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Anyone is able to start a discussion but make sure you discuss issues in the proper heading, please. [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 02:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
== Fanon wiki merge discussion ==
[[File:Pros and Cons of Merging with Fanon Wiki.jpg|thumb|250px|Davidmc's take on the pros and cons of merging.]]
Ok, after you hear this, I know that some of you may think that I am crazy, but I think we should merge [[w:c:simsfanon|The Sims Fanon Wiki]] with The Sims Wiki. Hear me out, at the [[w:c:avatar|Avatar wiki]], they have merged their fanon wiki with the main one. While this was initially a controversial move, they claim that it paid off, because their wiki has many more contributors and visitors, making it much more active. I think we should merge these two wikis because with [[The Sims 3: Ambitions]] coming out in June, we will need to make our wiki known to people, preferably before the release. Another reason is that I have noticed that the activity of the fanon wiki went down for a while. What better way to bring the activity back up than merge it with a more popular wiki? Thank you for listening to this and please tell me what you think. --[[User:Random Ranaun|Random Ranaun]] 03:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


I hear your reasoning. I support the merging of the 2 wikis! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001|Archie]] 03:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
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I don't think that would be a very good idea. I think because there would be loads more of vandalism, but I'm just an IP so what do I know? :) [[Special:Contributions/74.216.88.170|74.216.88.170]] 03:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


I'm assuming there was a reason for creating a separate wiki for fanon. Has that reason gone away? Will it come back if the two are combined? If the two are combined, I'd think there would have to be some way to "mark" fanon as such. How will that be handled? I'm not categorically against a merger, but I'm also not sure it's all that great of an idea. [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] 14:30, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


:There were two reasons for creating a separate wiki. One Dharden mentioned, the need to mark or keep separate premade content from custom content. The second was whether an editor had the right to change something that someone else had written given that player stories are creative rather than encyclopedic. I had a [[The Sims Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 1#Policy on Writing and Editing Player stories|brief discussion]] with a former admin. At the time I was pretty much the only one on, I didn't want to spend all my time fixing the spelling and grammar of everyone's story and decided to move the stories to subpages. At this point, I concede that merging might be a good idea. It would also make the discussion on [[The Sims Wiki talk:Project Downloads and custom content#What downloads and custom content should be included?|what downloads and custom content should be included]] moot. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 03:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
== Missing premade families ==
I do have my concerns about increased vandalism, but, it would seem good for the community. [[User:A.P. Freeman|Author]] 03:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


:I personally believe the two wikis should stay divided. There must be a reason why they were made into 2 different wikis, after all! [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 22:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Where are the families from the colleges, like Roxie Sharp and the sorority girls and such? They are still kind of a premade family, I think they should be included.
:Good idea! Why don't you write them? Also, adding links to the characters from their neighborhoods, would be good. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 20:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


I hate to jump back onto this Wiki after being so inactive for so long to voice my opinion, but I actually don't think this is a bad idea. My reasoning:
== Characters of Sunset Valley ==
1) If I remember correctly, fans do come here and do post fan material that then needs to be moved and/or deleted by admins. Merging the two wikis makes this no longer necessary, and encourages game fans to visit and enrich themselves in knowledge of the game while posting their own content.
2) Merging the two allows the new merged wiki to capitalize on the visitors to both, increasing the number of visitors, number of editors, and number of active members.
3) Merging the two makes it easier for a visitor to find information both on the game and on fan material in one location.


Additionally, even if the two were created intentionally separate, that's not necessarily a good enough reason to keep it that way. Just as there is no point in needless change, there is no point in maintaining the status quo if doing so is detrimental. It's up to the best judgment of the Admins and members here (and on the other wiki) to determine whether or not the status quo is detrimental or not - I hesitate to say that it is, though I still support their combination.
There is "no trustworthy" link that cites the characters of The Sims 3 and should be confirmed by EA or The Sims 3. That information is speculation thus making it misleading and should be deleted! I'm going to delete it if someone else doesn't create a new article which says 'Speculation on The Sims 3' and put that worthless infomation in it.


