, and get more traffic flowing between this site and MTS. Get the pages really informative so that people know this is the place they can come to see a list of every lot in Sunset Valley, or a list of all the starters. Useful info like that made easily accessible. The site is already most of the way there. A fanon merger will only - I suspect - detract from the canon. People will be here for their own stories, and not for The Sims series so much. (Kiwi tea 17:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
Elfears 21:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC) I would like that
Hello. I'm an unregistered contributor! I'm not sure if I can vote but look at the facts. This wiki is very slow. Wikis like Avatar and Kingdom Hearts, have twice the many users we do. It's pretty sad. So I'm hoping that the merge will help us out. 98.242.115.205 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
--Bleeh (talk) 03:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Bet I'll be the only one, but so be it. I definitely disagree with the option to merge, but hey, it's not my wiki anyways.
-- Kiwi tea 09:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I know I'm new, and I can see the arguments in favour of this, but I see it making a mess. I have extensive Fanon for Riverblossom Hills. Now that would make things confusing! I'm sure I'm only one of hundreds like that.
--DavidMC123 14:13 Saturday, May 01, 2010 (UTC) (I think that's the right time)I have made an image of pros and cons. Here is the image.
AGuyCalledJoe 14:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC) It would make a complete mess, people will be confused and they will probably wont know if a sim is fanon or not this is the same as when there was a discussion with the SimCity games of the MySims besides this wiki is about The Sims Series not The Sims Fanon Series >.>
LostInRiverview 02:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC) While I personally agree with (or am at most neutral about) the idea of merging, I can see that quite a few people here are against the merge. Therefore, I'm voting against it, because I don't think we should go into something like this with a less than clear concensus, which I see we fail to have at the moment.
Guffers 13:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) It would get to complicated as people wouldn't bother to mark their stuff as CC. And anyway, does the Fanon Wiki want to merge?
--Lewislew 16:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC) I disagree, it would just make this confusing and pointless!
UBFunkaneer 21:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC) On the Spore Wiki, there was more Fanon than Canon. The same'll happen here. And if someone accidentally made a sim with the same name as a future sim, they'd be yelled at vandalism they did not commit.