That's just my $0.02 though. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 23:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
The title in the article with most of the speculation in it is 'Neighborhood Continuity'


:I actually never thought of those possibilities. Though, if users did add info about their own characters, there would need to be a way for other users to be able to distinguish whether or not it's a Sim that's made by Maxis. There would need to be a category, or something, which I'm sure most new-comers to the wiki wouldn't add, since Wikia is confusing enough. [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 23:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
F.Y.I. when questions were mentioned to The Sims 3 in relation to characters they typically responded with petty answers and could not confirm anything buy they did say "we're giving the game a fresh start,a new leap, in hopes for the sucess of the title"


::Well, I'm not saying it wouldn't be complicated. That's why it's important to determine whether the changes are needed or desired enough to justify upsetting the status quo. [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 21:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Mrs. Crumblebottom is the only character confirmed in the game as of 22/7/08 - not nesseceraly meaning shes the only one lead onto this title but is confirmed.


::::C'mon people! We need to vote! We've had 16 people vote, but, no results! [[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001|Archie]] 23:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
:You are right that speculation about [[The Sims 2]] characters should not be included in the article. It has been removed. You must be a bit lenient as the game is still under developement and we have placed a disclaimer at the top of the page to that effect. Any cites and additional information you have about [[The Sims 3]] is greatly appreciated. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 00:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


I will begin the official vote, according to our [[The Sims Wiki:Policy#|voting procedure]], on May 1 and put an announcement on the main page. In the event of a tie, we will keep things the same, i.e. stay divided.
::'''Update''': It is now known that ''[[The Sims 3]]'' is a prequel to ''[[The Sims]]''. Any speculation on the "future"s of ''[[The Sims 2]]'' characters cannot be confirmed and should be removed. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 05:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


Should the "We combine" option prevail, it will be followed by a discussion/vote to determine how to add the new content and the merging will begin upon its conclusion and any maintenance tasks required (ex. creating templates, etc.) Any new content may be left until a decision is made. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 14:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
== HELP ME!!!!!!!! ==


:So then, if a user makes a page about a fanon Sim, we just let it stay in the wiki until the voting is over? Or would we move it to the user namespace? If it's the first, then how would we remember to move it to the user namespace if the wikis stay divided? [[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 20:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I need help! my sims game stop working at my house, couldnt play it at all i had the seasons,pets, and freetime, well the game just stopped working, which left me to playing at realtives when i went there (you dont know my life) well at there house, cas isnt working! the loading screen pops up and then it just goes right back to neighborhood! HEEEEELLLLLPPPPPPPP MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! please!
::No. After the first vote, if we are going to combine, only then will fanon pages be left as is until we decide how to deal with them. For now and if we decide to stay divided, fanon pages should be moved to the user namespace, as usual. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 23:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


FYI - [[w:c:user:TamBams219|TamBams219]] has [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption#The_Sims_Fanon_Wiki_.28on_hold.29 requested to adopt The Sims Fanon Wiki]. This may have an impact on whether we will be allowed to merge the two wikis. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
:First, this is not a help site, it is an information site. If you are having problems you should contact [https://easims.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/easims.cfg/php/enduser/home.php?p_sid=MwtUa3hj The Sims 2 Tech Support], search help forums for other people who have the same problem or can help you. The first thing I would check would be downloads. Make sure that none of them are causing a conflict. This program might help: [http://www.simwardrobe.com Sims 2 Hack Conflict Detection Utility]. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 14:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


* At the present moment, I am mulling my thoughts over. I'm kind of thinking a merger would not be the worst thing. The Sims Wiki has a much more structured and, clean lay out. Of course given the time, I feel that I could equally make the Fanon Wiki just as efficent. Another plus, the fan fiction people make/compose would reach a wider audience if merged. It's a toguh decision... [[User:TamBams219|TamBams219]] 02:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
== Ghosts of of Goth House TS1 ==
* I'm totally agains't it! Why did we make players stories after all?![[User:AGuyCalledJoe|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Grandpa, grandma, auntie, uncle, cousin, vegas, bratty & boy? Who are those people that was buried in the Goth home in Neighborhood 1? If anyone knows, please tell me.


:I can't see merging being a disaster, but I can see it being a damn pain without extremely well-laid guidelines, and possibly even with them. There needs to be more than just a category or two from fanon if the merger takes place, there needs to be clear signalling so that we can see from every link and every page whether it is fanon or Maxis/EA canon. Keeping the two separate but working out a clearer agreement or wider cross-culture some other way seems infinitely preferable. This place has potential. That (alongside the fact that I've been housebound a bit lately) are the reasons I've made so many edits here. This is already a premium site for canonical information about the Sims, and that's a great specialty that I'd like to help realise. Approach the likes of Delphy, and get more traffic flowing between this site and MTS. Get the pages really informative so that people know this is the place they can come to see a list of every lot in Sunset Valley, or a list of all the starters. Useful info like that made easily accessible. The site is already most of the way there. A fanon merger will only - I suspect - detract from the canon. People will be here for their own stories, and not for The Sims series so much. ([[User:Kiwi tea|Kiwi tea]] 17:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC))
==What's the deal with half-siblings in TS2?==
In TS2, the Curious brothers are not shown as related to Lola and Chloe Singles, even though they share a father, Glarn Curious. But in another neighborhood, this one Sim fathered children with four other womenn, and I moved all of the women and their children together and the children showed the other children as their family. They too share a father. Do they have to know eachother to show their half siblings as family? Or did Maxis intend for the Curiouses and tLola and Chloe not to be related? -donlothariomustDIE


== Fanon wiki merge vote ==
:I don't know. The half-siblings in other families still treat each other as family. Maybe they were changed to half-siblings at the last minute and the family interactions weren't put on. But I really don't know. I think it's just Strangetown that has all this weird family glitches. Nervous Subject and Ophelia Nigmos are cousins and yet they can kiss, get married, and woohoo. - 67.68.18.136


The Sims Wiki and The Sims Fanon Wiki should merge.
I know everyone in strange town is inbreed because Pollination Technican 9 & Glam Curious go together to get Lola & Chloe and then later Pollination goes with Glam's daughter Jenny Smith to have their kids.[[Special:Contributions/211.27.110.228|211.27.110.228]] 12:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


Voting is closed.
:It's a mistake that they don't consider each other family, I use Sim PE to correct it. Also the skintones genetics. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


{{See also|The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Procedures|The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Requirements}}
== New [[Template:Sim|Sim Template]] ==


=== Agree ===
I've made some changes to the [[Template:Sim|Sim Template]], putting more code into the template instead of having the user enter it, adding optional parameters, etc. This has, however, caused some problems on pages that uses the old template, mostly extra code around images and category markup appearing at the top of the article. If you see a page like that, please remove the extra markup <nowiki>(i.e. "[[", "]]", "[[Image:", etc.)</nowiki>. Categories can also be removed for sex, aspiration, sign, age and neighborhood as they are now part of the template but they will not sort properly without <code><nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:last name, first name}}</nowiki></code>, so that should be left on or added to the page.
# --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
# <onlyinclude>[[User:ArchieAndrewfan3001|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#4C7D7E;"><big>Archie</big></span>]] ''[[User talk:ArchieAndrewfan3001|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:#3EA99F;"><small>Andrew</small></span>]]'' [[Special:Contributions/ArchieAndrewfan3001|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:green;"><sub>fan</sub></span>]]</onlyinclude>
# [[User:Aurora Harmony|Aurora]] 04:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Petty773|Petty773]] 16:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:TamBams219|TamBams219]] 20:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:Random Ranaun|Random Ranaun]] 05:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
# --[[User:Auror Andrachome|Auror. plus the great Andrachome]] 04:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I've decided that I will agree
# --[[User:Walker guy94|Walker guy94]] ([[User_talk:Walker guy94|talk]]) 13:11, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:A.P. Freeman|Author]] 16:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC) I wanna see how it goes.
# Yay! More pages! [[User:Salemguy123|Salem. Guy. 123]] 21:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:Elfears|Elfears]] 21:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC) I would like that
* Hello. I'm an unregistered contributor! I'm not sure if I can vote but look at the facts. This wiki is very slow. Wikis like Avatar and Kingdom Hearts, have twice the many users we do. It's pretty sad. So I'm hoping that the merge will help us out. [[Special:Contributions/98.242.115.205|98.242.115.205]] 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


=== Neutral ===
Pages that may have problems: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Sim]]
# [[User:Dharden|Dharden]] 05:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


=== Disagree ===
[[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 22:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
# --[[User:Bleeh|Bleeh]] ([[w:c:Sims:User talk:Bleeh|talk]]) 03:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Bet I'll be the only one, but so be it. I definitely disagree with the option to merge, but hey, it's not my wiki anyways.
# --[[User:Sparrowsong|Sparrowsong]] 04:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
# -- [[User:Kiwi tea|Kiwi tea]] 09:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I know I'm new, and I can see the arguments in favour of this, but I see it making a mess. I have extensive Fanon for Riverblossom Hills. Now that would make things confusing! I'm sure I'm only one of hundreds like that.
# --<onlyinclude>'''[[UserDavidMC123:|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">David</span>]][[User talk:DavidMC123|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:black;">MC</span>]][[Special:Contributions/DavidMC123|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MC; color:blue;">123</span>]]'''</onlyinclude> 14:13 Saturday, May 01, 2010 (UTC) (I think that's the right time)I have made an image of pros and cons. [[:File:Pros_and_Cons_of_Merging_with_Fanon_Wiki.jpg|Here is the image.]]
# [[User:AGuyCalledJoe|AGuyCalledJoe]] 14:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC) It would make a complete mess, people will be confused and they will probably wont know if a sim is fanon or not this is the same as when there was a discussion with the SimCity games of the MySims besides this wiki is about The Sims Series not The Sims Fanon Series >.>
# [[User:Mischem6|Mischem6]] 00:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:Deftera|Deftera]] 18:17, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
# [[User:LostInRiverview|LostInRiverview]] 02:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC) While I personally agree with (or am at most neutral about) the idea of merging, I can see that quite a few people here are against the merge. Therefore, I'm voting against it, because I don't think we should go into something like this with a less than clear concensus, which I see we fail to have at the moment.
# [[User:Guffers|Guffers]] 13:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) It would get to complicated as people wouldn't bother to mark their stuff as CC. And anyway, does the Fanon Wiki want to merge?
# --[[User:Lewislew|Lewislew]] 16:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC) I disagree, it would just make this confusing and pointless!
# [[User:UBFunkaneer|UBFunkaneer]] 21:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC) On the Spore Wiki, there was more Fanon than Canon. The same'll happen here. And if someone accidentally made a sim with the same name as a future sim, they'd be yelled at vandalism they did not commit.
# I agree with Funkaneer. [[User:RaikuLuciferSamiyaza|RaikuLuciferSamiyaza]] 00:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


== Proposing New Sim Bio Template ==
== Fanon wiki merge vote results ==


Final count:
With the upcoming release of ''[[The Sims 3]]'' we need to be able to display a Sim's information from all three games. I have designed a [[:Category:Bio templates|series of templates]] and you can see them at work [[User:A_morris/3SimsBio|here]]. Please tell me what you think of them and any ideas you have for ''[[User:A morris/Simsbio3|The Sims 3'' template]]. Also, the way the templates are designed ''The Sims 3'' template can be able added under the [[Template:Sim|existing template]]. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 22:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Agree: 45%
:I love Example 1. Just a question for the Player Stories, where would that page direct? Something like [[Mortimer Goth/Player Stories]]? [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 05:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:Neutral: 5%
::Yes. Like how the current template is set up now. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 14:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:Disagree: 50%
:::Users are beginning to add information about characters in ''The Sims 3'' so I am going to implement these templates. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 04:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


As the majority did not agree with the merge, the two wikis will remain separate. --[[User:A_morris|a_morris]] <small>([[User_talk:A_morris|talk]])</small> 21:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
== help updating the [[cheats]] page ==


It was 12 agree and 12 disagree get the neutral to decide whether he agrees or disagrees and then make the desision
the sims 2 README has a list of most cheats; (the ones they intended players to use) however i do not know how to properly format the text. i also do not know what cheats they didn't include, other than the testing cheat (the one that activates shift click functions).

:I think it would be a good idea to create sub-pages for each game and expansion pack. It would keep the pages smaller and easier to navigate.

Layout
*H1: Cheat Mode
*H2: List of Cheats
*List pages to: The Sims, The Sims 2, University, etc., testingcheatsenabled, Tombstone of Life and Death
* On each page the cheats can be in a list instead of a table, with headings: "Build Cheats", "Gameplay Cheats", "Storytelling" Cheats", "Neighborhood Cheats", and "Miscellaneous Cheats".
[[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 05:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==Featured Article and Stories W/ pICS==
Hi, I know I am new but I think I have some ideas that you might like. First of all: um, can we please change the featured article? I've been frequenting the site since August and it's been up since then-perhaps longer. It probably looks like the site administrators aren't paying attention to the wiki. And that's a turn off. Well, to a lot of people. Also, I was thinking we could have a section of the wiki where ordinary users like me could post stories with pics. Sites like insimenator.net and magicbeanssims have things like that, I think you might know what I mean. They're sort of like blogs. But anyway, if you don't , check out insimenator.net and magicbeanssims.com. On these things people write stories about their neighborhoods, legacies and ceratain families or Sims. They put pictures from the pictures they take in their games a lot of the time. So I think it would be a good idea to put a section like this up. PS, sorry about the typos because my computer is really sloww and it takes a long time to rite som sometimes i add extra letters or putt hings in all caps or something. So, I am sorry. Still take this seriouusly. -donlothariomustDIE
:First, you are right, it is time to change the featured article. I will start a discussion to take suggestions. I would like to put a stop to your thinking that this is not an active wiki. If you look at the recent changes page you will see that I am on almost everyday, most likely several times a day. Second, players are able to post player stories of premade sims, and CAS sims already. If users like they can write stories of their sims, but I think users should use their user page or a sub-page for those. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 04:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

::i'm not saying ''i'' don't think it's an active wiki. I know it's an activ wiki, as II'm on the site a lot and see you editing things a lot. i'm just saying the people who might want to join might get turned off because if the featured article has been the same for a really long time they might say "oh, it's stagnant and not worth my time." That's all. :) [[User:donlothariomustDIE|--donlothariomustdie]] 04:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:::In the previous layout there wasn't a featured article so there was no need to edit it simply because there wasn't enough feature worthy articles to put in the feature article section every week. The same thing with the feature media, though I'm not sure if this has been changed in a while or not. Suggestions on which articles to use may help, maybe A morris wouldn't mind taking them and posting them maybe every other week or so?

:::Users are free to use their User Pages if they would like to post stories with pictures, I don't see the harm in that. But I don't think we should create a special page for it. However, I wouldn't mind telling users to post their Player Stories on the Premade Sim's talk page. [[User:Makiah|<font color="red">Makiah</font>]] [[User talk:Makiah|<small><font color="red">(talk)</font></small>]] 05:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

==Featured Article Suggestions ==
It's time to change the Featured Article and Featured Media on the main page. If you noticed a page that you thought was well-written an interesting suggest it here:
*i THINK THE ARTICLE ON mORTIMER gOTH is interesting
:It has been about a week, so [[Mortimer Goth]] gets to be the next Featured Article. Please keep the suggestions coming. [[User:A morris|-- a_morris]] 23:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==Featured Article Page?==
I've been on other wikis, and some of them have a 'voting page' for the featured article. The featured article doesn't get updated too much on this site, so maybe a featured article voting page would be a good idea? It's not necessary, just a suggestion. --[[User:KazeNoYouko|KazeNoYouko]] 13:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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Fanon wiki merge discussion[edit source]

Davidmc's take on the pros and cons of merging.

Ok, after you hear this, I know that some of you may think that I am crazy, but I think we should merge The Sims Fanon Wiki with The Sims Wiki. Hear me out, at the Avatar wiki, they have merged their fanon wiki with the main one. While this was initially a controversial move, they claim that it paid off, because their wiki has many more contributors and visitors, making it much more active. I think we should merge these two wikis because with The Sims 3: Ambitions coming out in June, we will need to make our wiki known to people, preferably before the release. Another reason is that I have noticed that the activity of the fanon wiki went down for a while. What better way to bring the activity back up than merge it with a more popular wiki? Thank you for listening to this and please tell me what you think. --Random Ranaun 03:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I hear your reasoning. I support the merging of the 2 wikis! Archie 03:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that would be a very good idea. I think because there would be loads more of vandalism, but I'm just an IP so what do I know? :) 74.216.88.170 03:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming there was a reason for creating a separate wiki for fanon. Has that reason gone away? Will it come back if the two are combined? If the two are combined, I'd think there would have to be some way to "mark" fanon as such. How will that be handled? I'm not categorically against a merger, but I'm also not sure it's all that great of an idea. Dharden 14:30, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

There were two reasons for creating a separate wiki. One Dharden mentioned, the need to mark or keep separate premade content from custom content. The second was whether an editor had the right to change something that someone else had written given that player stories are creative rather than encyclopedic. I had a brief discussion with a former admin. At the time I was pretty much the only one on, I didn't want to spend all my time fixing the spelling and grammar of everyone's story and decided to move the stories to subpages. At this point, I concede that merging might be a good idea. It would also make the discussion on what downloads and custom content should be included moot. --a_morris (talk) 03:05, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I do have my concerns about increased vandalism, but, it would seem good for the community. Author 03:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I personally believe the two wikis should stay divided. There must be a reason why they were made into 2 different wikis, after all! Bleeh (talk) 22:40, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to jump back onto this Wiki after being so inactive for so long to voice my opinion, but I actually don't think this is a bad idea. My reasoning: 1) If I remember correctly, fans do come here and do post fan material that then needs to be moved and/or deleted by admins. Merging the two wikis makes this no longer necessary, and encourages game fans to visit and enrich themselves in knowledge of the game while posting their own content. 2) Merging the two allows the new merged wiki to capitalize on the visitors to both, increasing the number of visitors, number of editors, and number of active members. 3) Merging the two makes it easier for a visitor to find information both on the game and on fan material in one location.

Additionally, even if the two were created intentionally separate, that's not necessarily a good enough reason to keep it that way. Just as there is no point in needless change, there is no point in maintaining the status quo if doing so is detrimental. It's up to the best judgment of the Admins and members here (and on the other wiki) to determine whether or not the status quo is detrimental or not - I hesitate to say that it is, though I still support their combination.

That's just my $0.02 though. LostInRiverview 23:31, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I actually never thought of those possibilities. Though, if users did add info about their own characters, there would need to be a way for other users to be able to distinguish whether or not it's a Sim that's made by Maxis. There would need to be a category, or something, which I'm sure most new-comers to the wiki wouldn't add, since Wikia is confusing enough. Bleeh (talk) 23:37, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm not saying it wouldn't be complicated. That's why it's important to determine whether the changes are needed or desired enough to justify upsetting the status quo. LostInRiverview 21:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
C'mon people! We need to vote! We've had 16 people vote, but, no results! Archie 23:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I will begin the official vote, according to our voting procedure, on May 1 and put an announcement on the main page. In the event of a tie, we will keep things the same, i.e. stay divided.

Should the "We combine" option prevail, it will be followed by a discussion/vote to determine how to add the new content and the merging will begin upon its conclusion and any maintenance tasks required (ex. creating templates, etc.) Any new content may be left until a decision is made. --a_morris (talk) 14:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

So then, if a user makes a page about a fanon Sim, we just let it stay in the wiki until the voting is over? Or would we move it to the user namespace? If it's the first, then how would we remember to move it to the user namespace if the wikis stay divided? Bleeh (talk) 20:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
No. After the first vote, if we are going to combine, only then will fanon pages be left as is until we decide how to deal with them. For now and if we decide to stay divided, fanon pages should be moved to the user namespace, as usual. --a_morris (talk) 23:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

FYI - TamBams219 has requested to adopt The Sims Fanon Wiki. This may have an impact on whether we will be allowed to merge the two wikis. --a_morris (talk) 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

  • At the present moment, I am mulling my thoughts over. I'm kind of thinking a merger would not be the worst thing. The Sims Wiki has a much more structured and, clean lay out. Of course given the time, I feel that I could equally make the Fanon Wiki just as efficent. Another plus, the fan fiction people make/compose would reach a wider audience if merged. It's a toguh decision... TamBams219 02:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm totally agains't it! Why did we make players stories after all?!AGuyCalledJoe 14:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
I can't see merging being a disaster, but I can see it being a damn pain without extremely well-laid guidelines, and possibly even with them. There needs to be more than just a category or two from fanon if the merger takes place, there needs to be clear signalling so that we can see from every link and every page whether it is fanon or Maxis/EA canon. Keeping the two separate but working out a clearer agreement or wider cross-culture some other way seems infinitely preferable. This place has potential. That (alongside the fact that I've been housebound a bit lately) are the reasons I've made so many edits here. This is already a premium site for canonical information about the Sims, and that's a great specialty that I'd like to help realise. Approach the likes of Delphy, and get more traffic flowing between this site and MTS. Get the pages really informative so that people know this is the place they can come to see a list of every lot in Sunset Valley, or a list of all the starters. Useful info like that made easily accessible. The site is already most of the way there. A fanon merger will only - I suspect - detract from the canon. People will be here for their own stories, and not for The Sims series so much. (Kiwi tea 17:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC))

Fanon wiki merge vote[edit source]

The Sims Wiki and The Sims Fanon Wiki should merge.

Voting is closed.

See also: The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Procedures and The Sims Wiki:Policy#Voting Requirements


Agree[edit source]

  1. --a_morris (talk) 00:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  2. Archie Andrew fan
  3. Aurora 04:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  4. Petty773 16:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  5. TamBams219 20:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  6. Random Ranaun 05:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
  7. --Auror. plus the great Andrachome 04:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I've decided that I will agree
  8. --Walker guy94 (talk) 13:11, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
  9. Author 16:20, May 8, 2010 (UTC) I wanna see how it goes.
  10. Yay! More pages! Salem. Guy. 123 21:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
  11. Elfears 21:56, May 11, 2010 (UTC) I would like that
  • Hello. I'm an unregistered contributor! I'm not sure if I can vote but look at the facts. This wiki is very slow. Wikis like Avatar and Kingdom Hearts, have twice the many users we do. It's pretty sad. So I'm hoping that the merge will help us out. 98.242.115.205 04:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral[edit source]

  1. Dharden 05:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Disagree[edit source]

  1. --Bleeh (talk) 03:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC) Bet I'll be the only one, but so be it. I definitely disagree with the option to merge, but hey, it's not my wiki anyways.
  2. --Sparrowsong 04:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  3. -- Kiwi tea 09:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC) I know I'm new, and I can see the arguments in favour of this, but I see it making a mess. I have extensive Fanon for Riverblossom Hills. Now that would make things confusing! I'm sure I'm only one of hundreds like that.
  4. --DavidMC123 14:13 Saturday, May 01, 2010 (UTC) (I think that's the right time)I have made an image of pros and cons. Here is the image.
  5. AGuyCalledJoe 14:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC) It would make a complete mess, people will be confused and they will probably wont know if a sim is fanon or not this is the same as when there was a discussion with the SimCity games of the MySims besides this wiki is about The Sims Series not The Sims Fanon Series >.>
  6. Mischem6 00:07, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Deftera 18:17, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
  8. LostInRiverview 02:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC) While I personally agree with (or am at most neutral about) the idea of merging, I can see that quite a few people here are against the merge. Therefore, I'm voting against it, because I don't think we should go into something like this with a less than clear concensus, which I see we fail to have at the moment.
  9. Guffers 13:23, May 8, 2010 (UTC) It would get to complicated as people wouldn't bother to mark their stuff as CC. And anyway, does the Fanon Wiki want to merge?
  10. --Lewislew 16:14, May 10, 2010 (UTC) I disagree, it would just make this confusing and pointless!
  11. UBFunkaneer 21:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC) On the Spore Wiki, there was more Fanon than Canon. The same'll happen here. And if someone accidentally made a sim with the same name as a future sim, they'd be yelled at vandalism they did not commit.
  12. I agree with Funkaneer. RaikuLuciferSamiyaza 00:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fanon wiki merge vote results[edit source]

Final count:

Agree: 45%
Neutral: 5%
Disagree: 50%

As the majority did not agree with the merge, the two wikis will remain separate. --a_morris (talk) 21:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

It was 12 agree and 12 disagree get the neutral to decide whether he agrees or disagrees and then make the desision